Terminator: SCC episode 2
POSTED BY: farfly
UPDATED: Monday, September 22, 2008 16:28
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I can't help but to feel that some Browncoats do not want the BDH's to succeed in anything. They want to remember "their" Summer as River, and River only. They've all moved on to bigger ( not better ) things. If you love them, you got to let them go. You don't have to support them, but then again you don't need to bash their shows either. I've talked to lots of folks at work and outside that NEVER saw Summer Glau in Firefly or Serenity...and they don't care. Now they love Summer Glau for the show she is on now. I would gather that applies to Nathan, Christina, and the others too. Try to muster up some support for her, but if you can't because you don't like the show, why complain about it here.
I think this is a very grey area for Browncoats that will (obviously) depend on each persons point of view regarding their favourite actor/actress from Firefly.
Using my own viewing preferences as an example I present this:
Summer: I will watch her in anything she is in. If it's a show I don't like then I will only watch the episodes she is in. I was already watching and enjoying The 4400 when she joined so that was a bonus. The only episodes of The Unit I have seen are hers. And I love T:TSCC. I was interested in it because of Summer and that it was Terminator stuff. But I think I would now carry on watching even if Summer wasn't in it (but they better not do that coz I won't be happy).
Nathan: I will try to catch most of his stuff. His appearance in Lost was a bonus as I was already a fan. I saw Waitress and Slither because he was in it and it, if he wasn't I don't think I would have bothered trying them out (although I did like both). But there is no way I will ever watch Desperate Housewives, even if he was on every week, I just couldn't do it.
Alan: Again I will try to catch most of his stuff, unless I know that it's a style of film I will not like (Dodgeball comes to mind). He, along with Adam, is the only one I recognized when FF aired and was already a bit of a fan.
Adam: Chuck is one of those shows that I will catch up with when I have more time to watch something in my already overfull TV schedule. I wouldn't go out of my way to watch something with him in (I tried The Posiedon Adventure and it sucked after Part 1 so I gave up).
Jewel: Big fan of SGA before she arrived so another bonus.
As for Gina, Ron and Sean if they turned up in something I was watching then great. But I wouldn't watch something just because they were in it. No offense to them or anything.
Having said that I genuinely wish them all the best and hope they find good work and I do want them all to succeed. And if they appear in anything I am watching or like then great.
But there's no way I can justify watching most (and certainly not all) of their shows/films as this would have to be at the expense of stuff that doesn't feature a BDH, whether their show is good or bad doesn't come into that part of it.
I'm sure that a lot of Browncoats have similar criteria for their fave person and they will continue to follow them. I too can be selfish when it comes to favourites. I don't always understand why people don't like the works of Kevin Smith, for example. I think he covers most of the comedic bases and is hilarious, but a mate of mine (who has very similar tastes to me) can't stand his stuff, yet he worships Adam Sandler, who I think is the unfunniest person on the planet (except for The Wedding Singer). But there we go.
I'll give up now sure in the knowledge that I haven't got all my points in there.
Hope it all makes sense!
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Originally posted by Zeek:
The whole plot of the episode was shoddy. How'd that guy in the future work? Did he come back from a future where the power plant was destroyed to tell them that it'd be really nice if they could have a major strategic power plant like in the future Reese is from? Or was he from the same future where they have the power plant yet he knew about some guy in the past who wouldn't even be a footnote in a news article? That whole plot point was dumb.
Obviously, Future-guy found out about Skynet sending metal back in time to replace key individuals, and risked a gunshot wound to make the one-way trip to pass this critical intel to Sarah/John/Derek's cell (which, for the most part, they already knew thanks to events last season).
The T-1001 is still the wild-card; she's obviously more advanced than the T-888s (which suggests she's from farther in the future than them), and we've seen no indications that anyone knows she's here.
And the demonstrated time-travel has thus far been limited. I'd speculate that the future timeline looks vaguely like this.
-Skynet creates its first time portal (Portal-1) and sends the T-801 to kill Sarah Connor.
-The resistance captures Portal-1 and John sends Kyle Reese back to protect Sarah (and father him).
-The resistance captures a T-801 and reprograms it into "Uncle Bob."
-John sends "Uncle Bob" back to 1995 to protect young-John.
(-Somehow, the resistance determines that the timeline has been changed [Judgement Day has been pushed back].)
-Portal-1 is destroyed. (At this point Derek Reese is still in the future, thinking that his brother is dead.)
(-Cameron's origin. Either captured from Skynet and reprogrammed, built by John, or arrived from farther in the future [explaining why that T-888 didn't recognize her]. Derek meets Cameron inside the resistance base.)
(-The resistance captures the nuclear power plant.)
-Skynet creates Portal-2, and starts sending T-888s into the past to ensure its own creation, alter the timeline to ensure a strategic advantage, and to hunt down John Connor. These units are custom-skinned to resemble known individuals who either contributed to Skynet's creation or were in useful situations.
-Future-guy discovers this, and jumps through Portal-2 (as the resistance captures it; still suffering from injuries sustained in the battle) in a desperate bid to warn past-John and Sarah.
-John then sends Derek Reese and his cell (and a few other trusted agents) back to plant the seeds of the resistance (set up weapons caches, recruit soldiers, prevent T-888s from influencing the past). Another squad goes back even further to set up the time-portal in the bank vault (which John knows he'll need, in order to save his mom).
-Something yet-to-be-revealed happens, prompting John to send Cameron back to 1995, either through Portal-2, or an as-yet-unrevealed Portal-3. (Derek didn't see Cameron sent back, which means she was still in the future when he left)
(-With Cameron in play, the timeline changes again, neatly avoiding the "T3-timeline," pushing back Judgement Day again, and altering John's age.)
-Skynet develops nanotech, and sends the T-1000 to kill John Connor in 1995.
-Skynet sends the T-1001 back in time to take charge of Skynet's creation.
(Speculation: -Post-human-extinction Skynet realizes that it needed John Connor alive, and sends a custom-designed "retro" Terminatrix [Cameron] back to protect John from itself [and to protect itself from John].)
-Skynet survives.
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
I really want to like TTSCC, but alas i'm not quite there. Its really just so... meh. Surely I can't be alone?
And has anyone else noticed Summers bottom looks a bit bigger these days? I'm not really trying to be crass, its just an observation.
I loved the first two movies, hated the third. This show feels much more like the Cameron movies, than the third ever did. I also like this version of John over the ones in the movies. I can see this guy growing into a leader. DIdn't see that as much in the actor's playing John in the movies.
Is the show perfect? No, but it's still better than most sci-fi on TV, and it hasn't jumped the shark (IMHO). It's a little early in the season to write this show off.
I LOVE CAMERON, and NO, Summer's bottom doesn't look bigger! Amazing? Yes! Bigger, uh no! And yes........that was crass, observation or not!
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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Hello,
I must be in the minority here.
I think the show started badly, with the first half of Season 1 being cringeworthy. But I have seen steady improvement since then, extending into Season 2, which I feel is really quite good and much better than the beginning of Season 1.
I'm sorry for those that aren't enjoying the show lately, especially since I've seen it as getting better, not worse.
--Anthony
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I have to admit that with these last two episodes, the series has been getting my attention. I wasn't too big a fan of the show. Was never really into Terminator to begin with, so I was only tuning in for Summer. But starting from the finale, the series has really started to pick up steam. The finale had that mind bending paradox moment, as well as that great moment of all the SWAT guys one by one going into the pool with Johnny Cash on the soundtrack.
And with the premiere, Cameron begging John for mercy was a seriously creepy moment as well as the big reveal at the end, which was just amazing.
And then for this episode, even though she was only in one scene, it was a joy to see Busy Phillips again. And then John bringing home a girl to the new house he's never been in was a rare tender moment for the series. And the joke of the little kids room was just perfect. And Cameron breaking the pool balls perfectly was also cool.
I dunno. I like the smaller moments than whether or not the series is following the rigid canon of the movies.But once HEROES is on, I'll be DVR'ing it.
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To LWaves:
Um, you forgot Morena entirely. Guess that tells us where she stands on your list. 
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Obviously, Future-guy found out about Skynet sending metal back in time to replace key individuals, and risked a gunshot wound to make the one-way trip to pass this critical intel to Sarah/John/Derek's cell (which, for the most part, they already knew thanks to events last season).
Even if he knew they sent a terminator back to impersonate that guy how did he know how many days they had to stop him? That implies they know the point in time that the future was altered which makes no sense because if the future was altered they'd have no idea that anything changed.
I think this terminator of the week thing is really cheapening the terminators themselves. Why should Cromartie be such a threat when they're taking out a terminator every other day like they're nothing?
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Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Obviously, Future-guy found out about Skynet sending metal back in time to replace key individuals, and risked a gunshot wound to make the one-way trip to pass this critical intel to Sarah/John/Derek's cell (which, for the most part, they already knew thanks to events last season).
Even if he knew they sent a terminator back to impersonate that guy how did he know how many days they had to stop him? That implies they know the point in time that the future was altered which makes no sense because if the future was altered they'd have no idea that anything changed.
Actually, all future-guy targeted was the day when the plant manager was replaced (he was a human as late as the day before; else Sarah would've noticed the missing scar before he was in the control room).
He couldn't have known that the Terminator would leap into action on his first day on the job (given how we've seen long-term infiltrations before).
As for how he knew that (and how he got his time/space entry coordinates), I'll agree that there's much about the post-apocalyptic timeframe (in terms of intel, technology, and Skynet's procedures) that we don't know. Hopefully, it'll be touched on in future episodes --can't expect them to infodump everything at once, it'd kill the narrative.
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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ok, got a semi-lively discussion going here, just wanna ask for any opinions on Terminator Salvation?
( the upcoming 4th movie, starring Christian Bale as John Connor, Set Post- Judgement Day. Currently slated for a late may '09 release)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/
www.terminatorsalvation.com
ok, nevermind. upon further reading of the IMDB boards, (though they have been wrong before), T:S, follows the T3 storyline, not T:TSCC.
Bollocks.
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Does it ever bother anyone else that Sarah is trying to stop something that ultimately results in the birth of John? If the robots don't take over John would never have asked the the guy who would be his father to go back in time to protect Sarah and in the end conceive John. If the robots don't take over in the future she would never even know about them. I kind of thought the last movie explained the inevitability of the whole thing. What does not make sense to me is that Sarah does not see that and spend her energy keeping John safe so he can fulfill his destiny. That at least makes a little sense because the robots want there to be no John and are trying to change history to eliminate him. Even in the future where machines inevitability take over John is the leader and hope for the human race. No John would definitely be good for them.
May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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