MY CURRENT FEELING ON THE CANDIDATES

FMF, your sig kills me. It reminds me of a song by Ray Wiley Hubbard - "Conversations With The Devil"

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I had a dream last night I was cast into Hell by a jealous God
The Devil walked up and said you don't need no lightning rod
It hardly ever rains down here I can't recall the last storm
You aint gonna need that leather jacket either - it gets kinda warm
There's one way in and there's no way out looks like you're to stay
The place is a mess, it's overcrowded, more are coming in everyday.

I said ah man, wait a minute there's gotta be something wrong
I aint a bad guy; I just write these little songs
I always pay my union dues and don't stay in the passing lane
And he said what about all that whiskey and cocaine
I said well yeah but that's no reason to throw me in Hell
'Cause I didn't use the cocaine to get high, I just liked the way it smelled.

He said come on over here son, let me show you around
Over there's where we put the preachers, I never liked those clowns
They're always blaming me for everything wrong under the sun
It aint harder to do what's right, it's just maybe not as much fun
Then they walk around thinking they're better than me and you
Then they get caught in a motel room doing what they said not to do.

Now the murderers and the rapists they go in this firey lake
As well as most of the politicians and the cops on the take
And all the mothers that wait to get to KMart to spank their kids
Instead of showing how to do what's right, they just hit 'em for what they did
And all the daddy's who run off and abandon their daughters and sons
Oh anybody that hurts a child is gonna burn until it's done.

Everybody is down here, I said - who's up in Heaven with God and the Son
Oh some saints and mystics and students of metaphysics 101
People who care and share and love and try to do what's right
Beautiful old souls who read little stories to their babies every night
What you won't find up in Heaven are christian coalition right wing conservatives
Country program directors and Nashville record executives.

Now I said I've made some mistakes, but I'm not as bad as those guys
How can God do this to me or can't she sympathize
He said you're wrong about God being cruel and mean
Oh God is the most loving thing that's never been seen
I said hotshot tell me this which religion is the truest
He said they're all about the same, Buddha was not a Christian, but Jesus
woulda made a good buddhist.

Well, I thought about my future I didn't seem to have much of one
I looked around to leave but there was no place to run
I said I don't suppose I could go back and try living again
You know like reincarnation I hear that's the way it's always been
I can't answer that he said you're gonna have to wait for that response
But it's not any more unusual to be born twice than it is to be born once.

Well, it looked like I was gonna be stuck here as far as I could tell
I thought I might as well suck up you know what the hell
I said you know that song that Charlie Daniels did
About how you went down to Georgia and played fiddle against that kid
He said yeah it broke my heart but you know what are you gonna do
I said to tell you the truth I thought your solo was the better of the two.

Well, then I woke up and I was lying in my bed
I went upstairs and kissed my little boy on his sleeping head
I took this dream as a sign from God so I thought I'd better pray
I said don't ever speak to me directly and thanks anyway
Now so much has changed about me besides me just giving up red meat
Some get spiritual cause they see the light and some cause they feel the heat...

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Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Future Mrs. Fillion, If you answered I missed it. What would responsible gun ownership and use look like?

Thanks,

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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AnthonyT, Kwicko answered so well that I will just say DITTO!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Hello,

FutureMrs.Fillion, I wish the whole Democratic party felt this way about common sense gun ownership. I'd probably be a Democrat tomorrow.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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In getting back to our feelings on the candidates, I suppose I should point out that the "no experience" Obama actually has at least as much (or more) experience as Abraham Lincoln had when he won the White House as the first Republican President.

Lincoln:
Illinois House of Representatives (1834-1842) - 8 years
United States House of Represnetatives (1847-1849) - 2 years

Obama:
Illinois Senate (January 1997 – November 2004) - 7.75 years
United States Senate (January 2005 - Present) - 3.5 years

So Obama has a little over a year more experience than did the beloved Lincoln, in roughly similar elected offices (except that Lincoln stuck to the House, and Obama stuck to the Senate).

A lack of experience in probably the toughest time in our nation's history didn't really seem to hamstring Lincoln, did it? Just another nobody from Illinois with a few flowery speeches, some time spent in the state legislature, and a single term as a U.S. Congressman.

I guess I just have to ask the Republicans one question: Why do y'all hate Lincoln so much?




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I guess I just have to ask the Republicans one question: Why do y'all hate Lincoln so much?

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I see. So you’re saying that under Obama we’ll end up in a 4-year civil war – the bloodiest, most destructive war in American history?

Hmmm. I’ll pass.


But on another note:

Although it is an interesting to note that Barack Obama, a candidate and likely contender for US presidency – and a “negro” – has the same experience as President Lincoln. I found that very enlightening? Granted it only took 200 years and a civil war, but damn we made it.

How ungrateful Obama is to the party that set in motion his presidency.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I guess I just have to ask the Republicans one question: Why do y'all hate Lincoln so much?

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I see. So you’re saying that under Obama we’ll end up in a 4-year civil war – the bloodiest, most destructive war in American history?

Hmmm. I’ll pass.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Hello,

According to at least one of the founding fathers, we are well overdue for another revolution.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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"The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."

Jefferson, on 11-13-1787, in a letter to William Stephens Smith, as a matter of fact.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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I see. So you’re saying that under Obama we’ll end up in a 4-year civil war – the bloodiest, most destructive war in American history?

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[sarcastic face "ON"]

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Just like you're saying that under McCain we'll end up in yet another endless war in the mideast, when he makes good on his promise to "bomb bomb bomb Iran". And we'll end up invading Pakistan, when he makes good on his promise to follow Bin Laden to the gates of hell.

Not that he'd ever actually keep any of his promises, of course. (Just ask his first wife!)

And in truth, another Civil War might do us a lot of good; the nation came out stronger and better for it after the last one. And we ARE well past due for it.

[sarcastic face "OFF"]




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Frem, you know under our current laws (things like the "Patriot" Act, which is a fucking cruel name to give to something so insidious and seditious), Jefferson is a terrorist. He'd be rendered and shipped off to Gitmo for torture - er, I mean "re-education" - and every word he ever wrote or uttered would be redacted in the name of our "freedoms".

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Shit Mikey, no bones about it, many of our founding fathers and builders of this country WERE terrorists, and right damn good at it too!

We wanted the fucking british out, and we gave em what the Iraqis are givin us, every chance we could - and I ain't talkin continental army, I am talkin straight up, downright guerillas.

Like Francis Marion, whom the british despised so badly they set that evil little fuck Tarleton on him, or the Over The Mountain Men, who for no particular reason other than the british were pissin em off, decided to kick them the hell offa Kings Mountain and right back into the atlantic, but destroyed them so utterly there wasn't any need to chase em no more.

That battle proved that ordinary citizens, the militia, if you wanna put it so...
If comparably armed, can stand to and kick the shit out of regular army folk when they mean to do so.

And THAT, is part and parcel of why the second amendment is written that way and so important, Madison went on at length about how since the population was armed AS WELL OR BETTER THAN, any standing army that could be raised, no one could force their will upon the people, so long as that were true.

And the moment it wasn't, was when things started goin south, you might have noticed, if you know your history well enough.

Not all of our founding fathers were decent men though, or even honest - look at Adams and the Alien and Sedition acts, what you might call the prototype for the Patriot Act....

And hell, there was Lincoln, a monster every bit as vile as Stalin, Lenin, or Adolph, only he won by burying his foes in the bodies of his own, till they just ran out of men down there, sad fact that it is, and decades of bullshit to cover up the crimes is only even NOW finally coming unravelled.

There have ALWAYS been these people within our Government, and probably always will be till we evolve ourselves socially, mentally and emotionally enough to stop producing them.

Thing is, without cowardly little shits collaborating and enabling them, they're just one more loudmouth pissant, no threat to anyone but themselves.

Which is why I take an awful dim fucking view of folk who unthinkingly and fearfully support this shit... without the compliance of collaborators, informants, and those willing to fuck over their fellow man for folks who secretly hold them in contempt, a police state lacks the necessary human "machinery" to make it function.

Look how prohibition died ?

No one obeyed it, rats were despised instead of selling tell-all books on Oprah, cops looked the other way, juries refused to convict - in short, nobody played ball, yes ?

Sure, some did, but not enough to matter.

All we have to do is not cooperate, but frankly, the american population is a buncha meekly compliant cowards who've been trained that way, kept that way, by a social system fully designed to produce that exact end result.

And THAT, Mikey, is why I assault it every chance I get, from any angle I can - but it ain't gonna be enough.

Whether the rest of em get pissed enough to throw off the chains, or bow their head and yessa massa some more, will determine the fate of us all.

And my only consolation to it is gettin to watch THEM sink first, all the while protesting what good (suckers) servants they have been to the powers that be as they go swirling down the drain.

Cause they done tied that boat anchors chain around MY ankles too.

I got a pretty good idea how things are gonna go, regardless of who wins, and that's why I look at my fellow humans with bitterness and animosity.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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