MY CURRENT FEELING ON THE CANDIDATES
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 20:03
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What would responsible gun ownership and use look like?
Not buying illegal or illegally-modifed weapons from unscrupulous individuals.
Having proper training in gun use and safety.
Shooting at gun ranges. NOT shooting at road signs. :)
Keeping guns and ammo out of the hands of kids, at least without proper adult supervision.
Not drinking and shooting. Not doing drugs and shooting.
Not waving your guns around at a party.
Most of this is common-sense stuff. Do you ever wonder why they call it "common sense" when it seems so damn rare?
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
Again, there is that whole "LOVE" thing!
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In 1996 Obama filled out a candidate questionnaire in which he indicated full-throated support for a ban on 'The manufacture, sale and possession of handguns'".
So what? I fully and completely support a woman's right to have an abortion - doesn't mean I would have one.
Let's see if I'm understanding you correctly. You and Obama what to ban all handguns, but you won't do it because you want women to be able to use handguns for abortions?
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Originally posted by Kirkules:Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In 1996 Obama filled out a candidate questionnaire in which he indicated full-throated support for a ban on 'The manufacture, sale and possession of handguns'".
So what? I fully and completely support a woman's right to have an abortion - doesn't mean I would have one.
Let's see if I'm understanding you correctly. You and Obama what to ban all handguns, but you won't do it because you want women to be able to use handguns for abortions?
I could respond with a serious and well thought out response, but this time I will just say stop trying in your obtuse way to put words in my mouth or a spin that does not exist on what I say.
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I will just say stop trying in your obtuse way to put words in my mouth
That's the second time you've called me obtuse. What is this strange obsession you have with angles between 90 and 180 degrees. I would prefer you call me acute if you have to use your angle references.
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I'm more oblong.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by Kirkules:Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I will just say stop trying in your obtuse way to put words in my mouth
That's the second time you've called me obtuse. What is this strange obsession you have with angles between 90 and 180 degrees. I would prefer you call me acute if you have to use your angle references.
Please refer to #2 a and b
ob·tuse
Pronunciation: \äb-ˈtüs, əb-, -ˈtyüs\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): ob·tus·er; ob·tus·est
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obtusus blunt, dull, from past participle of obtundere to beat against, blunt, from ob- against + tundere to beat — more at ob-, contusion
Date: 15th century
1 a: not pointed or acute : blunt b (1)of an angle : exceeding 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees (2): having an obtuse angle
2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi
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Hello,
Future Mrs. Fillion, If you answered I missed it. What would responsible gun ownership and use look like?
Thanks,
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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"In 1996 Obama filled out a candidate questionnaire in which he indicated full-throated support for a ban on 'The manufacture, sale and possession of handguns'".
In 1999 while running for the US house seat he called for a "500 percent increase in taxes on firearms and ammunition.".
In 2003 Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois Senate which was a ban on "assault rifles".
Thank you for that.
Now, has he actually AUTHORED or SPONSORED any such legislation? Because McCain clearly has.
I think what you have to start getting your head around is that, like it or not, there ARE going to be changes coming, and there WILL be challenges to the Second Amendment. I - naively perhaps, given the recent history of the current regime - still hold out some hope that there won't be radical changes, and that the Supreme Court will continue to hold the 2nd as a viable and living Amendment. It CAN be done away with completely, but only through another Constitutional Amendment, which I think the odds of are really quite slim.
I think that the Fourth Amendment is clearly under much more attack than the Second at this time - and if the alphabet agencies can come into my house and rummage through my stuff at any time, and for any reason they want to, then what good does it do me to have legally owned guns?
Just throwing that idea out there for debate... You may find my positions on the Fourth as a bit extreme, but I find people who constantly cry that "They're gonna take our guns!" to be at least as over-the-top.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
MCCAIN -
Positives: Has stated vocal support for my 2nd ammendment rights.
I'm a one issue voter when it comes to the Second Amendment. If a person doesn't believe in protecting my Constitutional rights, they are disqualified as far as I'm concerned.
"Barack Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment"
1. Ban use of firearms for home defense.
2. Pass Federal laws eliminating your Right -to Carry.
3. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
4. Close down 90% of the gun shops in America.
5. Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.
6. Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500%
7. RESTORE VOTING RIGHTS FOR FIVE MILLION CRIMINALS INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF USING A GUN TO COMMIT A VIOLENT CRIME.
8. Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.
9. Mandate a government issued license to purchase a firearm.
10. Appoint judges to the U. S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who share his views on the Second Amendment.
I don't own a firearm, yet. I believe wholeheartedly in the 2nd amendment and the right to defend ourselves against our government. When someone takes so many steps to remove that right, it's clear they are on the wrong side. When you feel like it's time to bury the guns, it's time to dig them up.
"1. Ban use of firearms for home defense."
Umm..I believe in people being able to defend themselves and their loved ones. Making self defense illegal seems to fall on the "wrong" side of things to me. I know it's cliche, but "when owning firearms is outlawed, only outlaws will own firearms." People who shoot someone breaking into their home should not be considered criminals,(more like heroes) just as victims of assault shouldn't be charged if they fight back. (really, should a victim of rape be charged with assault when they lift that knee into the groin?) I'm bored with the law supporting those who break it, and Americans supporting those who want us dead.
"2. Pass Federal laws eliminating your Right -to Carry."
Again, don't carry....yet, but I'd sooner support a federal law that mandates carrying. Who would try to rob a bank/convenience store if they KNEW everyone inside was packing?
"3. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." Fear much?
"4. Close down 90% of the gun shops in America." see #3
"5. Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting." Again, Don't own yet, but I will if the pussifist are elected. I don't support hunting for sport or pleasure, But I do think those who are experienced in it, will be the only ones eating well when an apocalypse comes.
"6. Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500%" NO! Go ahead a legalize marijuana and then increase the Twinkie tax. Junk food tax! Cookies, Twinkies, Cheetos etc. Also... drug test when ya vote. Positive for drugs? vote thrown out. Do you really want people who aren't thinking clearly deciding how the country will be run for the next 4 years? Drunk drivers decide traffic laws?
"7. RESTORE VOTING RIGHTS FOR FIVE MILLION CRIMINALS INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF USING A GUN TO COMMIT A VIOLENT CRIME.
" Only someone who believed they would get the support of these violent criminals would support this. You really want the country run by someone that gets the support of murderers and rapists?
"8. Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms."
I get wanting to remove powerful firearms from the criminals, but again, making them illegal puts them only in the hands of those who break the law. And the Clintons should have been executed for treason. http://books.google.com/books?id=hfnIDFNEXR0C&dq=Dereliction+of+duty&p
g=PP1&ots=95YzqIReze&sig=Fw7h96vOEh-m8lLiGDQGOOqbodQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA7,M1
"9. Mandate a government issued license to purchase a firearm." huh? really
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Anthony....You are not being honest. How can you possibly say that Obama & Palin have similar "inexperience." I guess you don't know that Sarah Palin has been a Governor, the most popular Governor in America (80% approval) for 2 years, and previously a Mayor for 10 year. That's 12 years of Executive experience. Does Obama have one minute of Executive experence? Huh? Nada, Zilch.
And foreign policy experence...well lets' see...Obama never held one meeting in committee in the Senate on any Foreign Affairs issue...nothing. Sarah Palin makes Executive decisions every day, balanced budgets, created budget surplusses, has a span of control of 150,000 state workers, visited her National Guard troops in Iraq & Afghanistan. She oversees the Prison system in Alaska too. Add up everything Obama & Biden ever did in their entire lives and it doesn't even come close to just Palin's resume. Then consider McCain's experience. Obama is totally not worthy. He's the least qualified person to ever run for President. Palin & McCain are experienced leaders with a track record of accomplishments. There is no comparison, none, if you can see it objectively. Most here can't and won't, maybe you can. In the big picture it doesn't matter what is written here. The imporatant thing is that all of America is getting it now. Palin has energized not only Republicans, but working families and single working women. She is the perfect role model for women. The tidal wave of admiration and affection for Palin is phenominal. A woman who can do it all; govern with strength, raise a family, and not be afraid of any man. New polls have McCain ahead of Obama by 4 points, out of the statistical error factor for the first time....McCain is pulling away. He will never trail again. Also, I wouldn't think that a fair-minded person could justify the horrible sexist attacks against Sarah Palin and her family. But I always underestimate the vileness of the hard-core demented Left. You feel good about those attacks? Enjoy them now; every new one just makes Sarah Palin more popular.
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