The role of pyschopathy in modern society.
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
So even though all human ancestor are Apes, humans aren't Apes? Even though all bird ancestors are dinosaurs, their not dinosaurs?
We all evolved from single celled micro-organisms if you go back far enough. Are you a Paramecium?
Yes biologically I am, since I contain 99.999% of the genetic material of a Paramecium. When T-Rex went extinct, Dinosaurs did'nt become extinct. If Sparrows become the last surviving birds on Earth,Dinosaurs won't be extinct. When the last bird on Earth dies, Dinosaurs become extinct.
Edit: I do concede that even if Neanderthal interbred with modern humans, they are extinct. Just not a genetic dead end.
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Citizen
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I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have missed a couple of Vikings running around Greenland.
Fremdfirma
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They do tend to stand out, don't they ?
Boy do they ever!
Wild Vikings to be deported
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2007/08/31/vikings-deport.html
Canadian immigration officials decided Thursday to deport two members of the Norwegian Wild Vikings, after their captain admitted to hiding a crew member from RCMP in two Nunavut communities.
Wild Vikings captain Jarle Andhoy and fellow adventurer Jeffrey Kane were ordered deported by Immigration Canada officials at a hearing Thursday in Cambridge Bay, Nunavut.
Wild Vikings captain Jarle Andhoy, who appeared at an immigration hearing Thursday in Cambridge Bay, Nunavut, said he didn't feel he had to register his crew with officials.
The Wild Vikings — a five-man crew best known for their wild antics at sea, as documented on Norwegian television — had been trying to sail through the Northwest Passage on Andhoy's sailboat, the Beserk II.
RCMP arrested them in the western Nunavut hamlet on Aug. 24 while disembarking the Beserk II, after they failed to register their presence in Cambridge Bay and Gjoa Haven.
But Andhoy, 29, told CBC News Thursday that he did not feel they had to register.
"We are not here to visit Canada. We are here to do a transit to the Pacific," Andhoy said. "We're sailing the Northwest Passage and as far as I'm concerned the Northwest Passage is international."
An immigration official at Thursday's hearing concluded that Andhoy had misled RCMP in Nunavut about his crew, as he was hiding a member who had been ordered deported when the Wild Vikings stopped in Halifax earlier this year.
Canadian officials had found that crew member, along with another, to be a Norwegian associate of the Hells Angels motorcycle gang.
Andhoy then sailed to Greenland, where he picked up the deported crew member and began sailing through the Northwest Passage. Andhoy admitted that he dropped off the illegal member on land before arriving at Gjoa Haven and Cambridge Bay.
"I wanted to avoid a confrontation," he said. "That didn't really work out."
But Kane, who plans to fly back to his home in the U.S., said Andhoy should have registered the Wild Vikings crew with immigration officials.
"I think it was a major error on the captain's part," Kane said. "I'm a captain myself and I do not make those mistakes."
The remaining three crew members are scheduled to appear at immigration hearings Friday in Cambridge Bay.
Immigration officials say Andhoy also did not disclose an illegal handgun to police. An official with the Canada Border Services Agency says criminal charges are pending.
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As an afterthought, being hassled, shaken down, poked at and spied upon when you're just passing through like that... hell they did everything but smack em with extortive tolls, or at least it's not mentioned in the story here.
I can see a certain justification for town-sacking, you ask me.
I can just see it, too.
"ARRGGH!!!, that's IT - enuff of this shite, boys!... SACK THE PLACE!"
Wouldn't blame em a lot, neither.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:You need to check your numbers REALLY badly. Humans and micro-organisms are entirely different species, birds and Dinosaurs aren't the same species. Just because they may have evolved from Dinosaurs, doesn't mean they're the same species. If your proposal had any weight there could be no extinction of species. There is.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Yes biologically I am, since I contain 99.999% of the genetic material of a Paramecium.
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
When T-Rex went extinct, Dinosaurs did'nt become extinct. If Sparrows become the last surviving birds on Earth,Dinosaurs won't be extinct. When the last bird on Earth dies, Dinosaurs become extinct.
*Sigh*
Even if Birds evolved from Dinosaurs, Birds AREN'T dinosaurs, and there are no members of the Dinosaurs species left alive. They're extinct.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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So, one could certainly make up their own definitions for words like "species", but if one was interested in using them in discourse with others, it's just going to work better if one learns the generally accepted definition of the word.
Species: (Biology) the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
If you don't agree, take it up with dictionary.com. Otherwise, note that a T Rex and a sparrow could never have little lizard-bird-babies of their very own, nor could a human and a parameceum make little humaceum blobs. They are, by definition, not the same species.
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So, one could certainly make up their own definitions for words like "species", but if one was interested in using them in discourse with others, it's just going to work better if one learns the generally accepted definition of the word.
Species: (Biology) the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
If you don't agree, take it up with dictionary.com. Otherwise, note that a T Rex and a sparrow could never have little lizard-bird-babies of their very own, nor could a human and a parameceum make little humaceum blobs. They are, by definition, not the same species.
Pretty much what I said earlier:
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Beyond that the definition for a species is the ability to breed and produce viable fertile offspring.
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Small technical quibble here, and a question, but why is it that we don't consider alligators, crocodiles, and gavials to be dinosaurs? Or turtles and tortoises, for that matter? We're told they haven't evolved for 65-75 million years, which should put them squarely in the age of the dinosaurs... And I could see a salt-water croc being able to produce offspring with a croc from 75 million years ago.
Just wondering.
Mike
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Small technical quibble here, and a question, but why is it that we don't consider alligators, crocodiles, and gavials to be dinosaurs? Or turtles and tortoises, for that matter? We're told they haven't evolved for 65-75 million years, which should put them squarely in the age of the dinosaurs... And I could see a salt-water croc being able to produce offspring with a croc from 75 million years ago.
Just wondering.
Tortoises are of the class Reptilia, where as Dinosaurs are of the class Sauropsida. Crocodiles are pretty similar to Dinosaurs, and they're a member of Sauropsida, though their order Crocodilia isn't considered Dinosaur.
Dinosaurs did have a fairly major characteristic though, which was a straight legged posture more like how mammals hold their weight. Crocodiles are like modern day reptiles, where the legs sprawl out either side of the body.
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Quote:Yeah, sorry. It just didn't seem to take, so I thought a repeat might help.
Originally posted by citizen:
Pretty much what I said earlier
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Originally posted by swish:
Yeah, sorry. It just didn't seem to take, so I thought a repeat might help.
No apology required, I just thought I'd repeat myself for prosperity
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Originally posted by swish:
So, one could certainly make up their own definitions for words like "species", but if one was interested in using them in discourse with others, it's just going to work better if one learns the generally accepted definition of the word.
Species: (Biology) the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
If you don't agree, take it up with dictionary.com. Otherwise, note that a T Rex and a sparrow could never have little lizard-bird-babies of their very own, nor could a human and a parameceum make little humaceum blobs. They are, by definition, not the same species.
The classifications are defined somewhat by who is making the list of species. Many don't include Birds as Dinosaurs after Arceopteryx because there are so many birds extinct and still alive that the few(700-800) dinosaur genus known would be just a minute portion of the list. One of the problems we are haveing here is that Dinosaurs are not known by their species, but their genus, Tyrannosaur is the genus, Rex is the species. If all dinosaurs were the same species then they could interbreed. Because almost nothing is known about their genetics, it's almost impossible to determine what species a particular dinosaur belonged to, other than by common appearance. If you want to cut off your list of Dinosaurs so feathered genus after Arceopteryx are not included, then yes all genus of Dinosaurs are extinct. The only problem I see with this is that Dinosaurs did not become extinct when Archeopterex emerged, so it's just an arbitrary point in the evolution of Dinosaurs. By doing so you are assuming all other genus of Dinosaurs did become extinct. If we conclusively knew that all modern bird were descended from genus Archyopteryx then I would have no problem saying all Dinosaurs are extinct and calling a Sparrow, Archyopteryx-Sparrow. The problem I see with that is, a few year form now we might discover that Archyopteryx was just another dead end Dinosaur genus and that modern birds are actually descended from a Dinosaur genus that emerged a million years after Arceopteryx.
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