Is Jesse Ventura right?
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Quote:Conviction and determination count for a lot IMO.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
It is hard for me to believe that people with only simulator experience could do it.
And if your husband couldn't hit a Tower, how does he land a plane? Like Mal said, use your eyes. They trained for flight only- it's pretty easy to get good at just one aspect of flying quickly if you're dedicated.
Just sayinisall
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"No, it's not easier than I think?"
Maybe you could try some simulator experience. Or, failing that, there are computer programs that do that. In one program that some people I know got for fits and giggles, I was able to land a jet fighter on a carrier after only a dozen or so tries. Yeah, maybe I was slow on the uptake, but I didn't read the directions either, just kind of went with it. Imagine if I had had actual training. And on-screen crashes are easy enough to walk away from and try again. 
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Quote:Actually, there was a lot more in my post besides that. That's what I mean by ignoring answers you don't like. All these 911 conspiracies are basically confirmation bias raised to the level of an art form.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
I've read your post over and over again. I didn't respond because I don't know what to say. You say, "Yes, they are designed to fall that way." I can say, "No, they're not designed to fall at all." Seems like a waste of time just to say, "I disagree."
As for not being designed to fall that way, you can 'disagree' all you like, but that doesn't mean we're just swapping opinion. It's certainly desirable for you to characterise it that way. It's not my opinion that they're designed to fall in their foot print. My opinion is that the official theory is better than the conspiracy hypothesis, I base this opinion on facts, facts like modern buildings being designed in such a way as to be predisposed to fall within their own foot print.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I think it's been well documented the Saudi terrorists trained on flight simulators to learn how to fly and steer the jets.
When the jets hit they were not going anywhere near 500 mph. I ( and a billion others ) saw the 2nd plane hit...looked like it was going pretty slow after it made its' big looping curve around to get into position to hit the 2nd tower.
The alleged Saudi "suicide" hijackers were trained as jet pilots at US military bases, granted visas by CIA, employed as pilots by Saudi Airlines and Saudi Air Force, and are still alive giving interviews to BBC News. No hijackers were listed on any passengers lists on 9/11. No video showed any hijackers boarding any airliners on 9/11. No video shows any airliner hitting the Pentagon on 9/11. Bin Laden denied any involvement in 9/11, and has never been indicted for that crime. Even Dick Cheney admits Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. The Bin Laden family was dining with their lifelong business partner Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire in Washington DC on 9/11/2001. Bush Sr's secretary of state James Baker is now the Saudis' defense lawyer, since the 9/11 families are suing Bush's Carlyle Group for 9/11. Baker told Saddam to go ahead and invade Kuwait, 2 weeks before he invaded Kuwait.
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The WTC bombers connecting the safety links on the detonation cord were probably killed when the first tower "prematurely" exploded by remote control. Dead men tell no tales.
BTW, Dr Ron Paul got 15% of the vote yesterday in Pennsylvania. He wants a REAL investigation of 9/11, whether he works in Congress or the White House.
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Quote:So what does that really mean- that they wore IMF masks?
Originally posted by piratenews:
No video showed any hijackers boarding any airliners on 9/11.
Not getting it Chrisisall
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Quote:That's probably because it has nothing to do with the collapse of the towers.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
It is not one answered by the official story. They sort of just ignored it.
Quote:You flatly stated they had no flying experience, when they did. Not just in simulators, but in planes as well. You expect a serious long winded answer to something that's fabrication. I'm sure your going to shout "are you calling me a liar" or something, but seriously, its a matter of record that they had flight experience, and you should have come across that in any proper research. Sorry for my flippant response, but I find it hard to take something like that seriously.
See, this is why it is hard for me to answer your posts, Cit. What can I say to that? No, it's not easier than I think? You make general opinion statements--how do you counter general opinions not backed by anything? I just got to let it go, you know?
As for what your husband said, has he tried? Because I've seen pilots fly planes through smaller targets than the trade centres at high speed. It can be done.
And yeah, it's my opinion that, its also my opinion that I could do it if I wanted too.
Quote:Well, to be blunt that's all you've given us. You flatly made a statement that they had no flight experience, which we know they did. You flatly made a statement that it's difficult, you've made a big thing about how you don't have to respond to statements like that, why hold me to a higher standard?
And simply telling me "no, it's easy" isn't what I call a convincing argument.
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The understanding I got was that with a more traditional foundation support structure the first few floors of the towers would had to have been (virtually) warrens of small hallways carved in massive foundations. Not wanting to lose real-estate they opted for the wall/floor support structure.
Perhaps other (modern) buildings fall in their own footprint b/c they too use the wall/floor support system for the same reasons. Or is that feature built-in in some other way irregardless of structure type ?
If you could reply to this I'd appreciate it.
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Quote:High speed can seem pretty slow when you're watching it at a distance:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
You know, I wondered about that. Does anyone have any good info on just how fast those planes were going when they impacted the towers?
Cause in videos, they looked pretty slow to me too. But when I read about it, people say 500 mph.
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The government's calculations put the speed of the first plane at 494 mph, and the second at 586 mph. The MIT analysis determined the first plane was traveling 429 mph, and the second 537 mph, The Times said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/25/attack/main501989.shtml
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The speed of the 767 in the
second impact has been measured at 500-590 m.p.h.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So what does that really mean- that they wore IMF masks?
Originally posted by piratenews:
No video showed any hijackers boarding any airliners on 9/11.
No "suicide hijackers" boarded the "hijacked" airliners on 9/11.
Pentagon's Operation Northwoods explains why:
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"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of TERRORISM within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba", May 1, 2001
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"We could develop a Communist Cuba TERROR campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal."
—General Lyman Lemnitzer, Jewish Zionist chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara, Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962
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Quote:I'm not sure what you're asking? Buildings collapse into their own footprint largely for the reasons Fletch gave, but people often make the mistake of thinking of buildings as one large piece. A single large block won't collapse in its own foot print, a stone monolith can't, it has to topple over. People seem to make the mistake that a building is the same, that it's one big block that has to topple over, when in reality they're huge systems comprised of thousands of small parts.
Originally posted by rue:
The understanding I got was that with a more traditional foundation support structure the first few floors of the towers would had to have been (virtually) warrens of small hallways carved in massive foundations. Not wanting to lose real-estate they opted for the wall/floor support structure.
Perhaps other (modern) buildings fall in their own footprint b/c they too use the wall/floor support system for the same reasons. Or is that feature built-in in some other way irregardless of structure type ?/B]
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