Did Summer's new show just become defunct??

POSTED BY: Bringitback
UPDATED: Monday, March 10, 2008 21:42
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BRINGITBACK

Tuesday, March 4, 2008 11:44 PM

I read yesterday that Terminator 4 has been green lighted with Christian Bale to play John Connor in the future war after D-Day.

Now hang on just a second...

At the end of T3 we find out that D-Day is 'inevitable' and the Terminators mission was to have them survive.

But in the TV show... They go forward a few years because they want to have another crack at killing off skynet. Making the 3rd movie completely defunct.

Now please dont tell me they have just made the 3rd movie defunct only to have the exact same ending???

I also read that the TV show will give links into the fourth movie...

So their mission, which they changed an entire franchise for, is bound for failure?

Did they know this going into production of the show??

I will ofcourse keep watching, because I enjoy the show (not to mention Summer) but does anyone else here see a problem??

Anyone???

STRANGEBIRD

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:10 AM

It does seem a bit heavy handed. But it's Hollywood. If it makes sense it's obviously not coming outta there.

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TRAVELER

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:10 AM

I try not to mix TV and movies. They go their own way. It is Hollywood and they will change, distort and twist plots to their own desires.

They even mess with the Bible. So they are their own law and we are pawns that either are fortunate enough to see a well crafted film or see something that is a waste of celluloid.

So if the TV show and the movie series don't match it will not be a surprise to me.

We were lucky that Joss was given the task of producing the Serenity movie. Who knows what another team would have done with Mal and his crew.

That does not mean the next Terminator movie will be bad. It may be set at a time before the third movie. Maybe an alternate outcome. But the third movie stands pretty firm as to what happened to the world. The machine wins the first blow but man holds on. That is the premise. I don't know any of the details of this new movie. Will their be time travel again or will we actually see the battle between man and machine after the holocaust. I think that would be a great direction to take it. It is time to defeat this machine and not just keep killing off its cyborg hit men.

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FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:26 AM

First off:

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Originally posted by traveler:
They even mess with the Bible.

So does everyone else, especially the church.

But back to the original post, SCC is not guaranteed continuation but it's not dead (unless I missed an announcement). T4 will probably be unrelated to the TV show, they can certainly do both especially considering the time travel aspect.

STORYMARK

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:43 AM

I don't have a link, since it's been a couple months since I read it, but the head writer on the show is also one of the producers on T4, and he said that though they will make nods to the 3rd (addressing Sarah's cancer) and 4th (assuming they get picked up again) movies, the TV series is a seperate timeline from the post-Cameron(James not Summer)movies.

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MICJWELCH

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:47 AM

Yeah, they're calling it an "alternate timeline."

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TRAVELER

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
First off:

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Originally posted by traveler:
They even mess with the Bible.

So does everyone else, especially the church.

Have to agree with you on that one.

I was actually thinking what Hollywood did with Soloman. In the movie with Yul Brynner, Hollywood had Soloman fighting a war with Egypt. Never happened. So any book is fair play.
Even remakes are different. I saw the 1950 version of 3:10 to Yuma and the latest one. If it wasn't for the title of the movie I would never had guessed they were related.

I was just over in the "Other Science Fiction" discussion forum. I guess Hollywood really did a number on Starship Troopers. I will have to read these books to see what everyone is talking about. This is just another example of Hollywood doing their own thing. I go to movies more often with an open mind. I have seen to many movies jog away from the original book that I actually expect now.

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FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 1:03 AM

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Originally posted by traveler:
I was just over in the "Other Science Fiction" discussion forum. I guess Hollywood really did a number on Starship Troopers. I will have to read these books to see what everyone is talking about.

Definitely, the book is awesome and way better then the movie.

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This is just another example of Hollywood doing their own thing. I go to movies more often with an open mind. I have seen to many movies jog away from the original book that I actually expect now.

*cough*V for Vendetta*cough* though in that case I think it's more of a sideways move, different but still really good.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 7:00 AM

I don't see a conflict, although several here seem to be arguing there is one.
Another offered that T4 and TTSCC are "alternate timelines" - I don't know that to be the case, haven't heard that elsewhere, but it may be what they are doing, however it is not required.

T3 can proclaim what it wants, but the end of that movie is the end of that defined storyline, just as the end of T2 was the end of it's defined storyline, to be left to T3 to pick up where it wants. What happens after T3 is up to the story of the subsequent installments.

T2 follows Terminator. T2 defines how the timeline was changed from the story of Terminator. The ultimate goal of each of the installments is to permanently change the timeline so that Skynet does not take over, and thereby never creates a Terminator, deleting the events we already saw in Terminator.
T3 follows T2. Again the timeline has been changed by the reverse-time travel and the unfolding events, and previous attempts to pre-empt Skynet's empowerment have failed, and the future has again sent back in time a potential answer.
T3 ends with the ascension of Skynet.
TTSCC follows T3, where the future has again sent back in time a potential solution.
T4 takes place after T3 and "before" TTSCC - in sequence. This time period after T3 but before the future sends back Cameron has not been fully explored - and apparenlty T4 will do just that.
T4 is not pre-empting TTSCC, the future as possibly portrayed in T4 must occur in order for TTSCC to occur after they send Cameron (and the others helping Cameron) back in time.

I don't see a conflict. So far.

Each new installment creates a new "future" from now until 20-30 years when another attempt must be made the retro-correct our time (except Terminator-T2, that intervening period didn't seem to change). In T3 Ahnold informed us that John Connor was dead - did he state when John died, or which year he was sent back from? Whatever that time was, from now (or the end of T3) until that time can still be explored without interfering with existing storyline.
However, TTSCC does likely follow the period of exploration available to T4, T5, T6, etc. and therefore it is TTSCC that can pre-empt and make defunct any T4, T5 etc storyline by stating that something did or did not happen in Cameron's past (or the past of her makers, which would be in her files), which is still in the future of the T3 ending. We do not know what future TTSCC holds, and T4 is not likely to explore the future of TTSCC, but the future of the T3 ending, which eventually will sent back in time Cameron. Has TTSCC stated what year in the future Cameron was sent back from?

Does that help? Or is further explaination needed?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by traveler:
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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
First off:

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Originally posted by traveler:
They even mess with the Bible.

So does everyone else, especially the church.

This is just another example of Hollywood doing their own thing. I go to movies more often with an open mind. I have seen to many movies jog away from the original book that I actually expect now.

I actually thought they did a fairly good job with Shooter last year. Although 2 decades too late, they were fairly true to the excellent and ripe-for-film book Point of Impact. Because of the time delay and adaptation, they probably won't be able to continue with the rest of the series, though.

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