Best movie of the 21st Century.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, November 18, 2024 23:41
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Quote:Forgive me if I don't give a rat's behind about 'ranking'. I am a fan of Blade Runner from the first day I saw it in the theatre in '82- it was instantly my favourite film of all time while critics were bashing it for "too much rain, Ford getting beat up constantly, too convoluted..." blah blah. I never though a film would take it place, but along came Serenity, and the changeover took. The other films you list directly above explore real-world events, and as such are in a completely different category IMO, great as they are; reality-based fiction always gets a more serious look from peeps in general. Messages in sci-fi work best for me personally, because they are timeless (if done correctly) and can apply to many things as they come up.
If Serenity was to stand on its own feet, without the support of the extremely active Firefly fans, the movie would be ranked a lot lower IMHO
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Just kidding with that last one Chrisisall
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Quote:Absolutely!
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Well I'm with you Chris.
SERENITY it is.
JaynezTown. Not picking a fight or nuttin, but I'd like to discuss a few of your thoughts on Joss.
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A lot of people here think Joss is some kind of spielberg or hitchcock, unfortunately he is not
He make great tv shows but when it comes to movie making he is often below par.
Ok now that's a little unfair to compare him to Spielberg or Hitchcock. I can see why you've done it but it's a tad premature. Given that Joss' cinema career is really only just starting (or so I hope)
Joss' TV work (Rosanne, Buffy, Angel, Firefly) is far better and vastly more significant than Spielbergs TV work (Night Gallery, Marcus Welby MD, Owen Marshall: Counselor at Law, Amazing Stories), but that aside Spielberg (whom I like btw) has several more years under his belt than Joss does as director and by virtue one would expect him to have amassed a number of 'good' films. However Spielberg has had his fair share of poor films too. 1941, Amistad, Hook The Terminal, Empire of the Sun.
In terms of Hitchcock I think it's just such an unfair comparison. Hitchcock made little else other than suspense films. He had his whole working career to refine his craft. A career that lasted what 4-5 decades? It's no wonder he made some classics in that time. I'm sure that if Joss or any other director were given this kind of backing for that many years he too would invariably churn out a collection of classics.
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Like I was saying Whedon makes great televsion but I just don't think he has what it takes to be ranked above some the greatest film makers of our time
Joss produced magic in the Firefly tv series but he has also helped make some very average stuff like Alien 4 Resurrection, episodes of Roseanne and Atlantis:Lost Empire
Well this happens to all the greats. You have to fall down. There is liberty in failure and if you look at all the great directors they do have their moments where they fail. Every single one: Scorsese, Coppola, Spielberg, Curtiz, Hitchock, Ford, Wells, Hawks, De Mille... They all have had their failures. It goes with the territory.
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I didn't like they way Joss just killed of Wash and Book for shock jockery, and River/Summer suddenly started doing an impression of Buffy the Reaver slayer. Serenity wasn't really unique or ground breaking, if you look back through history of scifi films you will find there are many movies superior to this Serenity movie and Serenity was definitely below average when you compare it to Firefly
All worthy points but I'm not sure a 'great' film need necessarily be 'ground-breaking' but I take your point. The only really ground breaking film in terms of sci-fi i'd say was Star Wars. It was like nothing ever seen before and it not only turned up the visuals, and special effects, but it also noted that sound was just as significant an element to cinema as anything else. Look how sound changed after Star Wars. It totally went on to dominate the 'home' cinema experience. And I believe Star Wars was in no small part responsible for that.
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I also feel movies like Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down which covers oppression extremism and dropping U.S. soldiers into war on foregin lands or movies like Tsotsi which deals with Johannesburg gangs and abandoned AIDS orphans have far more relevance in today's society. I don't necessarily think all these types of movies are more entertaining, its just they are more thought provoking and relevant to our lives today.
Black Hawk down while seemingly faultless in its representation of war, is really nothing more than a technical excersise. I couldn't empathise with a single character. The whole thing passed by as an army recruitment advert. After 20 minutes of the soldiers having dropped into enemy lines I was exhausted, and nothing beyond that point really differed. It was the same execution thereafter. The continuity was all over the place and the 'chaos' while probably very 'realistic' just leaves you disengaged as to its outcome. This for
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The best movie of the 21st C. is kind of an open question and probably will remain so, since I’m not likely to live to see the end of it. So maybe the best movies from 2000 to 2007.
Serenity was a good movie. I think it deserves to be near the top of any list of great scifi movies, but I’m not ready to say that it’s the best movie since 2000. But in all honesty, you have to really hate a movie to think that it’s not as good as Tideland. That movie was crap squared. There are some really good movies in the last few years. Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, Passion of the Christ, Narnia were all better then Serenity. In fact, I would put them like this, until I think about it some more and change it:
10. Constantine
9. Passion of the Christ
8. X-Men
7. The Golden Compass
6. Serenity
5. Bridget to Terabithia
4. The Chronicles of Narnia
3. Gladiator
2. Lord of the Rings (all three)
And the number one best film since 2000:
1. Pan’s Labyrinth
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I’m not sure that’s really true. I think the movie stands on its own as a excellent example of science fiction. Now how high up you place this movie on your list of the best movies depends a lot on how you rate those movies. If your criteria is based on the socio-political and psychological or historical relevance, then Serenity is likely to fail and fall well below, but then so would most science fiction. Science fiction, while it can be, is not always very deep in a directly pertinent way to the current sociopolitics; it tends to rely heavily on allegory. So it’s appeal will never necessarily be as broad as movies that relate more directly to people’s lives.
Originally posted by JaynezTown:
If Serenity was to stand on its own feet, without the support of the extremely active Firefly fans, the movie would be ranked a lot lower IMHO.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I disagree specifically and in general. How many eps of Star Trek were about the Vietnam War?- The Operative in Serenity is clearly meant to represent both our leaders and Terrorists of present day IMO- Matrix is about the false lives we lead due to commercialism- Star Wars is a thinly veiled cautionary tale of creeping fascism...like Fanty & Mingo, I could go on and on....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If your criteria is based on the socio-political and psychological or historical relevance, then Serenity is likely to fail and fall well below, but then so would most science fiction.
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Quote:I don’t know how you can disagree, because you’re arguing my point. These are all allegorical. A Star Trek episode about two aliens with alternate black and white sides will never speak as directly to racism as a movie about racism between blacks and whites in the current day US.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I disagree specifically and in general. How many eps of Star Trek were about the Vietnam War?- The Operative in Serenity is clearly meant to represent both our leaders and Terrorists of present day IMO- Matrix is about the false lives we lead due to commercialism- Star Wars is a thinly veiled cautionary tale of creeping fascism...like Fanty & Mingo, I could go on and on....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If your criteria is based on the socio-political and psychological or historical relevance, then Serenity is likely to fail and fall well below, but then so would most science fiction.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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When I originally saw Serenity on May 5, 2005, in a rough cut preview showing, I liked about 95% of what I saw. After nearly twenty further viewings, that percentage is up to approximately 99%. I've seen a few others I would rate close to it (Children of Men, 300, Pan's Labyrinth), but until recently I don't think I've seen another film this decade that I would rate above it.
Then last week I saw No Country for Old Men.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And the number one best film since 2000:
1. Pan’s Labyrinth
I definitely agree on Pan’s Labyrinth.
I don't like to compare space operas with other genres in general. You have to watch so many bad science fiction movies to see one good one, when a good one like Serenity comes along it automatically goes into an elite group.
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Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Lord of the Rings (all three)
Kung Fu Hustle
Crouching Tiger
Gladiator
Razor
Serenity
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