Iraqi WMD's non-existence still confounding some buggers!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, September 14, 2007 17:16
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Quote:Oh, I've been so gentle with you. Far more than you have with others. That t'aint evil pal...just my opinions is all.
I give you credit...you are determined!
I've thrown enough fuel on the fire for one day...not looking to satisfy some inner need you have to confront individuals....just go ahead and call me a neo-con troll, and move on to the next Con here ( not many left ) to grapple with.
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Hero,
I think you're missing the point. Bush's dishonesty is beyond the "War on Terror." It's about creating an environment where "terror" pervades, and the excuse for invading our privacy, restricting our freedoms, and lying to us about these efforts is justfied because "We're at war!"
"He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither." - Benjamin Franklin
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Quote:So? It doesn’t not equate to being principled either. A lot of people work hard to develop connections. It’s actually called “networking.” And if you fail to take legal advantage of your connections or you have some conviction that there’s something wrong with taking legal advantage of your connections, that’s up to you. If you’d walk away from an easy legal 10 grand for no other reason than that you have some moral issue with connections, then I might be surprised by that – in fact, I might considered that foolish.
Originally posted by leadb:
Many people who are 'successful' in business do so at the expense of others; being a 'successful' business person in the US today does not necessarily equate to being principled. Look at various discussions regarding the housing bubble (either here, or at the 'economy roars on part 2' I forget which) to get a sense of what I'm referring to.
Quote:He served his country in the Air National Guard. That’s a good thing.
Originally posted by leadb:
I'd be interested to know how you felt about Bush's 'service' in the National Guard to avoid the draft during the Vietnam era.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Yep, Finn, we have a very different view of the world.
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I haven't exactly got and answer from Finn about the "American values" he thinks need to be supported, or exported.
Finn?
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Gonna make a second thread on this, so if anyone wants to continue the discussion at least it won't take 12 minutes to load.
www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=30558
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Originally posted by Veteran:
It's about creating an environment where "terror" pervades, and the excuse for invading our privacy, restricting our freedoms, and lying to us about these efforts is justfied because "We're at war!"
"He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither." - Benjamin Franklin
"The Constitution is not a suicide pact."- Justice Robert Jackson, Terminiello v. Chicago (1949)...referring the statements allegedly made by Abraham Linoln when defending the suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War.
The basic idea is that on 9/11 we learned that we had allowed an environment where "terror" pervades to come into existence. President Bush's policies have been designed to correct that situation. You might think they are going too far...but its better to go too far and back up then not go far enough and be dead. I think Franklin would see the wisdom in that.
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Hero, I'm gonna xfer your post to the new thread so it doens't take a zillion years to load.
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Originally posted by Hero:
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Justice Robert Jackson
But it is to pinhead Liberals. They wish death on all of us. They would have us all have smiles on our decapitated heads, ACLU cards clenched in our teeth, as the Jihadists were raping and torturing our women folk for sport....as long as we followed the letter of every law, and this was the outcome, they would be just fine and dandy with it.
Or one of them would emerge from the smoldering embers of a dirty-bombed city with millions dead waving their Sean Penn fan club pin in triumph, along with their Bush is Hitler flag. We Won! We gave them attorneys, US citizen rights, 3 squares a day, and no profiling...we won!
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