Iraqi WMD's non-existence still confounding some buggers!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, September 14, 2007 17:16
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Quote:I can’t, and I didn’t say I could. But I don’t assume someone is a liar because I disagree with them, which is essentially all you’re doing with regard to Bush.
Originally posted by SignyM:
4)You can also not KNOW that Bush was telling the truth.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:You did, even in this post. But you’re apparent complete inability to grasp the issues here seem to bring you a lot of joy and I don't have the heart to take that away.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Don't believe I did.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Quote:First of all, this isn't a case of simple "disagreement". Bush was horribly, irretrievably wrong on everything that had to do with Iraq ... from the "reasons" to go to war through the postwar planning and implementation. And he was horribly irretrievably wrong on a lot of other things as well. And- need I repeat?- I was right. Now how can I be right so often, given my limited access to information, and he can be so often wrong?
I can’t, and I didn’t say I could. But I don’t assume someone is a liar because I disagree with them, which is essentially all you’re doing with regard to Bush.
When I see someone making serious, horrible blunders time and time again there are only two things I can conclude: they are either irretrievably stupid, or they have other motivations behind their actions.
BUSH may be stupid, but his team is not. From the FACT that their results are so often amiss from their stated goals, I can only conclude that they have other goals in mind. Or I can give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're fender-heads.
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"BUSH may be stupid, but his team is not. From the FACT that their results are so often amiss from their stated goals, I can only conclude that they have other goals in mind. Or I can give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're fender-heads. " There's a third possibility... he's really unlucky.
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You can know what Bush knew not just by looking at the paper trail ahead of time, but by his actions after. The WMD 'sites' that were never secured; a search for WMD that wasn't started until much later, and only under pressure; the UN that was never called in to help in the search ...
... if there were stockpiles of thousands of liters of anthrax, missiles loaded with Sarin, tons of untracked yellowcake ... you'd think the first order of business would be to secure and neutralize them.
I was sure at the start there were no WMD by watching Bush, after the attack, I was happy to get my confirmation, also by watching Bush.
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Rue... no. no. I already explained. Bad luck. As far as not securing the sites afterward, the commanders, in the excitement of chasing Saddam into hiding -forgot- about the WMD. Later, they were embarrassed about it because even tho there were no WDM, they did allow tons and tons of convention High Explosives to go missing, so they tried to go on the 'down low' about forgetting about the WMD.
You guys just are not being creative and open minded about looking at the other side!!!
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Quote:This is the simple logic that escapes Finn. He and others like him create an elabourate fantasy in which all manner of complication enter into constructing a protective cocoon around a man or idea.
Originally posted by SignyM:
When I see someone making serious, horrible blunders time and time again there are only two things I can conclude: they are either irretrievably stupid, or they have other motivations behind their actions.
But hey- what do I know? I have an apparent complete inability to grasp the issues here...
Graspless Chrisisall
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Quote:And what elaborate fantasy is that? That the government screwed up as, quite frankly, happens a lot, or that there was some conspiracy involving the presidency, the military, the Congress and even the British Government and military, and the Australian government etc to start a war for the calculating purpose of forcing Bush’s poll numbers into the 20’s and pushing Blair out of office? Sounds to me like the fantasy is yours and others like you.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is the simple logic that escapes Finn. He and others like him create an elabourate fantasy in which all manner of complication enter into constructing a protective cocoon around a man or idea.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And what elaborate fantasy is that? That the government screwed up as, quite frankly, happens a lot, or that there was some conspiracy involving the presidency, the military, the Congress and even the British Government and military, and the Australian government etc to start a war for the calculating purpose of forcing Bush’s poll numbers into the 20’s and pushing Blair out of office?
Bush and Blair work for people, and I'm not talkin' about the voters.
See, it's so simple that many intelligent peeps have a hard time seein' it- it doesn't matter what polls say about Bush, and it's not about what's NOT working- look at what IS.
Look at who's profiting from this whole mess, and you begin to see who really runs this country (world).
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhosProfit
ingFromTheIraqWar.aspx
Things are being achieved that some want achieved, oh, and the Iraqi people- they might get a better deal out of it- in the end, but they're incidental to the larger picture.
It's all about the Benjamins Chrisisall
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So now the conspiracy involves private companies too. It just gets more elaborate as it goes along, doesn’t it? Of course one would kind of expect that from a Leftist conspiracy theory – you have to stick in the evil capitalists wherever possible. They are the true evil of the world, much like the Jews.
And you're right, I don't see it. I don't understand why people can't just accept that the government screwed up. One reason I think is zealous hatred – desire to demonize people you don’t agree with. It’s not enough to accept that the government may have been wrong; you have to demand that they are a bunch of rotten lying bastards, or you can’t be happy with your own less then well supported point of view. Another reason could be just faith in the system – you can’t believe that the government would ever screw up, so you have to invent an elaborate conspiracy theory that prescribes knowledge and intent. That’s just my attempt to understand it; I don’t really know what motivates the common Bush-hater. It’s a mystery.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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