Iraqi WMD's non-existence still confounding some buggers!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, September 14, 2007 17:16
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I bow to your superior logic, Oh Great One!
*govels*
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Always look upstream.
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Quote:*Picks Signy up*
Originally posted by SignyM:
*govels*
Hey- you and Rue have the corner on logic IMO, I just lucked into this win (with a little help from Finn
).Chrisisall, using the
emoticon way too much lately
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You deserve it! heh heh heh
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Quote:In reality, however, Hussein violated the ceasefire agreement in place following the 1991 Gulf War which means that the diplomatic status between the US and Iraq reverts to a state of war. So, preemptive, it might have been, but illegal it was not. We simply exercised our legal right to act on the violation of the ceasefire agreement.
Originally posted by SignyM:
According to some international lawyers, the only reason for invasion is to preempt an imminent threat. According to others, even THAT reason isn't good enough.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I buy that, considering how we were blindsided on 9/ll, Bush believed that caution was the better part of valor in this instance. That doesn’t make him a liar.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, uhh, any response would fail, in other words. It's do this, or all is lost? So, he can know the future, then. And you buy this?
Quote:What?!
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Oh, you'd never believe that anyone could do that right?
Quote:Blowing it out of proportion according to whom? If I said that we needed to invade Afghanistan and eliminate Al Qaeda in 1999 because if not we would might get attacked in 2001, would I be blowing the threat from Al Qaeda out of proportion?
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, he's blowing a situation out of proportion...uhh..on purpose? Does that constitute a lie? Or just a stupid opinion?
Quote:No. It’s not. There is nothing sophomoric or sophistic about what I said. What might be sophomoric, however, is deliberately mischaracterizing Bush’s position in order to accuse him of dishonesty. So if Bush’s position was really so wrong, why do you have to mischaracterize it?
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Your playing games with the use of the word 'imminent' is merely sophmoric sophistry.
Quote:Well, you haven’t won this one either, so don’t feel bad.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
No hard feelings, Finn...I just never won an argument so totally before!!!
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Hero
You still think there's WMD in Iraq ?
Is there a secret base or giant stockpile? No. Thats silly. But a canister of sarin gas buried in the desert or in a forgotton cellar...you can't rule that out.
I note for the record that chlorine gas has been used in a small number of insurgent attacks since 2003.
H
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/21/world/middleeast/21cnd-baghdad.html?
ex=1189569600&en=008a7abfea2f5219&ei=5070
" And in 2005 a train crash in South Carolina in which 60 tons of liquefied chlorine was released "
Is the US restricting the use of chlorine, beyond it being a hazardous good ?
Either you are allowing a chemical weapon to be transported and used in weapons programs everywhere...
or it's just chlorine
No justification to invade
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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So, Bush invaded Iraq on a technicality because he was convinced that Saddam had WMD which were NOT an imminent threat, and Bush's conviction was based on.... what?
Suspicion?
Belief?
Paranioa?
Finn, If as you say
1)I couldn't "know" there were no WMD
2)I couldn't "know" Bush was lying
3)Bush couldn't "know" if there were WMD (or not)...
4)You can also not KNOW that Bush was telling the truth.
But here you stand, hanging doggedly to your blind trust and faith in someone who is just human, and has already demonstrated his inability to tell a straight story in other arenas beside the Iraq invasion.
BTW, I would like for YOU to describe the evidence that Saddam had WMD in significant "stockpiles" and/or an active WMD production program. In detail. Not just a handwaving "well he HAD them 15 years ago and he MIGHT have still have been producing them" I mean a real stand-up-to-scrutiny kind of assessment. I think you'll find it's a lot harder than you might imagine, because most of the "compelling evidence" that we were shown had been specifically discredited before the invasion. ("East west north south somewhat of Baghdad?" PUHLEEZ!) And if based on that data you STILL feel that invasion was desirable, better get ready to invade half the world.
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Quote:Caution doesn't make him a liar, lying makes him a liar.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I buy that, considering how we were blindsided on 9/ll, Bush believed that caution was the better part of valor in this instance. That doesn’t make him a liar.
Quote:Most of the civilized world, official reports, etc.
Blowing it out of proportion according to whom?
Quote:Well, with 20/20 hindsight, no. Or we could have paid attention to intel that said 911 was gonna happen....we have no such intel on any other signifigant events...
If I said that we needed to invade Afghanistan and eliminate Al Qaeda in 1999 because if not we would might get attacked in 2001, would I be blowing the threat from Al Qaeda out of proportion?
Quote:Don't believe I did.
There is nothing sophomoric or sophistic about what I said. What might be sophomoric, however, is deliberately mischaracterizing Bush’s position in order to accuse him of dishonesty. So if Bush’s position was really so wrong, why do you have to mischaracterize it?
Quote:Well, I've posted our little thread here at other sites (check the response at: http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/index.php?showtopic=178
Well, you haven’t won this one either, so don’t feel bad.
28 ), and most seem to give the no-prize to me...
*does the Snoopy dance all over again*
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I need no tricks, your logic if flawed, so take your licks!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
TRIUMPHANT Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Liberals can't win...cause then someone would have to lose and thats not very liberal of you...
Me I win everyday. I put people in jail, take home a nice paycheck, eat a fine meal, and sleep with my hot girlfriend who loves Firefly. And I'll gladly step over your political ideas, your misguided revisionist history, or your hopes and dreams to do it all again tomorrow. I won...I just don't need to shout it...
H
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Quote:I ain't no Liberal, son.
Originally posted by Hero:
Liberals can't win...cause then someone would have to lose and thats not very liberal of you...
Neocon: "I punched him in the mouth, cause I thought he might hit me..."
Tree-hugger: "I gave him my bonsai, cause I thought he might hit me..."
Me: "I walked right by him, cause I can..."
My politics Chrisisall
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