is TIME a problem? Or is this guy retarded?
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, May 26, 2007 14:33
VIEWED: 10984
PAGE 2 of 10
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Yep. Much more statisticly likely that a giant invisible man with a beard said "Let there be life" and *poof*, here we are.
How do you know he has a beard if he's invisible?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Mal's ship goes vroom.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
~*Peter* Peter*; power *re-peater*~
`@/
/Y
/_)
*Petrelli for President. Together we can soar.*
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HEROE'S IS MY CRACK!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010.html
If you ever have a question about evolution, check talkorigins.org, they probably have the answer. If they don't then the talk.origins newsgroup can probably find it for you.
Thanks for this link.....
Did it answer your question?
It did answer my question, but even in that forum they are talking a LONG time (not as long) to form a single sugar. My question now is, is there any way to take the statistical probability of life (lesser or higher) and determine how many mutations it would take, the time it would take, the route it would take... to get to us having this discussion.....Every thing I am reading is saying ...believing in god is retarded..and there is no way it could happen if the universe is 13.7 billion yrs. old never mind 30 billion.... Well, just trying to figure out how I climbed out of the primordial ooze to be come kaneman..........
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Mal's ship goes vroom.
And swoosh! Don't forget swoosh!
________________________________________________________________________
- Grand High Poobah of the Mythical Land of Iowa, and Keeper of State Secrets
- Captain, FFF.net Grammar Police
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And *ooooooooooooooo* Look at the pweddy colors.
o_0
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
~*Peter* Peter*; power *re-peater*~
`@/
/Y
/_)
*Petrelli for President. Together we can soar.*
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
**********~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HEROE'S IS MY CRACK!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
My question now is, is there any way to take the statistical probability of life (lesser or higher) and determine how many mutations it would take, the time it would take, the route it would take... to get to us having this discussion.....
Not really, the thing is that there are times when large chunks of the genome have been replicated, there are times when many mutations take hold in a short period, there are regressions, there is natural selection, sexual selection, extinction. There's just too many variables to get a clear picture. If you make a lot of assumptions you can arrive at a figure for how it COULD have gone, but there's no way to tell the way things actually happened since DNA doesn't fossilize.
Quote:
Every thing I am reading is saying ...believing in god is retarded..
I'm not sure if this is what you are implying but evolution does not prove or disprove the existence of a god.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
One other thing throwing a wrench into plotting our genetic past is the idea of Punctuated Equilibrium. Punk Eek basically says that evolution does not move continuously but rather runs in short spurts then plateaus for a while when the population lacks a sufficient evolutionary pressure to change. Evolution is extremely messy and convoluted in practice, though in theory it's pretty simple.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:Quote:
My question now is, is there any way to take the statistical probability of life (lesser or higher) and determine how many mutations it would take, the time it would take, the route it would take... to get to us having this discussion.....
Not really, the thing is that there are times when large chunks of the genome have been replicated, there are times when many mutations take hold in a short period, there are regressions, there is natural selection, sexual selection, extinction. There's just too many variables to get a clear picture. If you make a lot of assumptions you can arrive at a figure for how it COULD have gone, but there's no way to tell the way things actually happened since DNA doesn't fossilize.Quote:
Every thing I am reading is saying ...believing in god is retarded..
I'm not sure if this is what you are implying but evolution does not prove or disprove the existence of a god.
Just asking....your link(I think) made the case that it is possible to make a sugar molecule in less than 10^158 SECONDS...how do we get the diversity we see on this planet after the smaller time?
I think getting something from nothing is wrong...I also believe GOD did not make it happen.....There has to be something we can't yet comprehend.......
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Just asking....your link(I think) made the case that it is possible to make a sugar molecule in less than 10^158 SECONDS...how do we get the diversity we see on this planet after the smaller time?
Massively parallel development + a wide variety of ways to mutate. I once heard an analogy that went something like this, give identical books to a few thousand different scribes and have them copy the books, each scribe will likely leave a couple errors in their copy, take the copy and give it to another scribe and have them copy that one, they will leave a few errors of their own, in a few thousand generations the books will be noticeably different but still obviously the same, but after a couple hundred thousand generations they will be barely recognizable as being related because of the accumulation of errors.
If you consider that some of the mutations were assisted by natural selection or sexual selection and also consider polyploidy (where entire chromosomes double) then the mutations add up very fast.
Quote:
I think getting something from nothing is wrong
All the building blocks were already there, they just followed the laws of chemistry and assembled themselves until one (or more) started a self-replicating reaction.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Stephen Wolfram showed that extremely complex patterns develop from the application of simple rules, over time.
I have thought that once formed a reproductive system (including life) has a survival edge over completely random systems. So it only needs to happen once, and then it takes over any random system. The other thing is that a system that uses limited random changes (evolves) will outpace a rigid system.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME