is TIME a problem? Or is this guy retarded?

POSTED BY: kaneman
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KANEMAN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:07 PM

I just got done reading an article. The guy made these assumptions in his calculations:

If there are 10^80 electrons in the universe.
And the universes age is 30 billion years(that being on the high end), which is 10^18 seconds.
And the chance of a simple 100 part protein randomly coming together is 10^158.
Now if the electrons equal the number of available particles for components. Only 10^78 such groups could exist at any one time. Far short of the 10^158 chances needed. Chances are it was not successful. Now if the particles have to reshuffle to try again, and that only takes a billionth of a second, than 10^9 trials can be made per second.

He than says with even these absurdly generous conditions there is only time for 10^105 tries( 10^78 * 10^9 *10^18 ) And that this makes it statistically impossible for the evolution of a protein, never-mind all known life in the universe......

This makes sense to me. Am I missing something here? Is there a flaw to his reasoning?

STORYMARK

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:11 PM

Yep. Much more statisticly likely that a giant invisible man with a beard said "Let there be life" and *poof*, here we are.

Makes much more sense....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

BIONICBATMAN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:11 PM

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:15 PM

http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010.html

If you ever have a question about evolution, check talkorigins.org, they probably have the answer. If they don't then the talk.origins newsgroup can probably find it for you.

KHYRON

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:17 PM

Does he assume a uniform distribution of electrons throughout the universe? By the sounds of it, yes he does, in which case he would be retarded.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

KANEMAN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Does he assume a uniform distribution of electrons throughout the universe? By the sounds of it, yes he does, in which case he would be retarded.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

No, I think he's actually allowing them all in one place (for arguments sake I guess). Which he says is even more generous than the actual dispersal.........

KANEMAN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Yep. Much more statisticly likely that a giant invisible man with a beard said "Let there be life" and *poof*, here we are.

Makes much more sense....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Trying to stay away from the religious shit. Just looking up the probability of life...

KANEMAN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010.html

If you ever have a question about evolution, check talkorigins.org, they probably have the answer. If they don't then the talk.origins newsgroup can probably find it for you.

Thanks for this link.....

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:36 PM

As an addition to the link I posted.

There's two possibilities, either he's not very good at what he does or he's intentionally lying, my money's on the latter.

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010.html

If you ever have a question about evolution, check talkorigins.org, they probably have the answer. If they don't then the talk.origins newsgroup can probably find it for you.

Thanks for this link.....

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