An Inconvenient Hypocrisy

POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Thursday, April 19, 2007 19:15
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KANEMAN

Saturday, March 3, 2007 8:31 PM

The Incredible Simonwho,
"the Republican candidates (all of them) are hellbent on destroying the environment"

Yep, that's what they live for destroying the environment........Brilliant as always Simonwho. You are so insightful. Do you know the muffin man that lives on dreary lane? Of course.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 4, 2007 4:15 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And of course when a liberal is caught with an inconsistent message it's okay, because he's a liberal and not a "neocon," right Chris?

The truth is that Al Gore is, in fact, a hypocrite on this issue. He has been for a long time. The media is only just now coming to terms with this. And if you can’t see it, it’s probably because you’re a left-wing apologist, and don't want to.

All in this post is a reasonable reaction to what I posted, because I didn't take the time to address Gore's hypocracy. Yeah, I see it. He's a big phoney personally, but that still doesn't negate the good of the message. We have to face up to what's coming. It's too late to stop it, even if we'd all been tree-hugging, bicycling, non-poluting Demolition Man-geeks, I suspect the Earth has it's own agenda, which includes a major climate change ever few hundred years.
The industrial Revolution came and brought big-time polution with it. Can't change that now. Getting rid of what polutants we can is all fine and well, but as Wayne said in Batman and Robin, "People come first." We're not gonna stop shipping food in trucks and throw out our refrigerators just to SEE if we can slow it down. But getting ready for a minor, world-affecting ice age on a global scale might make some sense, doncha think?

The AlGore 5000 has SOME points to make in his self-indulgent semi-documentary, IMO.

Info from whatever source Chrisisall

PS- left-wing apologist? Uhhh, not really (one of my favourite films IS Demolition Man, 'cause the Left is capable of the same nonsense, just in different venues).
"We're Police Officers; we're not trained to deal with this level of violence!"

KHYRON

Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:14 AM

There's no doubt about the validity of his message, but if a person is trying to convince a large number of skeptics that global warming is happening, I don't think the message will come across too well if those skeptics think that person is a hypocrite.

I realise that a large proportion of the energy his household uses comes from renewable resources, but so far the availability of energy from renewable resources is very limited, yet his message effectively becomes "as long as it's from a renewable source, you can use as much as you want". And I also realise that he's got an office, guest house, enhanced security, etc, but 20 times more than the average household is still extraordinarily high. It's kind of hypocritical of a person to tell people who use 20 times less that they should be the ones cutting back.

This is from the article I linked:

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They were also in the process of installing solar panels and low-energy light bulbs to reduce consumption from the grid, she added.

No matter where his energy comes from, those things should have been installed a long time ago.

We (the left) shouldn't be so quick to point to hypocrisy on the right and then make excuses and still point fingers at the right when there's hypocrisy on the left.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

CANTTAKESKY

Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
There's no doubt about the validity of his message, but if a person is trying to convince a large number of skeptics that global warming is happening, I don't think the message will come across too well if those skeptics think that person is a hypocrite.

I think there IS plenty of doubt about the validity of the message. But that aside, it's sort of like Ted Haggard (the fundie preacher who admitted to a 3 year affair with a male prostitute) preaching about the evils of homosexuality. Whether you agree with the "message" or not, it really needs to come from a different person.

A spokesperson who lives a simple life in a solar-powered house, bicycling most of the time, would make a stronger impression on me for reducing carbon emissions than a spokesperson whose only contribution to the "message" is that he is a government celebrity. But that's me.

BTW, the average global temperature has risen from 13.88 degrees Celsius in 1880 to 14.60 degrees C in 2004. What I can't find is the range of the temperatures from which this mean is derived. When scientists normally report an average, they usually also include a calculation called the "standard deviation" that allows people to know what the range of the data is. (Most of the data falls within 3 standard deviations above and below the mean.)

For example, the average SAT score is 500. The standard deviation is 100. That lets you know the range of SAT scores is 300 points (3 SD's) below and above the mean, or 200-800. Contrast this to a mean of 500 that has a range from say, 470 - 530. With a tighter range, the mean of 500 is more representative of actual data than a mean of 500 with a larger range. So knowing the SD is very important in evaluating a mean.

Yet most reports on global warming don't even cite the actual mean global temperature, and I haven't found one to date that cites the standard deviation. If anyone knows what the standard deviation is of the actual temperature data from which the average is derived, please let me know. I don't have a lot of time to research, so I may have just missed it.

Thanks.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Nullius in verba. (Take nobody's word.)

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
We (the left) shouldn't be so quick to point to hypocrisy on the right and then make excuses and still point fingers at the right when there's hypocrisy on the left.

Nice save, wouldn't you agree Soup?

Posting to stir stuff up.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Khyron, is an ex-Vice President really gonna live in a place like you or me?

Ghandi's mom snuck him cookies during fasts.

The message is what matters.

Our climate's changing. Chrisisall

That message being " Do as I say, not as I do " ?

Gore muddy's the message.

The climate's ALWAYS been changing.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CITIZEN

Sunday, March 4, 2007 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That message being " Do as I say, not as I do " ?

Just like every other politician. You can't help it if some people give their heros a free pass.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 4, 2007 4:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

That message being " Do as I say, not as I do " ?

AU, to you the message will always be that 'NeoCon' is the label the Left gives true heroes and patriots, and only the Liberals are capable of true corruption of heart and soul.

He's a hypocrite, so? Show me a successful politician that isn't.
*Gets ready for the list of torture-approving hawks*

Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 4, 2007 5:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
You can't help it if some people give their heros a free pass.

Yes, I will give James Kirk and Mal Reynolds a free pass- real life folk...please see your nearest travel agent, and book a plane to Hell.

Chrisisall, who LIVES on pizza, but wouldn't recommend it for everyone...

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:24 PM

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AU, to you the message will always be that 'NeoCon' is the label the Left gives true heroes and patriots, and only the Liberals are capable of true corruption of heart and soul.

I'm just curious. Which uses more power, Bush's ranch down in Crawford,TX, or Gore's place in Tennessee.

What are the real differences between the 2? If Bush's place uses a considerable amount LESS than Gore's , as suggested , why isn't Bush getting any of the praise ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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