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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And Seven, imma hafta call BS on you,
Fine, then don't be surprised when I do it right back, because I'm about to.
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It would be one thing for the school to work with the students to create a uniform worn by students as a badge of school pride, with their input and suggestions, but that is NOT how it is done.
Of course it isn't done like that. Would you like to know why? Because you can't make everyone happy, that's why. One group wants it this way, one group wants it that way, the 51% majority that sets the rule pisses off the 49% that didn't, then parents get involved or the students that lost spend time running around trying to get petitions signed. And, really, what is there to work with? What kind of 'design' do you really need to have? Khakis and shirts that match the school colors. End of story, everyone matches.
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They are shoved down the kids throats as a gesture of their inferiority, {edit...} and to erase all differences so that such need not be explained, explored and/or understood.
Yes, because we should just let the kids run around thinking they are on an equal power level with the faculty and staff. No one wants them to be inferior, but we do want them to respect authority. Do you get a say in how you should dress at work? Unless you're your own, do you get to tell the GM of your company exactly what way you think it should be run, and that you won't work if he doesn't do it your way? That's what you're advocating.
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And for those who still buck the tide there's the outright tsunami of ritalin to bury them under medical coercion, {edited...} fix a scheme that teaches obedience rather than critical thinking, oh hell no.
What's up, Piratenews. I think ADD is a crutch, so do most teachers, and ritalin is a joke. You know who forces that down our throats? Parents, that's who. Little James doesn't do well in school because mommy never taught him to behave, and they run right out to the doctor and get ritalin so he can have an excuse. DO NOT EVER pin that shit on teachers, that's an outside issue. I can't think of the last time I EVER heard a teacher say, I think your kid needs ritalin so he can be a mindless drone. You're pinning that tain on the wrong donkey.
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Very, VERY touchy issue with me, having been forcibly ejected from schools for being a critical thinker, for asking questions and for not being a nice, obedient pet animal, but rather a person who demanded the same basic respect as a human being that was being given.
And now watching my niece go through an upgraded and worse rendition of the very selfsame events because she doesn't meekly obey, because she is intelligent, curious, and creative and yet rather than rewarded by this, is actively harrassed and punished for it by the system, fills me with a blinding red rage that anyone would dare call our current system educational... well, that it may be, but what values do you think my niece is learning when she now sees adults and society as enemies ?
And here's where I call BS. You know what this post smacks of? You didn't like a certain class, and didn't want to pay attention, and you pin it on the system. I see this every day.
Let me show everyone how this plays out:
I teach English. Little Frem wants to sit in my class and draw, or sit in my class and do Sudoku when he should be following along. I say something, or write him up, or make him put it away. Suddenly I'm 'stifling the curiosity' of the gifted. Little Frem should be allowed to learn what he wants, when he wants, and if he's a math genius, then I'm in the way of his learning and am turning him into an automaton. Is that about right? Because that's what it sounds like to me. Trust me, I've heard that same thing from a hundred parents, and that's the way the story always goes. "You should respect the fact that my kid wants to be a musician/athlete/math whiz and let him work on that stuff in your class." No, I teach English, and little F
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I warned you, Touchy subject, now i'm going to eat you alive.
No offense...
Firstoff, respect is EARNED, not taken, and especially not taken at the expense of folks you are demanding respect from, and the method therof matters a whole damned lot.
Sure, you can beat a dog down so hard it "Respects" you by cringing in your presence, but as soon as that dog sees a chance, you'll have teethmarks, and that is *exactly* what's happening in our school systems today.
You EARN Respect by example, not by crushing anything that isn't absolute subservience - and of course the forgotten issue that children are PEOPLE, human beings, not pets, not property (although legally they are that) and not animals, they are human beings and deserve to be likewise treated with respect, you have to give some to get some, and they are given NONE.
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do you get to tell the GM of your company exactly what way you think it should be run
I told him to fire the racist and the alcoholic, hell yes, just because they are not adults, kids are incapable of offering useful input and suggestions ?
Mind you, our school had a fiasco over this issue, a ludicrously draconian dress code we felt needed to be discussed on it's merits and the student government could, and did take issue with it.
Schools response, dissolve the student government, gee what a message THAT sent about our (token) involvement, and yes we resorted to less than nice means till it was finally reinstated and the common sense points were addressed.
And before you dare start calling tinfoil hattery maybe you should go back and check your facts, the company that produces Ritalin was pounded pretty hard on more or less manufacturing (or at the very least altering the diagnostic criteria of existing phenom) this issue to create a larger market for their product, and was sued for it, and a large collective of the plaintiffs were parents who damned well felt the schools were "pushing" this on them, and repeated cases of threats over it regarding social services if compliance wasn't given.
I know ALL too well because my sister has been the target of some of those threats despite the fact that there's not one bit "wrong" with any of her kids - and even if there were, you mean to tell me a Pediatrician can detect a behavioral disorder in a mere 10 minute office visit ?
Bunk!
Minimum of 90 minutes of observation combined with an accurate (i.e. not provided by a school with ulterior motive!) case and familial history, which is certainly not the case in the handout "diagnosis" most of these kids receive.
Don't you DARE blame the parents when those parents have repeatedly been on the receiving end of threats and social services investigation for failing to comply with the school system's demand to ritalinize them.
And many of the symptoms they call ADD have a different root cause as you'll see shortly when I post *another* editorial written about the same time as "Return of the Fear" regarding this situation - I've DONE my homework on this one kiddo, don't try to play me for a fool.
And you dare to lie to me and say teachers don't suggest it to admins who then pressure those parents ?
What PLANET are you on ?
You are sitting here telling me to disbelieve the evidence of my own eyes and my own sisters experience with the MD State School Board over nearly 20 years ? I do not think so.
And dare you mock ?
Little Frem had to do much of his own education OUTSIDE of school because in at least one case (that being the aforementioned history class) the information being taught was at the very best, slanted and in more than one case outright falsehood - and yet in the very finest irony resistance to that shoveljob resulted in an extremely good and accurate grasp of history, via means other than the school system.
Little Frem's *issues* with the school were it's blind eye to a certain collective of "somebodys sons" terrorising the rest of the school populace with impunity, an extraordinary hostile education environment and a complete lack of respect or even
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Original Editorial, as promised, publication circa spring-summer 2001.
A Deadly Quick-Fix
(Authors Note - Please keep in mind that most of this research this article is based upon is the work of others, most of them better equipped, trained and financed to do so than the author, and while such information is cross checked to the best of the authors ability, that should never replace one's own methods of verifying information.)
Let me give you an example to chew on - if your child had a cough, would you simply give him cough medicine ? - without seeing a doctor ?
What if that cough never got any better ? - would you, then keep your child on cough medicine all his life, without so much as trying to find out what the underlying problem is....without the advice of a physician ?
I sincerely hope the response to that is "No !, that's crazy !".
Or is it ?
That is, in fact - the exact pattern of the use of Psychotropic drugs on children in our school system, Ritalin being most common among them.
A 1998 Article by the Detroit News called the rapidly increasing use of Ritalin in our school system "Alarming" - and to those who do even a little investigation into the matter, it is even more so.
There is no doubt that ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) and related disorders exist, nor is there any doubt that some children can benefit from the use of proper medication to combat such disorders, that is well established fact in the medical community.
But the sheer scope of increase in it's use relative to the public school system is, quite frankly, preposterous, according to many physicians.
In order to understand why this is, one has to understand at least a little about how a persons brain functions...and how it responds to it's environment.
Doctor Bruce D. Perry, of the ChildTrauma Academy has done phenomenal research into this area, and has done wonders into breaking it down into terms that parents, caregivers and educators can understand, and much of it points to a fact that turns the whole situation on it's head.
A Frightened Mind Can Not Learn
When a child does not feel "safe", if the child's environment is not secure and stable (to the child's perception, not yours.) - the brain will react according to it's natural priorities, and foremost among them is self preservation.
In a fear/anxiety situation, the brains response is simple, calling back on the same instincts that kept the caveman alive, heart rate and respiration increases, the glands dump a chemical flood into the system, and the mind-body reflexes prepare to react in age old manner, this is called the Fight/Flight/Freeze reflex.
During this process, the abstract and cognitive portions of the brain either lie dormant, or get drowned out by the amount of other activity going on up there.
The best case example would be this, you are driving, on the highway, while discussing politics with a friend in the passenger seat....your car hits a small patch of ice, sending it into a spin, and you desperately try to recover from it without wrecking the car.
Are you, at that point, *capable* , of maintaining the conversation about politics ? is your friend ?
No, because that portion of your brain is "kicked on the back burner" in a manner of speaking, while the immediate priority of self-preservation is addressed.
There are various degrees of this state, of course, with the above example being one of the more extreme, however, a person who is even at a low level of fear/anxiety has difficulty concentrating, using abstract thought, and many of the processes needed for "Learning".
How does this relate, you ask ?
Simple - if a child in a classroom is at a Fear/Anxiety state, learning will be much more difficult for them....they will fidget, be distracted easily, inattentive - every single symptom we attribute to ADD and related disorders.
Why would a child be in such a state while attending a public school ?
My question would be, why wouldn't they ?
Not so very long ago,
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Quote:I wasn't able to take Eccentricity at A levels, so I tried to teach myself by using English Eccentricity for Dummies. It wasn't quite what I expected though, because after a brief introduction to the orbital eccentricities of planets, it went on to describe, in detail, the bicycle manufacturing industry in Southampton during the 1920s.
Originally posted by Fletch2:
You're only allowed to be eccentric once you've mastered strange. We all get a basic education in strange, those that chose to pursue that to a higher level become eccentric. Trust me on this I have A levels in eccentric.
Not surprisingly, the author was English.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
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Good history lessons, Frem.
As I understand it, problems over separation of church and state didn't exist back at the beginning, where the state wasn't so extensive. If schools weren't run by the state, we would have no problems with prayer in schools or a pledge of allegiance to anything.
We're trying to keep an essential principle afloat after the state has grown into the intrusive monstrosity that it is. It doesn't work. We try to fix the problem by focusing on the "separation" issue, when we should be focusing on the "state" issue. The only way to truly separate church and state is to keep the state limited to Constitutionally mandated functions like government, courts, military, police, etc.
And it is gross and disgusting to me that after seeing cases of overt discrimination in the segment, those commentators would defend that discrimination.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky 
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Nullius in verba. (Take nobody's word.)
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And Seven, imma hafta call BS on you,
Fine, then don't be surprised when I do it right back, because I'm about to.Quote:
It would be one thing for the school to work with the students to create a uniform worn by students as a badge of school pride, with their input and suggestions, but that is NOT how it is done.
Of course it isn't done like that. Would you like to know why? Because you can't make everyone happy, that's why. One group wants it this way, one group wants it that way, the 51% majority that sets the rule pisses off the 49% that didn't, then parents get involved or the students that lost spend time running around trying to get petitions signed. And, really, what is there to work with? What kind of 'design' do you really need to have? Khakis and shirts that match the school colors. End of story, everyone matches.Quote:
They are shoved down the kids throats as a gesture of their inferiority, {edit...} and to erase all differences so that such need not be explained, explored and/or understood.
Yes, because we should just let the kids run around thinking they are on an equal power level with the faculty and staff. No one wants them to be inferior, but we do want them to respect authority. Do you get a say in how you should dress at work? Unless you're your own, do you get to tell the GM of your company exactly what way you think it should be run, and that you won't work if he doesn't do it your way? That's what you're advocating.Quote:
And for those who still buck the tide there's the outright tsunami of ritalin to bury them under medical coercion, {edited...} fix a scheme that teaches obedience rather than critical thinking, oh hell no.
What's up, Piratenews. I think ADD is a crutch, so do most teachers, and ritalin is a joke. You know who forces that down our throats? Parents, that's who. Little James doesn't do well in school because mommy never taught him to behave, and they run right out to the doctor and get ritalin so he can have an excuse. DO NOT EVER pin that shit on teachers, that's an outside issue. I can't think of the last time I EVER heard a teacher say, I think your kid needs ritalin so he can be a mindless drone. You're pinning that tain on the wrong donkey.Quote:
Very, VERY touchy issue with me, having been forcibly ejected from schools for being a critical thinker, for asking questions and for not being a nice, obedient pet animal, but rather a person who demanded the same basic respect as a human being that was being given.
And now watching my niece go through an upgraded and worse rendition of the very selfsame events because she doesn't meekly obey, because she is intelligent, curious, and creative and yet rather than rewarded by this, is actively harrassed and punished for it by the system, fills me with a blinding red rage that anyone would dare call our current system educational... well, that it may be, but what values do you think my niece is learning when she now sees adults and society as enemies ?
And here's where I call BS. You know what this post smacks of? You didn't like a certain class, and didn't want to pay attention, and you pin it on the system. I see this every day.
Let me show everyone how this plays out:
I teach English. Little Frem wants to sit in my class and draw, or sit in my class and do Sudoku when he should be following along. I say something, or write him up, or make him put it away. Suddenly I'm 'stifling the curiosity' of the gifted. Little Frem should be allowed to learn what he wants, when he wants, and if he's a math genius, then I'm in the way of his learning and am turning him into an automaton. Is that about right? Because that's what it sounds like to me. Trust me, I've heard that same thing from a hundred parents, and that's the way the story always goes. "You should respect the fact that my kid wants to be a musician/athlete/math whiz and let him work on that stuff in yNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by Khyron:
[ it went on to describe, in detail, the bicycle manufacturing industry in Southampton during the 1920s.
Not surprisingly, the author was English.
Now there's an excellent subject. My personal favorite is the Wilson-Purbright "Superior" of 1926. First practical application of a fully automatic transmission to a standard bicycle. Who knows what other great innovations Horace Wilson would have given the cycling public where it not for his tragic death in a freak crocodile juggling accident.
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Quote:Anti-Crocodile protective head gear?
Originally posted by Fletch2:
Now there's an excellent subject. My personal favorite is the Wilson-Purbright "Superior" of 1926. First practical application of a fully automatic transmission to a standard bicycle. Who knows what other great innovations Horace Wilson would have given the cycling public where it not for his tragic death in a freak crocodile juggling accident.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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That would have been a good one, yes.
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Originally posted by Khyron:Quote:I wasn't able to take Eccentricity at A levels, so I tried to teach myself by using English Eccentricity for Dummies. It wasn't quite what I expected though, because after a brief introduction to the orbital eccentricities of planets, it went on to describe, in detail, the bicycle manufacturing industry in Southampton during the 1920s.
Originally posted by Fletch2:
You're only allowed to be eccentric once you've mastered strange. We all get a basic education in strange, those that chose to pursue that to a higher level become eccentric. Trust me on this I have A levels in eccentric.
Not surprisingly, the author was English.
I thought the English Eccentricity was spanking. Gee, I was hopin' for somethin' kinky...
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