Atheism?

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FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:19 PM

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"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

-Thomas Jefferson

ANTIMASON

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:35 PM

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newoldbrowncoat-

That certainly is the problem , right there. No, it ain't a Christian nation. Never was. I thought that one had been so thoroughly debunked that no one would use it anywhere anymore.
Anything that person says after that point is tainted with absolute non-factuality.

i have to somewhat disagree with that.. christianity may not be the national religion of the US< but it was, for the first few centuries the dominant belief held among the AMerican populace- so in that respect America is/was a relatively 'christian' nation. if we're talking about our founding, i think there is a good case to be made that there was from the start an actual conflict between christianity and luciferian illuminism, which share many of the same archetypes, while not idealogically compatible. we may not be specifically christian in origin, but there is NO DOUBT that there is a fundemental religious element among Americas foundations... though this influence is not particulary christian(but masonic)

and Citizen- can you not tell by this board alone that atheism is perfectly well represented in the US? that in mind, i cant recall any time 'believers' got together and murdered an atheist .. which sounds to me like a pretty indifferent, stereotypical comment on your part. the comment about atheists not being "strong" i dont agree with either.. but then my intentions are not divisiviness

SAHARA

Thursday, February 8, 2007 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by yinyang:
SCHLUSSEL: (INAUDIBLE) Look where there are more atheists and where they've lost God, where the church is not that strong. Europe is becoming Islamist. It's fast falling and intolerance is increasing. That's the one reason our country has not become like Europe because we have strong Christians and because atheists are not strong. And I think that's a good thing.

So what are they trying to say, if we don't wipe out those nasty atheists, we'll be overrun by Islamists? That if we're not all Xians, we'll fall and become *more* intolerant? I'm so confused.

Sahara
Blackbird fly into the light of the dark, black night.

CITIZEN

Thursday, February 8, 2007 5:36 PM

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Originally posted by antimason:
and Citizen- can you not tell by this board alone that atheism is perfectly well represented in the US? that in mind, i cant recall any time 'believers' got together and murdered an atheist .. which sounds to me like a pretty indifferent, stereotypical comment on your part. the comment about atheists not being "strong" i dont agree with either.. but then my intentions are not divisiviness

I was talking about the person who made the comment. I could have just said "They don't know what they're talking about" or more sarcastically "Well they certainly know where the bears shit in the woods". But that would have been rather droll.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

ANTIMASON

Thursday, February 8, 2007 7:33 PM

then i apologize.. i seem to get a little defensive about the subject anymore.

ANTIMASON

Thursday, February 8, 2007 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by sahara:

So what are they trying to say, if we don't wipe out those nasty atheists, we'll be overrun by Islamists? That if we're not all Xians, we'll fall and become *more* intolerant? I'm so confused.

what is interesting to me is that, while taking the side of christians, they ignore the prophecy from the book which is the foundation of their beliefs. for one it says that at the end of the age, true believers will be persecuted, by a church of apostacy, and by the world and its system of the beast. the true followers of God, no matter what personal belief now, will be the people excluded from the world; not on top. besides that, Islam is not the horn of the beast, it just isnt.. it will be a western nation(already under the control of a luciferian society). a lot of christians are being decieved though by end times myths like the rapture and so on..

YINYANG

Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:25 AM

Apparently, Richard Dawkins is going to (or has alread) had an interview with Paula Zahn. The program, however, will not be aired until Monday, due to the death of Anna Nicole Smith.

It's almost funny...

Edit: Oh, and here's this:

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Something happened over the last 24 hours. Beginning last night, my inbox became populated with vile hate-mail from atheists. No skin off my back.

But it is entertaining and amusing. It's hard to believe their letters because they were all attacking me for my appearance on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now," a week ago, but coincidentally each letter claims the sender just watched me on CNN. First of all, the video of that segment appears nowhere on the net. Believe me, if it did, I'd link to it. Secondly, since I appeared on the show a week ago, that all these "seminar" e-mailers are now all e-mailing me the same basic hate message, populated with a diversity of obscene insults, it's easier to believe that they were easily brainwashed into sending me the missives as a result of an atheist blog that just put up an attack on me, yesterday.

I'm surprised these atheists would be so obedient to a higher power that told them to e-mail me since, after all, the one thing they're supposed to have in common is a lack of belief in a higher power. Well, no-one ever said atheists are consistent or immune from hypocrisy.

I don't mind receiving the atheist hate mail, since I know that in a few years, many of these same people will either be Muslim extremists (redundant) or helping the country fall further in its fight against the creep of Islamic imposition on America . . . or both.

Look at famous atheists and what happened to them. Adam Gadahn a/k/a Azzam Al-Amriki--now a top Al-Qaeda video "personality"--was raised by his hippie Jewish father and equally bizarre gentile mother as an atheist. And look how he turned out. Ditto for hippie-spawn John Walker Lindh.

Those two people are enemies of America, and many of those who think like them are of equally weak mind. If you don't believe in anything, you'll easily fall for virtual nothings. That's why Europe is so quickly turning Islamist--because atheism dominates and Christianity is rapidly dying there. Over there, the number one cause for which atheists are suddenly finding "god" is Islam.

Over here, as I pointed out on CNN, atheists are on the attack against religion and G-d only when Christians and Jews are involved, not when Muslims and Islam are. A Christian prayer at a public school graduation or football game? Send in the ACLU lawyers. A Muslim prayer at a high school football game in Dearbornistan? Suddenly, when the "Religion of Peace" is involved, atheists boast extreme tolerance and display ultimate deference. No lawsuits. Ever. And the Muslim prayers continue.

So to you hate-filled atheists a/k/a future Muslim extremists (redundant), your e-mails have no effect on me. Ditto for your creative obscenities which don't impress upon me the civility of the atheo-fascisti set.

But thanks for the material for this post. And nice try, telling me you saw me on CNN, last night. That was a week ago. Last night, was when Sean Hannity deliberately plagiarized my work on Islamic imam Husham Al-Husainy on FOX News. Different network, different show, my name clearly not mentioned (just my work ripped off by Hannity; Thanks, Sean).

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/02/when_atheists_a.html

I got it all, but the link is just for reference's sake. And, by the way, this is the blonde woman from the panel.

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:09 AM

I don't get it. Schlussel's own grandparents were Holocaust survivors. Surely she's aware of the many jews who became atheist after WWII. Are they all walking down the slippery slope to radical Islamism, as well?

And her absurd conspiracy theory about why she got the hate-mail is almost funny. Another wretched human being I didn't need to know existed. Thanks, Yinyang.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:44 AM

These women are idiots. They're no different than Oprah or Jerry or any of the other daytime talkshow people who have been poisoning the minds of people for years and laughing all the way to the bank.

I don't understand what the big deal about saying God in the pledge of allegiance is. Why can't any kid say whatever they want to there. There should be a big old blank spot in the pledge for somebody to say God, Allah, Buddah, eight-armed-elephant-god, Tony the Tiger, Pikachu, Michael Jordan or nothing at all.

.....that wouldn't go along with public school's top priority which is blanket conformity at all costs.

I think anyone should be able to pray whenever they want to. No reason that should offend anyone either. Now if I was an atheist and somebody was saying a prayer about me, wheather it was to save me or put a curse on me, I would be pretty pissed off, and well within my right to complain. My grandma prays that I find God all the time and she tells me so. I let her slide though cause she's my Grandma

As far as the masonry goes Antimason, I'm a firm believer in what you have to say, but that's just a tad off the main topic here, not a commonly shared belief, and I've been taking quite a lot of abuse on the boards recently, so I'm not really in the mood to go there now.

Good quote again Frem.

Sahara, my Grandpa would have been yelling right now. Nothing pisses off an oldschool Christian like using X in place of Christ. Some will even go as far as to say that this is masonic and the X represents the devil (X-Mas).... Suprised Antimason didn't mention it. Just a suggestion... if you really want to come off as a tolerant atheist who isn't really trying to get under religious peoples skins, you may want to refrain from using the X.... or not. That's freedom, ain't it?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

YINYANG

Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:18 PM

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Originally posted by antimason:
can you not tell by this board alone that atheism is perfectly well represented in the US?

Really? Or is it just well-represented on these boards in part because of the way religion in Firefly is portrayed, and because Joss is an atheist?

Me, I'm "surrounded" by believers. Heck, I once was a believer! So, to claim that atheism is well-represented in the U.S. strikes me as baloney. We may represent ourselves well (for the most part), but there really aren’t many of us in comparison to Christians or other theists.

Not that I mind religious people in general. I can understand wanting to believe that there is a purpose for existence, and that there is something after death. I can understand wanting to have "the Big Guy" on your side. I can also understand if a person's been raised to be religious and wishes to remain so. It’s when they try to legislate their beliefs, or interfere with people’s daily lives, that I take offense.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
These women are idiots. They're no different than Oprah or Jerry or any of the other daytime talkshow people who have been poisoning the minds of people for years and laughing all the way to the bank.

Normally I'd agree with you - but because this is on a major news outlet, these women carry somewhat more authority than talk show hosts.

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I don't understand what the big deal about saying God in the pledge of allegiance is. Why can't any kid say whatever they want to there. There should be a big old blank spot in the pledge for somebody to say God, Allah, Buddah, eight-armed-elephant-god, Tony the Tiger, Pikachu, Michael Jordan or nothing at all.

.....that wouldn't go along with public school's top priority which is blanket conformity at all costs.

And here I thought public school's top priority was to rake in money (or, in a few places, to actually educate). Although blanket conformity certainly would make it easier for teachers to teach, and for the boards of education to get the numbers they want, I don't think the intent of things like uniforms is necessarily malicious. It's not good, either, but the main concern of parents and teachers should be that the public school system is being run like a business, or a training ground for future factory workers.

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I think anyone should be able to pray whenever they want to. No reason that should offend anyone either.

That's fair, and normally it wouldn't offend me, either (if they want to waste energy trying to "save" my soul, it's not like I can stop them). But, the kind of prayer in public schools I think the woman was talking about was prayer that accompanies the Pledge of Allegiance (which I think is a silly thing; pledging loyalty to fabric rather than actually demonstrating any real allegiance to the country itself - but of course you could argue that it's because I don't care for patriotism, which has its own topic). Needless to say, me no likee.

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Just a suggestion... if you really want to come off as a tolerant atheist who isn't really trying to get under religious peoples skins, you may want to refrain from using the X.... or not. That's freedom, ain't it?

Doesn't saying Xtian have more syllables in it than Christian, anyway? Of course, most people don't say Xtian, but... it's only an extra four letters anyway. Guess that's just another abbreviation that I don't understand.

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