The Third HEROES thread
POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:21
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I finally got to watch Heroes last night after recording it Monday. All I can say is "Wow"! Definitely the best episode of the season.
So, Ted is getting pretty unstable. Glad that Matt, Claire and Bennett were able to keep his damage to a minimum. Still fuzzy on why his getting shot caused him to lose control of his power. I thought at first maybe it was something akin to a containment breach, but discarded that thought as Claire drugging him & knocking him out caused his power to subside.
I really liked the look into Bennett's past. So we know that Hiro's father is tied in with this mysterious cabal that is aware of the heroes. Mr Nakamura doesn't seem all too pleasant a person. Did they stage the fire to get rid of Claire's mom. Obviously they knew Claire's mom had abilities or they would not have even know about her or Claire, let alone watching them. Did they get Claire out of the fire before she was hurt? There is more story there to be told.
I liked the backstory on Claude. We now know why he is hiding and so paranoid of Bennett and his group. Can't say I was really liking Bennett too much when he shot Claude on the orders of his secretive group. Claude was trying to protect a hero & wonder which one. Could it be one of the ones we know or another one?
Does Nakumura know his son has abilities? Is Hiro "adopted" like Claire? I get the feeling he is not, but I don't really have anything to back that up.
I agree that Bennett was elevated in my eyes a bit with his love of Claire and the lengths he is going to to protect her and keep her away from the shadow company. He is still shady and that "moral grey area" he works in still makes him less than a good guy in my opinion, but he obviously is not a souless bastard.
I don't think his telling the Haitian to "go deep" means he is having all memory of Claire removed, just any info that might implicate his involvement in Claire's disappearance. Obviously the Haitian can not remove all knowledge of Claire as the rest of the Bennett family still remembers, as do neighbors and the school. Wonder where the Haitian plans on taking her.
What about Matt? He seems to be a prisoner in the underground complex of Bennett. Will he set Matt free too or is Matt now forced to work for Bennett?
Can't wait for next week!
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Still fuzzy on why his getting shot caused him to lose control of his power.
My take on that is that it is a panic reaction. Several of the Heroes throw their powers out in uncontrolled responses when their lives are threatened (Peter being a notable example). Perhaps the adrenaline rush caused him to lose control, just as a nonHero might have a flight-or-fight response to a threat.
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I don't think his telling the Haitian to "go deep" means he is having all memory of Claire removed
"Go deep" could also refer to going into deep cover, as when The Haitian takes Claire underground he'd better go so far that none of the resources of the agency can track them. I tend to think that would be an impossibility, especially as they have specials working with them, some voluntarily, some involuntarily.
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And Stegasaurus, that is one phenomenal list! Did you find all those on your own? You are extremely detail-oriented if so. 
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nah, I Wiki'ed it.
As for the "Go Deep" comment, he's used it on several occasions to tell the Haitian to remove memories. To me, it meant he wanted the Haitian to remove not only his recent memories, but likely the memory of his feelings towars Claire as well.
I get the feeling that while Matt is the only one so far that can read thoughts, it is probable that they have an empath or two on staff. Since Claire is now getting away, that will put Bennet under scrutiny, and he doesn't want the cabal to find out. Also, the Haitian will have to remmove memories of himself from Bennet's mind, as Bennet and Claire are the only ones who know he can speak.
Bennet's trying to cover their tracks. And thus far he's been working under the premise that he has no love for Claire in the eyes of the cabal. If for one second they think he truely loved her, his life would be forfeit, because they would be able to figure out the whole coverup.
Again, this is just my take on what we've seen thusfar. I'm excited and cannot wait to see how this will unfold. 
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Bennett used the phrase “go deep” in this context when he had the Haitian wipe the mind of Brody, the dude who tried to rape Claire earlier in the season. In that situation, Brody was left with no memories of even himself; of course Bennett also qualified the statement with the phrase “take everything.”
So I’m not sure how much damage the Haitian did or was instructed to do. It could be that the Haitian really did wipe the last 15 years from Bennett’s mind or that he just took the last few months or years, but clearly it is and was intended to be a very considerable fraction of memory.
And now that Bennett true nature has been exposed, I’ll pontificate on my impressions of the character:
I don’t think that Bennett was thinking of protecting himself when he gave the Haitian the order. I think he was thinking of Claire and probably his wife and son. Bennett states that the reason he wants his memory erased is to eliminate anything that could lead them to Claire. Claire is the gravity that defines Bennett.
Bennett is really the most intriguing character, because he is so well rounded and not bound by hackneyed heroic notions of right and wrong. Contrary to what seems to be a common direction of thought with regard to Mr. Bennett, he is not a selfish or uncaring man. Yes, he has no problem with the “grey area,” but we’ve known that all along. Yet that doesn’t make someone a bad guy, nor does it preclude someone from being a good guy. In truth, most people, however much they may wish to deny it, would be willing to trudge through the “grey area” themselves. It is a consequence of the flawed world in which we live. But we shouldn't confuse a willingness to operate within a morally ambiguous system with being morally ambiguous. Bennett has never shown any confusion about his mission. Although it may appear grey to us, Bennett has a very clearly defined value system.
In the real world heroes and villains often walk the same fine line; what separate them ultimately are their intentions. The puritanical notion of good is strictly idealistic, and when taken to an extreme can manifest itself with quite sinister consequences. This has been Claire’s problem all along. She sees the world through the eyes of a 15 year old girl in shades of black and white, and that is why she misjudged her father. But he is very heroic – in that way that Mal is heroic, not superman. He is not always right, nor does he have any illusions about the consequences of his actions. But his intentions are defined by a selfless belief in what is right and he struggles with the conflict between doing what is right, understanding what is right and protecting those he loves. Sure you can find fictional heroes portrayed in a much grander and innocent fashion, but this is boring. What interests me is a hero who operates within the confines of a flawed world and suffers from his own failings, because this makes this hero more real.
I use superman as an example of the purely good hero, but even that is a figment of political correctness. In reality, superman from the early comic books fought villains with a degree of callousness that could easily be described as “grey area.” And of course batman, who would develop into a purely good hero, was certainly a very dark and morally questionable figure in the beginning, as were most comic book heroes. So ethically challenged behavior and heroism are not mutually exclusive.
Ultimately, whether Bennett continues to be a hero will depend on his future intentions. The villains are not clearly defined, as is often the case. Sylar is obviously villainous in an absolute sort of way, but the paper cabal for which Bennett also works is villainous in the context that it has been presented, though less well defined. Bennett is a hero, not because of his sympathetic nature, but because he fights against the villainous paper cabal. Granted, he doesn’t fight them in the tradition sense of direct opposition, but more like a double agent, although his reasons for the fight are personal,
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I think the agency's goals are exactly what they say they are: to protect the world from the dangers that mutants represent (as so helpfully demonstrated by Sylar, Ted, Hana, and [recently] Peter). That's why they tag-and-release the mutants, and only lock up the dangerous ones --and why they're willing to allow mutants to work with them to a point. They're basically "mutant law enforcement." As long as you don't use your powers or rock the boat, they'll keep you under observation but they won't take you down.
They seem kinda like the STNJ in Witch Hunter Robin: they include "witches" and "seeds" (witches who haven't yet manifested an ability) among them, but the price of being on the inside is that you can never leave. You stay a Hunter until you either die or go rogue (and are hunted down in turn).
Keeping themselves secret prevents anyone from creating an organized resistance.
BTW, the trouble with the Haitian completely erasing Claire is that it would require erasing Lyle and Claire's mom (which I doubt Bennet would condone at this point), as well as Bennet's boss, Ted, and Matt (none of whom the Haitian had access to).
At this point, no one will deny that Bennet loves his daughter, but he'll still be expected to do the job, regardless of personal feelings.
They're obviously setting it up to look like Bennet was intercepted by the Haitian while in the process of getting rid of Claire. The Haitian surprised Bennet and either escaped with Claire or on his own after Claire was killed.
Only thing he'd need to get rid of is Bennet's awareness of the plan. Say, everything after the explosion at the house.
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Okay, you're all right. I just watched it again and the line is, "Go deep. Take anything that would lead them to her."
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Great episode. Just wanted to say that again. Two little tidbits that I heard and saw that I think you guys might get a kick out of.
In Mondays upcoming episode with the reveal of Linderman, he'll be played by another geek friendly actor whose made a name for himself for playing villains past and present. I don't want to ruin it for those who don't listen to the 10th Wonder podcast, but those who have know who I'm talking about.
And second bit is this photo I found of Claire at the recent New York Comic-Con. Clearly the look on her face indicates that appearing at cons has something of a learning curve attached to it.
I know now that our BDH's are pros at these cons, but I wonder if they've ever felt like her. Maybe Jewel should give her some pointers.
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She recently appeared on Late Night with Conan O'brien and talked about her interesting experiences at a convention. Particularly the segment of fandom that has trouble distinguishing between an actor and the character they play. Conan joked that she just alienated every fan of the show and would soon be killed off by the writers. She made a great recovery by saying that she was looking forward to other upcoming conventions that she would be attending.
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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
And even though Chris Eccleston only showed up in the last 30 seconds, he definitly made an entrance. I can't think of an invisible superhero. Or do you think he'll be a bad guy? Either way...
You know you're in geek paradise when Doctor Who and Mr. Sulu guest on your show.
Chris Eccleston's presence was the only reason I started watching the show (he's the best!), but it's turned out really well...I'm hooked! Not to mention that Eccleston's character kicks ass!
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