Ranty Rant

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, January 11, 2007 23:08
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CHRISISALL

Monday, January 8, 2007 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
If I've earned any credibility with you at all, read the book.

You have, and I'll ask for it for my birthday- coming up soon (But I think my father-in-law has it...hmmmm)

Endless oil reserve hoarding Chrisisall

SERYN

Monday, January 8, 2007 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by seryn:
Wouldn't the flame thrower be put to better use on the White house?

Careful--don't want to go confusing the office with the office-holder!

well i did originally write something on how it should'nt be used on the White house its self, as it was a very pretty office chock full of furnishings and antiques paid for by the american taxpayer.

I was going to suggest he just use it on Bushes bed while Bush was in it - the bed could be put down as acceptable loss.

But that was a trifle sour sounding i thought, so i didn't say it.

Yes, confusing the office with the office holder was the gunpowder plotters mistake wasn't it? If they'd just poisoned the water supply it would have been all done in no time with no loss of historic buildings.

Men!

Isn't sanity really a one trick pony, anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy...ooh hoo hoo hoo... the skys the limit!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

CAUSAL

Monday, January 8, 2007 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by seryn:
I was going to suggest he just use it on Bushes bed while Bush was in it - the bed could be put down as acceptable loss.

Good to know that you're no longer planning to incinerate public property, but murder--eek. Can't we just publicly humiliate him and then give him 40 lashes with a wet noodle? Maybe try him? The whole let's kill him thing freaks me out a bit.

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REDLAVA

Monday, January 8, 2007 8:27 PM

Watch the documentary Why We Fight and that will pretty much explain half of your rant.

And if Bush bites the big one, then we will have Cheney to deal with. (Redlava shudders)

PDCHARLES

Monday, January 8, 2007 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
If I've earned any credibility with you at all, read the book.
You have, and I'll ask for it for my birthday- coming up soon (But I think my father-in-law has it...hmmmm)

Endless oil reserve hoarding Chrisisall

Here ya go. Good stuff. Books preview.

May comment later on the rantiness but, I'm sticking with ignorance is bliss while working.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Fbpjdj8wwRYC&dq=Twilight+of+American+
Culture&pg=PP1&ots=T6b7BA1K4H&sig=SRKIzhaJw7m5LWolXCd7eiRIwAE&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3DTwilight%2Bof%2BAmerican%2BCulture&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=1#PPA15,M1

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Monday, January 8, 2007 9:22 PM

I have a theory that if you start to make too much sense ,lightining will strike... please be carefull

Bryce
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CITIZEN

Monday, January 8, 2007 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm so sick of this war crap, whatever happened to competativeness? We used to invent stuff in America, now we just outsource and invade! What are we gonna do when oil runs out? It's already started- wells will be played out 40 years...or less...
We need to be more productive!!! We need to move ahead on hydrogen, and solar; we need Joss to make more FF movies; we need to invent more cool stuff that the world can't do without!! We need to educate kids, not send 'em to foreign lands to secure a diminishing staple of energy!!! We need new, clean sources of energy!! We need more spacelabs!! We need less Cheneys and Bushs!! We need more Buffy comics!!Why the F**K isn't this gorram world on track??? I like to blow s**t up like the rest of us, but we need to begin thinking as ONE world here, before it becomes the world-that-was....or Earth-that-usta-be, you know???? NeoCons frak yourselves!!!
OH, I'M OUTTA CONTROL HERE!!!
WAAAAAAAY OUTA CONTROL!!!!!

Oh. Fresh fudge....

GRRR ARGHisall

You forgot the twisted soul.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

SERYN

Monday, January 8, 2007 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by seryn:
I was going to suggest he just use it on Bushes bed while Bush was in it - the bed could be put down as acceptable loss.

Good to know that you're no longer planning to incinerate public property, but murder--eek. Can't we just publicly humiliate him and then give him 40 lashes with a wet noodle? Maybe try him? The whole let's kill him thing freaks me out a bit.

You're squeamish about murder in a country where the death penalty still exists and a substantial portion of the population owns a gun?

People'd go out and shoot a bear that had killed people without a thought...

But hey, thats way too political and has no place in talk story - I was simply presented with the option of a flamethrower and suggested another use for it - big picture thinking I think it's called.

Isn't sanity really a one trick pony, anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy...ooh hoo hoo hoo... the skys the limit!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

CAUSAL

Monday, January 8, 2007 11:22 PM

Speaking of rants...

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Originally posted by seryn:
You're squeamish about murder in a country where the death penalty still exists and a substantial portion of the population owns a gun?

Why, yes I am! Not to get overly philosophical-jargon-y, but murder is not co-extensive with killing. That is, there is some killing that is not murder. Is killing in self-defense murder? Of course not. What about killing in war (leaving the present-war politics aside)? Nope, at least, not as far as I see it. Is it murder when a cop shoots someone who's shooting up a strip mall? Would it have been murder if a passenger on one of the 9/11 jets had killed the hijackers? I mean, seriously, you can't be suggesting that all killing is murder. Murder seems to involve the idea that it is killing without sanction--that is, unjustified killing. Unless you're the most committed pacifist ever, you've got to admit that there are at least some instances where killing is not murder.

In the second place, I fail to see what gun ownership has to do with being squeamish about murder. I don't even hunt; I just tear up paper targets, carboard boxes, and soda cans. I'm proud to say I've never accidentally shot anyone with any of my firearms, nor has anyone shot anyone playing with my guns, nor have my guns ever shot anyone all on their own. I resent the implication that private firearms ownership should somehow make me OK about murdering someone.

In the third place, what has the death penalty and private firearms ownership got to do with my moral commitments? Just because we live in what you seem to take to be a murderous society doesn't mean that I should condone murder, and it certainly doesn't mean that you should feel justified in contemplating it (even casually). The mere fact that someone else has violated moral obligations does not subsequently justify another individual in doing the same. It's both logically fallacious and just contrary to common sense--hell, there's even a cliche for it: two wrongs don't make a right.

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People'd go out and shoot a bear that had killed people without a thought...

If you're suggesting that killing a bear constitutes murder (and I'm not sure you are), we seem to have problems with delimiting what constitutes murder. As I understand it, from both an ethical and a legal standpoint, the killing of an animal does not constitute murder. One could certainly be unjustified in killing an animal, but that doesn't amount to murder (as the unjustified killing of a human being would). You'd certainly face censure if you unjustifiedly killed an animal, but no one (except for the more extreme animal rights folks) would call that a murder.

I think it's more likely that you're suggesting that like the bear, Bush has killed people without a thought. But Bush isn't a bear--he's a man. Humans are moral creatures (the philosophy of logical positivists notwithstanding) and as such we are accountable for our actions. You don't kill the bear because he's committed moral atrocities--you kill the bear because he's dangerous. Humans, on the other hand, you might kill because they've committed moral atrocities. But that doesn't mean you get to take the matter into your own hands and flame-thrower the Bushes. There's a term for that--vigilante justice. It's condemned in most civilized cultures. Why? Because if a person is going to be deprived of their life because of the seriousness of their transgression, we want to have an accounting for the fact that such a punishment really is necessary. With such an account, the killing of the offender becomes a justified killing (on the account of the death penalty advocates), but without such an accounting, all you've got is unjustified killing--murder.

I don't mean to vent on you, Seryn--I like you, and usually enjoy your contributions. I just see the flame-thrower-ing of the Bushes as emblematic of something that concerns me: that is, the unqualified hatred that some on the left fe

SERYN

Monday, January 8, 2007 11:58 PM

Despite having said already that this wasn't really the place to talk of such things...

To me its very simple - theres killing for survival, and theres killing for fun and profit.
Killing for survival is often regrettable but necessary - what a lion does to feed its young and a cop does to protect people from an insane gunman or something.
Then theres killing for fun and profit - what people do cause it amuses them, or cause the other has something they want, or cause they think they know better... that to me is murder.
So yeah, a guy in an orange hat killin bears on his weekends, thats murder, a guy sending three thousand troops to their deaths with wild stories and an oil lust? thaaats murder....

But no, in answer to what i think one of your questions was, no i don't believe i have a right to march into the White House and kill the president for the crimes he's commited.

See, it was what is called a joke. J O K E - it means something said in jest - not actually meant. To be funny or silly, and intended to make people laugh.
Honestly, they need to get humour HTML in this place.

One last thing, gun are designed to kill people, quickly and cheaply. If all all of you ever want to do with 'all of your firearms' is harras innocent paper targets, why are you not just using straws and paper blobs - much less contorversial.

But, yes, apologies to everyone. It was a joke, meant to be funny, it misfired, sorry, i'm stopping right... here.

Isn't sanity really a one trick pony, anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy...ooh hoo hoo hoo... the skys the limit!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

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