what is up with battlestar galactica?

POSTED BY: strokingmypeter
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STROKINGMYPETER

Monday, January 1, 2007 1:29 AM

what is with so many people, particularly joss, being in love with battlestar galactica? i think it's freaking horrible. it sucks so much. the writing is awful, the acting wooden and lame, and the special effects suck. it's all around horrific.

CALHOUN

Monday, January 1, 2007 3:22 AM

BACK THE TRUCK UP!!

Maybe you should go watch your "Golden Girls" reruns.

CHINDI

Monday, January 1, 2007 3:59 AM

ah well, to each their own..

Chindi

ECGORDON

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:01 AM

I'm sure there are a few people who might think Firefly is horrible, and they would be wrong about that too. Just because something does not appeal to you does not automatically mean it is not good. Granted, there have been a few weak episodes, but right now it's the best SF show on the air.

VERTEBREAKER

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
right now it's the best SF show on the air.

QFT. Battlestar is amazing. I really, really have a hard time believing someone could legitimately classify it as "horrible". It IS the best science-fiction show in a Firefly-less TV 'Verse.

BLUEEYEDBRIGADIER

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:13 AM

Now now...don't go dissing the SFX for BSG, you logflogger! It's done by the same people who did Firefly and Serenity's effects. At least the vehcile and space effects..

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:18 AM

I've only seen a handfull of episodes as my schedule hasn't allowed for much TV watching, but what I've seen is spectacular. The plots and sub-plots keep you involved and are intruiging.

The only BSG production that even remotely resembles your description is the mini-series. It was rather 2 dimentional.

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CMOTD

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:24 AM

At least the acting in BSG isn't as bad as the acting In Babylon five.

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CMOTD

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:27 AM

Does anyone else get the feeling that president Rosilin taught them in Elementry school.

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SIGMANUNKI

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:28 AM

Perhaps the people in this thread could let me in on something. Why do you feed the trolls?

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LEADB

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:55 AM

Keeps 'em from gnawing on your foot.

I just got the DVD for season one, and I'm pretty darn happy with BSG. About 1/4 way thru... thinking about ordering season 2.

VERTEBREAKER

Monday, January 1, 2007 5:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Why do you feed the trolls?

It's fun?

Don't know about you, but messing with trolls...well...twixts my nethers, so to speak.

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, January 1, 2007 8:25 AM

Just because someone states that they do not like a show does not mean they are a troll.....if he made these negative comments on a Battlestar message board then maybe troll might apply...but it does not apply here...this is a Firefly message board. Also, typically trolls post stuff to enrage people and then they usually attack their attackers....he has not done that, at least so far.

For what it's worth I happen to agree with him. Many of you sound like you watch Battlestar because there's little else new to watch, and that gives you justification to bash his opinions....most un-shiny!

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Monday, January 1, 2007 8:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
For what it's worth I happen to agree with him. Many of you sound like you watch Battlestar because there's little else new to watch, and that gives you justification to bash his opinions....most un-shiny!

Actually, I don't read a single post on here that implies that people only watch it because it's all that's on. Most of the one's I have read state very clearly that people believe it's the best sci-fi series on, so save your judgements and get off your high horse. And no one bashed him or his opinions (except maybe CALHOUN. and what BLUEEYEDBRIGADIER said was a play on his screen name), they simply disagreed, which is completely in their capacity to do, as STROKINGMYPETER had posed a question they felt like answering.

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FEDEXXX

Monday, January 1, 2007 10:01 AM

I like BSG, but I'm not in love with it. My taste is for more original and different shows, BSG is a classic main-stream!

GRIZWALD

Monday, January 1, 2007 2:22 PM

I just love it, totally without reservation.

But as I see everything since Firefly, I see it as about 3 notches down from Firefly... Everything is in relation to Firefly. Heroes? About 5 notches below Firefly. And I still love Heroes, too. Firefly is waaaaay up there.

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GWEK

Monday, January 1, 2007 4:51 PM

Gotta say, I think BSG is good, but I don't agree with the folks who think it's amazing. The overall story is cool, but--with a few exceptions like Baltar and Tigh--I think the cast is pretty wooden and boring (this is less about the actors and more about the writing). Also, as a fan of shows like Firefly and Stargate, it almost physically hurts how unrelentingly humorless BSG is.

Good show? Yep. Best sci fi on TV? Nah. I'd rate Heroes, Doctor Who, and Supernatural higher.

But to each his own.

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ZISKER

Monday, January 1, 2007 6:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
BSG is a classic main-stream!

Bingo - they're pretty open about it too. I keep reading interviews where they state that their target audience is the one watching House or Desperate Housewives or those main-stream shows. That's why Sci Fi has kept the show around - and, to be fair, some friends who wouldn't touch SF with a ten foot pole like BSG because it's a space opera.

I like BSG because of the Roslin-Adama dynamic. I like the characters and I'm interested to see what will happen between them. I used to like the Baltar-Number Six relationship when she was inside his head, but that's been shot to hell for me since Season 3 began.

Nonetheless, I eagerly await 21 Jan. Although this isn't the kind of SF that I'm usually crazy about, it's a good enough show to spend time watching.

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DERANGEDMILK

Monday, January 1, 2007 7:18 PM

I think its only mainstream in the sense that they aren't targeting a science fiction audience exclusively. They show focuses on issues that someone who watches mainstream TV would be interested in. Political, social, relationship issues, basic moral dilemas. But these issues all ride on incredibly well written and produced drama. Unlike Star Trek (huge Trekkie btw so don't think I'm knocking it) it doesn't get wrapped up in a lot of the science behind the science and fiction nor does it tackle very abstract ethical issues.

Anyway, glad to see so many defending BSG on this thread. IMO, best show on TV. PERIOD. Not best scifi show, best show. I like heroes but it in my eyes it isn't quite on par. If I had to call a second it'd probably be The Office although I think the new Studio 60 has a lot of potential.
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SIGMANUNKI

Monday, January 1, 2007 7:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Just because someone states that they do not like a show does not mean they are a troll.....if he made these negative comments on a Battlestar message board then maybe troll might apply...but it does not apply here...this is a Firefly message board.

Actually it DOES apply. Or haven't you noticed that there is an "Other Science Fiction Series" forum here? Haven't you noticed that there are many many discussion about other Sci-Fi series (included BSG) for some time now? For that matter, almost everything tends to end up in general discussions for some reason.

If (s)he wasn't a troll, then (s)he would've posted reasons for why they believe that way.

http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html

This thread was clearly created to "stir the s**t." How can the original poster's post be interpreted any other way? Especially with the name "strokingmypeter".

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Also, typically trolls post stuff to enrage people and then they usually attack their attackers....he has not done that, at least so far.

Although it is true that the typical troll in the past continues to attack people that reply, here and recently on other forums that I participate in, the troll posts one comment and then goes away to watch the mess that (s)he creates.

Please note that the definition given about does NOT require the troll to produce follow-up posts.

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

For what it's worth I happen to agree with him. Many of you sound like you watch Battlestar because there's little else new to watch, and that gives you justification to bash his opinions....most un-shiny!

And like the OP, you fail to give any reasons what-so-ever.

For that matter, what gives you the right to bash us for our opinions? Most un-shiny yourself, or in other words, I'm calling you a hypocrite.

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PIRATECAT

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 11:24 AM

Ah I found a friend lets go eat some chicken wings together. BSG was only good when Starbuck had balls.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:03 PM

The show was once very good, it once was top rated but now the ratings have fallen like a rock. Yet still Univseral have been a lot more loyal to BSG than Faux folk were ever with Firefly.

RDM is a very talented writer and the show has some wonderful director like David Eick. Battlestar Galactica was a great show - If you are watching any of the garbage that is Season-3, then it is likley you are watching a horrible re-imagined version of a re-imaged BSG ( which was once a top show). Go back and watch the mini ( the pilot movie ) or download Season 1 to see what once was a great show. Starbuck wasn't so messed up back then, sure she was 'fraked-up' but at least as a pilot she got to do great things once in a while. Now her character is just a Slutbuck, who goes around getting her buddies killed and slacks on the job. The actress Katee has had some issues over the summer about her character, this 'issue' was more than just the hair and more about what kind of road Kara would go down, a lot of folk weren't sure what see was on about back then but now many understand what she was saying.

The show has started to 'jump the shark' - the Re-imagined of the Re-imaged include : Admiral Adama who lost his cojones, Roslin's cure by Cylon juice, Anders the idiot who married a tramp, Dee the victim who will next be seen in torn raggy clothes scrubbing the Decks of Galactica while her prince goes to the prom, Kara StarDrunk Thrace, Cylons that are no longer bad and scary but instead take part in menage à trois threesomes, Colonial suicide bombers, Lee Adama the punchbag (aka JarJar Adama), Helo the hippie, Tigh the pirate who doesn't have a peg-leg.

Just check the pics on the websites - Yes, it's jumped the shark tank like Fonzie.

Even the die-hard BSG fans ain't happy about the show's direction in the third season.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:09 PM

Season 1 and 2 kicked ass.

Season 3... meh

Season 3.5... hoping for better.

strokingmypeter...... UberPUD. We should all get together and chip in to get him a glass stomach so he doesn't bump into everything walkin around with his head stuck so far up his ass.

I shit on the floor and most people would call it shit... hell, even I'll call it shit, but you can bet your ass there'll be flys and bacteria all over that shit pretty damn quick. Go watch your Star Wars and play with your legos and let the adults watch Battlestar. Maybe you'll get it when you're older.

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PIRATECAT

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:29 PM

Jayneztown what are you trying to do kill me. I just choked on a chicken bone. I am in to the os cheese factory cause its good. When I watch the new BSG all I want to do is jump in the shower. I feel dirty. If they jump into earth system I say we turn the lights out come on. Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer were all good shipmates. Adama and Tye were man's man with leadership. A sense of family ties with blue sqd, gold sqd, red sqn. on and on. I feel like our officiers are Jackasses. It needs cleaning up. Ya know the human race is on the line.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:29 PM

Me personally, I have liked BSG. The first two seasons were good, the first part of this season was so-so for me. Some weak episodes, but for the most part it has been good so far. Looking forward to the second half of the season.

I do not watch it because it is the only thing on. I would turn the television off and read a book before I would watch bad tv, even bad sci fi.

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KEYOKE

Wednesday, January 3, 2007 4:00 PM

To be honest, so far for me the weakest episodes were in Season 2.

Sure, the characters have all become more and more "fracked up" but thats only to be expected with what they've been through?

What im seeing is a more human portrayal of a situation, rahter than the standard Sci-Fi heroes who come out of such tramatic situations without the slightest hint that they've been affected, what we're seeing is a crew becoming more and more unstable and unable to function because they're not handling the extremes that they're going through.

I'll admit that the acting has gotten a bit wooden here and there, but you really can't fault the writing because your heroes are showing some humanity once. For me, that very quality is what I liked about Firefly. The fact that the characters were human, not some unbeatable heroes. Things can get to them, and i've enjoyed watching Starbucks downfall as she struggles to cope with her emotions and the termoil she's in.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

I do not watch it because it is the only thing on. I would turn the television off and read a book before I would watch bad tv, even bad sci fi.

It's going off the air for a while as the Superbowl takes over

DAYVE

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:46 PM

does anyone remember the original....? i thought that was a pretty lame piece of work - and i suppose that's jaded my view of the new BSG a bit - i tried to watch it - honestly - i can't say i'm a fan - as far as the 'best sci-fi on tv'.... that's not saying much, as there is very little of that genre on the air these days...

OPERATIVE1985

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by strokingmypeter:
what is with so many people, particularly joss, being in love with battlestar galactica? i think it's freaking horrible. it sucks so much. the writing is awful, the acting wooden and lame, and the special effects suck. it's all around horrific.

WOW. Someone isnt able to form actual opinions!

BSG is a great show. Although lately i think the plot is getting a little convoluted. But you made no good points and this was a worthless rant.

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IREMIST

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:32 PM

I think I oughta change my login to NO POLITICS!
I 'm just here to have fun and to help the cause(in my own special way).
that bein said, I don't particularly like BSG, but I do have to give props for being visually interesting, at times.
I also find the "Poster" (I refuse to use his vulgar login name) to be overly blunt and crass and would like to say "you're bringin' us down, Man!"

STORYMARK

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:01 PM

I love BSG. Not only do I think it's the best scifi on TV right now, but I think it's the best series on, period.

I have really enjoyed how they delve more and more into reflecting current events. Calling it just a "Space Opera" is a disservice. BSG has the old-school sci-fi I've been craving in a series for years.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:11 AM

Totally Frakked: Will We Ever Get A "Battlestar Galactica" Movie?
http://blog.meevee.com/my_weblog/2007/06/totally_frakked_6.html

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PARTICIPANT

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by strokingmypeter:
what is with so many people, particularly joss, being in love with battlestar galactica?

I hate to break this to you guys but Joss is human, he isn't some kind of demi-god or magical wizard who has answers to everything.

Firefly is the best and most loved tv show

but Joss is human, he makes mistakes

His work on Alien:Resurrection was bellow par when compared to the great work of Cameron and Scott, I didn't care for the boring series Roseanne and his stuff on Atlantis:The Lost Empire was kind of average.

Many people not just Joss had tipped the remake of BSG to become one best tv shows, but it de-evolved into a poor series with a dark soap opera and forced political agendas and remember how we were all forced to endure how the Cylons have a plan every single episode. That is what is is up with battlestar galactica.

KHYRON

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by participant:
but Joss is human, he makes mistakes

His work on Alien:Resurrection was bellow par when compared to the great work of Cameron and Scott, I didn't care for the boring series Roseanne and his stuff on Atlantis:The Lost Empire was kind of average.

OT, but apart from Firefly, I'm not at all a Joss fan, in fact I find him rather pretentious and annoying. To me, his opinion on other shows counts for very little. Having said that, BSG is pretty good overall. But having said that, I enjoy Lost and Heroes more (Lost because of the excellent second half to the third season).

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REAVERMAN

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:10 PM

Battlestar Galactica WAS the best show on TV, right up until that boxing episode early in season 3. After that it all went downhill. It just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. It's (in my humble opinion) straying too far into the realm of mysticism, which makes it more and more unbelievable by the episode.

And the filler episodes they've put out are just terrible. The one where there's a disease going around the ship, and one of the doctors is killing Sagittarons, for example. The most interesting parts of that episode were when they would show a brief view of the outside of the ship after the commercial breaks. And I know some of you are going to say that that is to show that Humanity is it's own worst enemy. But they've already shown that in every episode since the Pegasus showed up. We get the frakking point!

But as for the acting, I thought it was alright. The only wooden acting I saw was from Jamie Bamber, and he's been like that through the whole series, so I'm used to it.

One problem I've had with the series from the start, though, is the utter lack of humor. Now, I understand that they have lost almost everything they ever cared about, and they're constantly on the run, but the same can be said of Mal. And Mal had a healthy sense of humor. BSG, while well written (for the most part), is soul-crushingly dark, which makes it more and more difficult to watch without wanting to cut yourself as it goes.

Overall, it's a decent series, and was, for a while, a welcome change from the typical sci-fi utopian vision of the future, but has simply run out of really good plotlines.

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STARTROOP

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:15 PM

Hmmmmm .... I have bought Seasons I and II and enjoyed them. They didn't "transport" me they way Firefly and Serenity. By that I mean, all I thought while watching BSG is "Good TV" not "Holy Cow! How do I get more!". I am hearing the vibe that the next CD isn't worth my hard earned dollars? (I am back in grad school again an so watching network TV is NOT an option)

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I love BSG. Not only do I think it's the best scifi on TV right now, but I think it's the best series on, period.

Dude, have you seen Rescue Me? I'd say it's better than BSG. By a little, anyway.

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CRUITHNE3753

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Reaverman:
One problem I've had with the series from the start, though, is the utter lack of humor.

Actuall, there is a little, just not much (at least in the first season, that's all I've seen). The scene where Baltar is furtively talking with Gaeta in the toilets did raise a chortle, especially with the corny "no more Mr nice Gaius!" line. Also the bit where Number Six threatened Baltar with "don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry!"... depends if you know the reference.

KHYRON

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:31 PM

I thought the "paper shortage" quip was hilarious.

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PARTICIPANT

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
does anyone remember the original....? i thought that was a pretty lame piece of work - and i suppose that's jaded my view of the new BSG a bit - i tried to watch it - honestly - i can't say i'm a fan - as far as the 'best sci-fi on tv'.... that's not saying much, as there is very little of that genre on the air these days...

4400 and Heroes are better than BSG, the series jumped the shark with iraqtica, the soap and the whole final five thing

CALHOUN

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 AM

Quote:
chrisisall wrote:
Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:33
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Originally posted by Storymark:
I love BSG. Not only do I think it's the best scifi on TV right now, but I think it's the best series on, period.

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Dude, have you seen Rescue Me? I'd say it's better than BSG. By a little, anyway.

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SINGATE

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:00 AM

The last few episodes leading up to and including the finale redeemed what had been a fairly unremarkable season. Going to agree with Chris on this one, Rescue Me is the better show at present. As another poster suggested BSG isn't even the best sci-fi on TV after this past season.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by strokingmypeter:
what is with so many people, particularly joss, being in love with battlestar galactica? i think it's freaking horrible. it sucks so much. the writing is awful, the acting wooden and lame, and the special effects suck. it's all around horrific.

What? Don't make me break out my whip...

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:

Surely you jest?

I'm not jesting.

And don't call me Shirley Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
As another poster suggested BSG isn't even the best sci-fi on TV after this past season.

The set-up on BSG was provocative, the execution and visuals are superb, the music and actors are peerless, but ... they have no plan.

I get the definite sense that Edward James Olmos was unhappy with the direction (or lack thereof), and MADE them declare the 4th season to be the last, in hopes of getting the writers back on track.
A bold move on his part, if true.

Toaster Chrisisall

DEATHISMYGIFT

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:36 PM

I'm new to Battlestar Galactica. My CSTS weekend was more than amazing. I got to be Jane Espenson's assistant the entire weekend and I promised her I would start watching Battlestar. Seventeen days later I have gone through Seasons 1, 2.0, and 2.5. I am anxiously awaiting the release of season three so I can tune in for season four. Le sigh, I can't believe I've waiting this long to watch it AND it took someone from the writing staff to convince me! hahaha, But I do not regret committing to it. It's made me appreciate Firefly all the more. And the effects? They are BEAUTIFUL!

For the record, I want to have Starbucks babies.

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DEATHISMYGIFT

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:40 PM

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I get the definite sense that Edward James Olmos was unhappy with the direction (or lack thereof), and MADE them declare the 4th season to be the last, in hopes of getting the writers back on track.
A bold move on his part, if true.

I know how mean this is going to sound BUT, I find it hard to look at Olmos.

"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer

MONKEYTAIL

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:30 PM

You cannot say a show has "jumped the shark" until it can be viewed from the very first episode (in this case the mini-series) to the very last episode. Until you have seen it in it's entirety, you cannot possibly know how plots and themes used within the show will turn out.

Also, it's a shame that so many Browncoats have turned into self-important jerks. I've watched all of Whedon's shows from their beginnings, and read a great deal of his writing, but I still enjoy other works. All of you out there that put down other shows/movies/etc. and the fans of those projects should feel ashamed of yourselves. Just because it isn't something you enjoy or choose to watch, doesn't mean it isn't any good.

SICKDUDE

Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monkeytail:
Also, it's a shame that so many Browncoats have turned into self-important jerks.

Hey, I resent that!

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ASARIAN

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Grizwald:

But as I see everything since Firefly, I see it as about 3 notches down from Firefly... Everything is in relation to Firefly. Heroes? About 5 notches below Firefly. And I still love Heroes, too. Firefly is waaaaay up there.

This here's exactly the sorta thing I wanted to say. So, yeah, what Grizwald said. :)

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CYBERSNARK

Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
The scene where Baltar is furtively talking with Gaeta in the toilets did raise a chortle,

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Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:04 PM

http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/08/battlestar_gala.html

ZONER

Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:18 PM

first off - some one's frackin with you?,
i'm sorry about that...

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Originally posted by monkeytail:
You cannot say a show has "jumped the shark" until it can be viewed from the very first episode (in this case the mini-series) to the very last episode. Until you have seen it in it's entirety, you cannot possibly know how plots and themes used within the show will turn out.
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quite so - Angel seaon 5 is my fave!

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Also, it's a shame that so many Browncoats have turned into self-important jerks. I've watched all of Whedon's shows from their beginnings, and read a great deal of his writing, but I still enjoy other works. All of you out there that put down other shows/movies/etc. and the fans of those projects should feel ashamed of yourselves. Just because it isn't something you enjoy or choose to watch, doesn't mean it isn't any good.

not sooo many i'm thinking pal!

the very fact that this board has a general sci-fi thread speaks volumes
(and hides many a lurker!)

i like Galactica - hell if they brought back firefly chances are you'd see a pooling of talent resources going down between the two shows.

a lot of us also like Drive.

for me, Heroes is 5 notches below Buffy - wouldn't really compare it to Firefly... but if i was watching Heroes FIRST... who can say.

spread some shiny

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FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monkeytail:
Also, it's a shame that so many Browncoats have turned into self-important jerks. I've watched all of Whedon's shows from their beginnings, and read a great deal of his writing, but I still enjoy other works. All of you out there that put down other shows/movies/etc. and the fans of those projects should feel ashamed of yourselves. Just because it isn't something you enjoy or choose to watch, doesn't mean it isn't any good.

On the whole, since traveling 'round thru other fandoms, I've found Browncoats to be the least likely to judge something else besides upon it's merit or to be rude or crude to other fandoms. Just sayin'.

Originally posted by Grizwald:

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But as I see everything since Firefly, I see it as about 3 notches down from Firefly... Everything is in relation to Firefly. Heroes? About 5 notches below Firefly. And I still love Heroes, too. Firefly is waaaaay up there.

Originally posted by Asarian:

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This here's exactly the sorta thing I wanted to say. So, yeah, what Grizwald said. :)

Exactly.
I think for me it's a yardstick I cannot stop using. When I discuss scifi or literature with friends and family Firefly inevitably comes up and wins as favorite hands down. It doesn't mean I don't love other things, it doesn't mean I can't let other things transport me or that I can't give other things that first try. It just means that so far Firefly beats them all. I will continue to seek out and watch genre because that's my favorite thing, and one of these days maybe Firefly will lose #1 position. I doubt it though.

SINGATE

Sunday, August 26, 2007 1:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
On the whole, since traveling 'round thru other fandoms, I've found Browncoats to be the least likely to judge something else besides upon it's merit or to be rude or crude to other fandoms. Just sayin'.

The irritating thing is when so many browncoats feel the need to establish a kind of street cred by stating that series "x" is only 75% as good as Firefly. Seriously, just about every thread started in TOSF board contains responses of this nature. I think we can all agree that the BDS is one of, if not the best series to ever grace TV. That's why we're all here correct?

When trying to assign a place for Firefly in my own hierarchy I have a difficult time due to the lack of material. It is hard for me to compare the BDS with it's 13 outstanding episodes to other series which ran for several seasons. Even my favorite shows had some terrible episodes. Some had entire seasons which could have been tossed on the scrap heap. The bad still doesn't take away from my affection for a series on the whole. I only wish there would have been a few bad episodes of Firefly

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Sunday, August 26, 2007 2:35 AM

Quote:
strokingmypeter wrote:
Sunday, December 31, 2006 15:29
what is with so many people, particularly joss, being in love with battlestar galactica? i think it's freaking horrible. it sucks so much. the writing is awful, the acting wooden and lame, and the special effects suck. it's all around horrific.

It started out ok. Now it's unwatchable. Too many 'clever' plot twists. From Lee and Starbuck being in love with each other to guess who's a cylon. What's next is Adama or Starbuck a cylon? Really it's become absolute crud.

THEHEROOFWILLIAMTOWN

Sunday, August 26, 2007 3:26 AM

I liked the first and second series but as of Yet Australia hasn't seen any series 3 not even those bloody webisodes that were suppose to be so great because according to the site i don't live in America so i can't watch them.

Still Zoic did a good job on the show even if they just did all the same techniques (Eg rack zooms and focuses). Atleast they put the firefly ship in the minimovie.

PARTICIPANT

Monday, September 10, 2007 12:24 PM

Battlestar Galactica might end its run after its fourth season, according to actor Edward James Olmos.

The statement was later confirmed by show creators Ronald Moore and David Eick, who said the show was "always meant to have a beginning, middle, and finally, an end".

Sources also said the plan is to split the final season in two 10-episode halves, with the second half airing in 2009.
http://www.star-ecentral.com/tvnradio

Galactica 1980 - 'The Return of Starbuck': Rumors of Original Galactica Spin-Off to DVD
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7996

STORYMARK

Monday, September 10, 2007 2:02 PM

Talk about old news. It's been confirmed since March or so that the upcoming season is the last.

And for what it's worth, I'm one of those who thinks it's still the best sghow on TV right now.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:40 AM

I listened to a podcast this morning that said at a BSG panel at Dragon Con one of the actors mentioned that Sci Fi might split the fourth and final season into two parts and stretch them out over two years.

Did anyone who went to Dragon Con attend any of the BSG panels? Any truth to this rumor?

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Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:35 PM

In general reply to this thread, whatever the original intention of the OP, it's turned into a more-or-less civil debate of the merits, not only of BSG, but, of contemporary sci-fi, relative to Firefly.

I am old enough *gasp wheeze* to have watched the original BSG on TV in its first broadcasts, back when it was acknowledged as a pretty blatant attempt to capitalize on the popularity of Star Wars.

I have yet to watch any of the new BSG, not so much out of loyalty to what has become, in the intervening decades, a rather dated show, but, because so much of what I have heard about the new BSG tells me that I wouldn't enjoy it.

Oh, I've watched some wonderful clips of it, with spectacular effects and such. However (and, this reflects my personal tastes, shaped, I must confess, by such shows as Star Wars, the original BSG, and, more recently, Firefly), I have reliable info that this show is no FUN to watch.

If I wanted to watch contemporary soap opera, there's plenty of daytime drama out there. Again, I've never watched this, but, if the multitude of BSG 'Shippers in the fandom are any indication, that is a primary plot element, which doesn't exactly entice me.

The other thing that I have heard is that BSG is depressing. Sorry, but, I like my sci-fi with at least a little humor. And, yes, I know that BSG is a story of dire circumstances for Mankind, but, isn't that the best candidate for some (appropriate) comedic relief? Even M*A*S*H* was written upon that very premise, that, when things are at their bleakest, laughter is an outlet which saves the human psyche.

Lastly, I have some real issues (yeah, pickin' nits, I know) with the culture and society presented in BSG. Even from my admittedly superficial observation, it appears that, in order to make the characters easy for the main-stream audience to identify with, no effort has been made to make this anything more than a sci-fi allegory. Not even the character names have been selected to create a plausible "otherness" for these "alien" humans, most of whom could have been plucked directly from non-sci fi television.

Sure, they kept some of the names from the OS, mainly for the sake of the connection. But, if you stop to think about it, mebbe eighty percent of the characters have names that you could find in a phone book, today, on Earth, names that have evolved, linguistically, over the many millenia since whatever prior contact the 13th Tribe had with the rest of galactic humanity.

So, I will probably borrow BSG from a friend on DVD, watch it when I have the time, and, give it the chance that the significantly massive BSG fandom would indicate that I should. At the same time, I may not enjoy it, or, I may be surprised, and, find that I do. Sci fi, as a form of literature, is varied enough that no one can expect to enjoy it all. I just hope to find within it something new to like.

Oh, and, my second favorite show, after Firefly? Babylon 5.

Seeyas 'round the 'Verse!

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GRIZWALD

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:14 PM

*starts to shake*
*starts to quiver*
*steam starts to come out of ears*

Nnn...nnn...nnnnot FUN?

My dear Raycheetah, your reliable sources are incorrect. There is humor on BSG. Lots of it!

As for the names, their 'verse and ours are supposed to be historically linked, so it's not completely out of the question.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

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WYTCHCROFT

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:16 PM

seconded!

Galactica rocks!

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, October 15, 2007 7:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Veteran:
Quote:
strokingmypeter wrote:
Sunday, December 31, 2006 15:29
what is with so many people, particularly joss, being in love with battlestar galactica? i think it's freaking horrible. it sucks so much. the writing is awful, the acting wooden and lame, and the special effects suck. it's all around horrific.

It started out ok. Now it's unwatchable. Too many 'clever' plot twists. From Lee and Starbuck being in love with each other to guess who's a cylon. What's next is Adama or Starbuck a cylon? Really it's become absolute crud.

The ratings took a nose-dive

guess fans thought it's now become un-watchable

Universal Says No to 'Battlestar Galactica: Razor' on HD DVD
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news
Despite persistent rumors to the contrary, Universal reiterated yesterday that it will not be bringing the 'Battlestar Galactica' telefilm 'Razor' to HD DVD this year.

So why does Joss love it ?

Well he's a big fan of agnostic ideas and atheism, you can catch this philosophy in Firefly but its even bigger in BSG.

He doesn't really believe in that Alien life beyond Earth stuff

Whedon leans to the left, I'm not sure how leftist he is but perhaps the political Battlestar abortion or Battlestar suicide bomber episodes were wetting his appetite

Is Joss Whedon Feminist enough? I guess he enjoys the whole Madame President thing and Starbuck leading them to Earth.

SHAMELESS

Monday, October 15, 2007 8:12 AM

I adore BSG. The first couple seasons were the best, but it's still great.
I am WAY too lazy to read this entire thread.

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Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
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Can't stop the signal."
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WYTCHCROFT

Monday, October 15, 2007 8:23 AM

KNIGHTREYEDER

Monday, October 15, 2007 11:11 AM

I have to agree with a previous post stating the thread is pretty long and I'll be first to admit I couldn't quite get through it all.....but there was a lot of interesting reading......

“I think the cast is pretty wooden and boring ………………..it almost physically hurts how unrelentingly humorless BSG is.”

Keep that in mind and watch the first few episodes of the first season again. Where’s there supposed to be humor in the wolves jumping you every 30 (or so) minutes? Being humorless leaves plenty of humor for the shows that force laughter and are about as deep as a crushed pop can.

“At least the acting in BSG isn't as bad as the acting In Babylon five.”

Hee Hee Heee. Ok I won’t argue that one…..

“BSG is a classic main-stream!”

Not for a second. Adama is one of the few characters I’ve seen that are literally larger than life.

“I used to like the Baltar-Number Six relationship when she was inside his head,”

I hated that manikin blonde since the first moment I saw her. I kinda like Baltar (and I don't like guys) because he’s about 500% more interesting than the original superficial predictable dolt.

“does anyone remember the original....? i thought that was a pretty lame piece of work –“

I should hope to shout. Makes the new one on a bad day look like award winning material.

“The show was once very good, it once was top rated but now the ratings have fallen like a rock. Yet still Univseral have been a lot more loyal to BSG than Faux folk were ever with Firefly.”

Yeah? It’s still around because only the (really) good die young. A plug for Firefly for those that missed that part…..

Mal's expression in the scrapyard when he first see's Serenity says it all.

WALKDOGGER

Monday, October 15, 2007 8:30 PM

I watched the first couple of episodes when it aired a month or so back, and I didn't like it at all. There was nothing that sucked me into the show like Firefly and Buffy did.

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-My shiny Serenity video.

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 15, 2007 8:34 PM

It started out good, but...

THEY HAVE NO PLAN.

Chrisisall

MUGGI

Monday, October 15, 2007 8:54 PM

I like the show, and through about the first 1.5 seasons it was IMO the best show on television. I'm a sci-fi FAN, but find most sci-fi tv shows to be teh suck. Firefly, BSG and ST:TNG are the only three I ever watched regularly.

The FIRST episode, "33", is probably top-3 of best single episodes of ANY show I've seen, ever. It lost a bit of steam from season 1.5-2.5, but season 3 was quite good.

Also, it's not supposed to be funny :) It's not a comedy. I've found the acting in general to be pretty good. EJO is good, Mary McC is very good, and the lesser known actors are adequate. Tricia Helfer, the blond, has never acted before or received any acting training whatsoever..she's surprisingly good (most of the time).

Funny note: there is a toy ship EJO is building throughout most of the series..in one episode, he grabs it and breaks it into pieces. This was an improv move..EJO did not know the ship was a museum piece on LOAN TO THE SHOW. Oops.

SHAMELESS

Monday, October 15, 2007 8:59 PM

WALKDOGGER: Aired a few months ago?... What show are YOU watching? This has been around a couple years.

CHRISISALL: They do too have a plan, they just

Select to view spoiler:

pretended to have killed off Starbuck on a whim because they didn't want ANYONE to know that she was coming back.

Yeah, I was pretty pissed about that one until I saw the very latest episode and heard what the writers had to say (those sneaky bastards!). I still find it amusing that

Select to view spoiler:

Katee Sackhoff had no idea she wasn't really dead, either.

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Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

"You gotta love that the first pirated HD DVD is the one about space pirates who broadcast a video that the government wants to keep secret.

Can't stop the signal."
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CHRISISALL

Monday, October 15, 2007 9:03 PM

Meh. It jumped the shark when Laura got all well from the fluffy Cylon blood.

GrrrChrisisall

VETERAN

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:22 AM

Quote:
chrisisall wrote:
Monday, October 15, 2007 10:34
.....
THEY HAVE NO PLAN.

Chrisisall

I think you nailed it. But it could be a Seinfeld thing. Picture two BSG writers brain storming...

Writer 1: "So what's the plan? Can you tell me what the plan is? Because I have no idea."

Shorter Balding Writer: (excited) "That's it! That's the plan.... there is no plan!"

SHAMELESS

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Meh. It jumped the shark when Laura got all well from the fluffy Cylon blood.

GrrrChrisisall

Pssst - 1. Spoiler! (Though probably there are so many spoilers already in this thread... yeah)
2. Dude, she relapsed, remember? It was only temporary. No fluffy.

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Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

"You gotta love that the first pirated HD DVD is the one about space pirates who broadcast a video that the government wants to keep secret.

Can't stop the signal."
-reavers_ate_my_dvd

SHAMELESS

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Veteran:
Quote:
chrisisall wrote:
Monday, October 15, 2007 10:34
.....
THEY HAVE NO PLAN.

Chrisisall

I think you nailed it. But it could be a Seinfeld thing. Picture two BSG writers brain storming...

Writer 1: "So what's the plan? Can you tell me what the plan is? Because I have no idea."

Shorter Balding Writer: (excited) "That's it! That's the plan.... there is no plan!"

::sad face:: Was my post just ignored?

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RPG launcher bought in third world country illegally - $10
Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

"You gotta love that the first pirated HD DVD is the one about space pirates who broadcast a video that the government wants to keep secret.

Can't stop the signal."
-reavers_ate_my_dvd

WALKDOGGER

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:48 AM

SHAMELESS, I was a bit wrong on the time. It wasn't a month ago, more like 4 months ago. Here in Belgium that was the first time it aired.

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JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knightreyeder:
“does anyone remember the original....? i thought that was a pretty lame piece of work –“... Makes the new one on a bad day look like award winning material.

Folks here and elsewhere have pretty consistenly bashed the original Battlestar, and I always need to defend it. It's hard to go back in time 30 years, but I guarantee you that if you were a teenager or young adult then you would have loved the show, and would still love it today as I do.
The friendships and comraderie of that original cast were very real, and although it was frequently a bit regimented in its style, it had a magic to it....good story telling with well-defined characters you could relate to. It also had humor and romance and FUN...things lacking badly in a lot of today's material. It also had a bevy of beauties gracing the screen :
Jane Seymour
Maren Jensen
Laurette Spang
Anne Lockhart
Those gals in their heyday would give our BDH gals a serious run for their money in terms of looks & personalities.
So next time you think of the Original Battlestar, at least show a tad of respect to this great, groundbreaking show from 1978.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:15 PM

I'm with ya Jongstraw, you is totally right-on here!!!!

Concuring Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with ya Jongstraw, you is totally right-on here!!!!

Concuring Chrisisall

....And they say world peace is impossible!
Thanks Chris for your support....ya know until Firefly came along, I'd have to say it was my most favorite beloved show. During the 1980's I videotaped every episode I could get, did the conmmercial edits with my "wired" remote control...had about 15 of the episodes. I bought the DVD set a couple of years ago..a real joy...all 22 episodes and many 2 and 3 parters. Anytime you'd be interested in discussing episodes or people just write. Just a quick flashback here....remember guest star Kelly Harmon from the 2-part Greetings From Earth episode? I still get all squishy inside when I see her natural beauty, and I've been married for almost 30 years....oh, that's why!

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:50 PM

For those who hold up the ratings as proof that the show is tanking, BSG has been recognized as the most downloaded TV series (from iTunes, mainly) and one of the most frequently Tivo/DVRed shows on the air. Niether of these are factored into the standard Nielson ratings. And the DVDs sell very well.

The show is doing fine. It just doesn't show on the old-fashioned tracking methods.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:55 PM

Ahh yes...the female Viper pilots...the Gun On Ice Planet Zero..."waggle my wings"...

The Cylons were a little slow and clunky, but I loved their voices, heh heh.

I NEED that show on DVD!!!!

I just may sell my new BSG DVD's to do it; the new one has no character to it (aside from Tom Zarrek).

Hatchfan Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
For those who hold up the ratings as proof that the show is tanking,

I hold up a Bob Dylan song as proof that the show is tanking

Bad Chrisisall

WYTCHCROFT

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
For those who hold up the ratings as proof that the show is tanking,
I hold up a Bob Dylan song as proof that the show is tanking

Bad Chrisisall

hmm i guess might be hearin' a fella knockin' on heavens door

"y'call that a brown coat, Bob?" "i don't call it anything"

"You don't know what you've got - untill you lose it."

VETERAN

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:34 PM

Jongstraw,

You're right. By 1978 standards it wasn't bad at all. But it is funny how campy things (especially Science Fiction shows)look 30 years later.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:00 AM

Yes Veteran you're right. Our current time in history finds us all a bit jaded and increasingly expectant of greatness in everything we do & experience....alas, I frequently yearn for the simpler, more carefree decades of the past.

KNIGHTREYEDER

Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:18 AM

Jane Seymour and Anne Lockhart are in a class above any female on the current BSG. Two incredible ladies that belong on an all time greatest list......

Mal's expression in the scrapyard when he first see's Serenity says it all.

ASARIAN

Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:03 AM

In chaos theory, when a system is about to break down -- like an economy, for example -- it becomes erratic, and you'll see heavy fluctuations (in, say, its conjuncture) before it finally collapses. I thinking I'm seeing something similar happening with the new Battlestar Galactica. Mind you, fluctuations go both ways. So, while Season 3 of BSG knew several truly awesome episodes, it also had its fair share of dips. And that erratic behavior, IMHO, is not a good sign, per se.

The mark of a stable system is its consistency. Firefly, for instance, is not marred with lesser-than episodes: all 14 episodes were of almost the exact same, high quality. BSG, Season 1, was like that: almost every episode was fantastic, and gripping. Season 2, not so much. And Season 3, well, it seems they're trying to regain some of their former glory; and it is actually better than Season 2. But they're not in control of the destabilization yet. Dressing old things new can be fun, like teenage pranks when you're about to die; but you can only play the "Major character X or Y turns out to be a Cylon" card so many times, before it DOES get old.

So, I'd say: stabilize the patient; because, from my angle, the quality fluctuations in BSG are troublesome and a sign of impending doom. And that would be a shame. Because I loved Kara (and I love her in Bionic Woman, too); and Adama; and Badger, of course (love him in Bionic Woman, too, lol); and others. But the writers should, literally, get their story straight; and do it soon, or ere long BSG will be a thing of the past... yet again.

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
...and do it soon, or ere long BSG will be a thing of the past... yet again.

I think that's a given, since they are currently shooting the final couple episodes.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, November 2, 2007 5:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:
Originally posted by participant:
but Joss is human, he makes mistakes

His work on Alien:Resurrection was bellow par when compared to the great work of Cameron and Scott, I didn't care for the boring series Roseanne and his stuff on Atlantis:The Lost Empire was kind of average.
OT, but apart from Firefly, I'm not at all a Joss fan, in fact I find him rather pretentious and annoying. To me, his opinion on other shows counts for very little. Having said that, BSG is pretty good overall. But having said that, I enjoy Lost and Heroes more (Lost because of the excellent second half to the third season).

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

word out there is bsg dvd sales have started to flop

The first season sold in great numbers, but razor and the third have started to flop

PARTICIPANT

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:11 PM

I thought Razor lacked focus, it was an ok movie but it was not very good. It had some nice scenes in it but I really don't understand why so many hardcore fans hand out so much praise for this re-imagined Battlestar series

C.G.I Cylons and some of the scenes seemed like they were almost an afterthought. Battlstar Razor - worthing check out if you're bored but I would not be doing a song and dance about it. I think going back to the orginal series raiders was kind of a step backward. I thought the whole point of 're-imagining' the series was to move it forward from Larson's old show.

PARTICIPANT

Monday, March 31, 2008 6:37 PM

yeah Joss loves it, but the guy has funny tastes

He also thinks the tv show rosanne and Xmen3 were some of the best things ever put to film

STORYMARK

Monday, March 31, 2008 7:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JaynezTown:

word out there is bsg dvd sales have started to flop

The first season sold in great numbers, but razor and the third have started to flop

Wow, a psychic on the board. Funny how you claim the DVD sales for Season 3 dropped, a solid 5 months before the DVDs were released....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, March 31, 2008 7:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knightreyeder:
Jane Seymour and Anne Lockhart are in a class above any female on the current BSG. Two incredible ladies that belong on an all time greatest list......

2 lovely & classy ladies for sure...but don't forget Battlestar's other lovely ladies :
Laurette Spang as Casseopia
Sarah Rush as Rigel
Maren Jensen as Athena

PARTICIPANT

Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:18 PM

Joss got burnt too many times by Fox

That's why he's prostituting himself to Skiffy so much

ANNUETTE

Friday, April 11, 2008 8:38 AM

The answer to this is exactly the same anser i gave to someone on lj who was asking 'what's the love for different types of fanfic-romance/gen/dark'- Different things appeal to different people and moreover different things appeal to different people at different times and in different moods.

I liked the old BSG when i was younger, I have enjoyed quite a few of the episodes of the new. Season 1 I loved, the other seasons I've loved some, tuned off part way through others. I don't think you can compare TV shows because everyone is so different that no one persons opinion is right, and their opinion may change at some time or in some mood. I can honestly say I love Firefly, rewatch it all the time and Serenity too but at the same time I watch programmes that my friends have even 'wtfed over' because they are competely the opposite taste to them.

I ended up skipping half the posts cause it seems like people are arguing and I'm not in the mind too, but I stand by the different tastes and appealing. I do think you shouldn't need to defend why you like or hate something though I can see the urge to if you think something you love is being bashed.

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, April 11, 2008 9:14 AM

right on!:)