Break up Iraq, morons!!!!!!!! Any thoughts?

POSTED BY: VoshExeter
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KANEMAN

Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
I just read an article in a magazine with fairly wide circulation in which plenty of page space was wasted trying to illuminate the benefits of unified strategy and communications in Iraq.

Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

voshExeter

One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, June 11, 2007 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
I just read an article in a magazine with fairly wide circulation in which plenty of page space was wasted trying to illuminate the benefits of unified strategy and communications in Iraq.

Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

voshExeter

One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

Hate to say this, but I agree with Kaneman....

But he should really explain the concept to Bush

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/06/10/bush-albania.html

" U.S. President George W. Bush said Sunday there's no need for "endless dialogue" on the future status of the breakaway Serbian province of Kosovo, saying "the time is now" to move toward independence. "

My advice to Kaneman, small words and talk slow

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Run to the hills run for your lives "

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LEADB

Monday, June 11, 2007 3:19 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....

We live in America; we can discuss anything. However, 'point taken', I can accept withdrawal; there is nothing 'wrong' with offering to attempt to broker a division or what not while we are 'heading out.'

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, June 11, 2007 4:26 AM

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Originally posted by leadb:
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Originally posted by kaneman:
One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....
We live in America; we can discuss anything. However, 'point taken', I can accept withdrawal; there is nothing 'wrong' with offering to attempt to broker a division or what not while we are 'heading out.'

I think Kaneman is refering to the principles on which your country was founded, and how far you actions over the past sixty years have taken from your origins

Right now any made in the US solution will be torn down and left hanging with the collaborators off the lampposts, and rightly so.

While the situation is bad in Iraq, Afganistan is really the more dangerous problem anyway.

" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack

Run to the hills run for your lives "

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12

PIRATENEWS

Monday, June 11, 2007 6:02 AM

That's always been the officially published plan of British, Israeli and US govts, for at least 20 years. That's why MI6, CIA and Mossad are wearing Arab costumes, planting car bombs and bombing mosques. It's called P2OG. That's standard procedure for the psychopaths who want to be our kings.

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Monday, June 11, 2007 1:18 PM

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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

Historically it fits the regions pattern. The problem, as I see it, is Kurdistan. If the Kurds get their own country then they will immediatly be at odds with the Kurdish regions of Iran and Turkey.

We have already seen some incursions by the Turkish Army into Iraq because Kurdish militants in Iraq, stable and prosperous, have been supporting the Kurdish militants in Turkey. A fully independant Kurdistan would likely lead to war between America's strongest Iraqi ally and its NATO partner or worse, a three way dance between Turkey, the Kurds, and Iran, which leaves us in the position of figuring out how to support the fight against Iran but not the one against Turkey.

H

MALBADINLATIN

Monday, June 11, 2007 3:10 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
If anyone noticed I haven't spoken about the Kurds, it because in all likelyhood they'll be dead. Before squaring off in strings of wars Shia and Sunni Iraq will wipe out Kurd Iraq.

I spent some time in Kurdish Iraq in 2002-2003. In my opinion, the Kurds can take care of themselves. If the Sunnis or Sheite attacked, they would never do it together. The same hatred that's keeping at each other's throats today would prevent that. Turkey would also have a royal shit/heart attack/baby cow birth if that happened because it would mean a couple million Kurdish refugees coming back over thier border. So even though the Turks hate the Kurds, they'll back em up in Iraq. I'm not trying to be a know it all Cit, because I've been wrong once or twice, but that's how it looks to me.

It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites

KPO

Monday, June 11, 2007 3:15 PM

Wow, that post from Piratenews was mercifully short.

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While the situation is bad in Iraq, Afganistan is really the more dangerous problem anyway.

How d'you figure Gino?

LEADB

Monday, June 11, 2007 4:11 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
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Originally posted by leadb:
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Originally posted by kaneman:
One thought. We have no right to even discuss the break-up of a sovereign nation. That we even discuss this shows how far from our founding we have come. We must leave Iraq immediately and let the Iraqi's decide what to do with THEIR country.....
We live in America; we can discuss anything. However, 'point taken', I can accept withdrawal; there is nothing 'wrong' with offering to attempt to broker a division or what not while we are 'heading out.'

I think Kaneman is refering to the principles on which your country was founded, and how far you actions over the past sixty years have taken from your origins

True, I wanted only to emphasize that the discussion isn't bad, especially if it yields a 'better' approach. I think there was not enough discussion leading up to the decision to go into Iraq; so I'd rather see such things discussed now with hopefully a better decision made.

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Right now any made in the US solution will be torn down and left hanging with the collaborators off the lampposts, and rightly so.

I will agree the US needs to get out of the business of imposing solutions, and instead submitting suggestions; and in any case working on getting out.

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While the situation is bad in Iraq, Afganistan is really the more dangerous problem anyway.

Hard to say. The situation in Afganistan is definitely gaining momentum in the wrong direction; and if something doesn't change it will clearly go from 'not too bad' to 'worse' and possibly head to 'awful'. It's almost enough to make me wonder if Bush truly does not want things to settle out; he simply cannot get teams together to 'win the peace'.

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LEADB

Monday, June 11, 2007 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by VoshExeter:
Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

Historically it fits the regions pattern. The problem, as I see it, is Kurdistan. If the Kurds get their own country then they will immediatly be at odds with the Kurdish regions of Iran and Turkey.

We have already seen some incursions by the Turkish Army into Iraq because Kurdish militants in Iraq, stable and prosperous, have been supporting the Kurdish militants in Turkey. A fully independant Kurdistan would likely lead to war between America's strongest Iraqi ally and its NATO partner or worse, a three way dance between Turkey, the Kurds, and Iran, which leaves us in the position of figuring out how to support the fight against Iran but not the one against Turkey.

H

I don't know if it is pratical or not; but at least at this point the Kurds seem to have a semblence of a regional government in place. -If- (and I have no idea if they are stable enough to do it) the 'central' kurdish authority were willing to commit to the integrity of the 'current' borders, and offer 'home land stakes' to their fellow Kurds in southern turkey who wish to be free of the turkish gov.; it might work... but it is likely just a pipe dream.

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