Break up Iraq, morons!!!!!!!! Any thoughts?

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VOSHEXETER

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:04 PM

I just read an article in a magazine with fairly wide circulation in which plenty of page space was wasted trying to illuminate the benefits of unified strategy and communications in Iraq.

Breaking the country up into more than one nation is evidently still a few months off from being mentioned in main stream media. Any thoughts, feelings, perceptions, interesting show observations?

voshExeter

SIGNYM

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:18 PM

I've been advocating this for over a year. Sunnis will not feel secure living under Shias and vice versa, and the Kurds have already split themselves off from the others. Forging a unified nation will take far more control of the Iraqi government than the USA can exert, because the ONLY way that I see to creating a unified nation is to keep kicking partisans out of high office until you find the ones who are willing to buck both al Sadr AND the Sunni insurgents ... and even if you found someone willing to do that, they would have absolutely no popular support.

The Iraq Study Group dismissed this option in one or two sentences: the costs are too high, and people are too intermingled for a clean division. But they would have said the same thing about (the former) Yugoslavia. The one difficulty in splitting up Iraq is what do do with all that potential oil money. The Sunnis don't want to give up any claim on what they see as their portion. It might be possible to buy their agreement with lots and lost of rebuilding aid, but the Sunnis must be able to see some sort of ongoing future income besides aid. Because they are clustered around Baghdad. I suppose they could become something of a financial/ industrial/ cultural/ educational center, but that really requires some thought.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:28 PM

It makes too much sense in the long run, i.e., not gonna happen.

The cynical-like Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:30 PM

I don't know, lets ask India and Pakistan how it worked for them, and why they feel the need to have nuclear weapons pointed at each other.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:42 PM

I just got off the phone with them; they said it's just a sibling rivalry thing .

Don't divide 'em then, let 'em do it themselves, it's called thinning the herd Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:22 PM

Whatever the consequences of not breaking up Iraq here's what you'll get if you do:

Shia Iraq, supported by Iran will be forever engaged in war with Sunni Iraq, supported by Syria. They'll merely become pawns between Iran and Syria, much like Vietnam between the US and Russia.

If anyone noticed I haven't spoken about the Kurds, it because in all likelyhood they'll be dead. Before squaring off in strings of wars Shia and Sunni Iraq will wipe out Kurd Iraq.

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SIMONF

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:25 PM

Partition/splitting up countries wasn't exactly a roaring success in Ireland, Palestine or Yugoslavia.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Whatever the consequences of not breaking up Iraq here's what you'll get if you do:

Shia Iraq, supported by Iran will be forever engaged in war with Sunni Iraq, supported by Syria. They'll merely become pawns between Iran and Syria, much like Vietnam between the US and Russia.

Okay, possible.
Nevermind.

Knows when others know more Chrisisall

KHYRON

Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:01 AM

While I agree with what Citizen said, I don't see how any of that would be different if Iraq stays one country. Once the Americans leave, the Kurds still won't be long for this world, and Syria and Iran will have close ties with the Sunni and Shia regional leaders.

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Originally posted by SimonF:
Partition/splitting up countries wasn't exactly a roaring success in Ireland, Palestine or Yugoslavia.

The first two don't really compare. Iraq as a country was drawn up relatively arbitrarily during colonial times with scant respect to ethnic/religious divisions, whereas Ireland wasn't partitioned to alleviate tension (as Iraq would be) and Palestine wasn't ever a country. Yugoslavia is comparable in the sense that it was a political entity that was forced upon different ethnicities, but since the split-up(s) the Balkans are in better shape, in spite of some serious teething problems. If anything, Yugoslavia could be taken as a case study of how things can go very wrong if ethnicities who don't like each other are forced to be part of the same country against their will. All of that ethnic tension that led to the Balkan wars was brewing for decades.

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GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Whatever the consequences of not breaking up Iraq here's what you'll get if you do:

Shia Iraq, supported by Iran will be forever engaged in war with Sunni Iraq, supported by Syria. They'll merely become pawns between Iran and Syria, much like Vietnam between the US and Russia.

If anyone noticed I haven't spoken about the Kurds, it because in all likelyhood they'll be dead. Before squaring off in strings of wars Shia and Sunni Iraq will wipe out Kurd Iraq.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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No, The Shia will drive out any American influences, then the sunni...

Turkey will handle the Kurds

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/74D2E648-44BB-442A-ADAA-3390974
FC232.htm

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