Bush-Whacked by I.S.G.

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UPDATED: Saturday, December 16, 2006 22:05
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SIGNYM

Friday, December 8, 2006 11:07 PM

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I heard some ex-servicemen (who were in Iraq) talking on the radio today, and they seemed to agree that the biggest problem with the Iraqi army (as it now stands) is that Iraqi's don't see themselves as "Iraqi's" -- but as Sunnis, Shiite, or Kurds, -- then by family clans. If this is correct, they either need to adopt a sense of national unity or divide the country. As the later option is quite drastic, the former would certainly be preferable. Although, as to how it might be achieved, I have to say I'm at a loss.

I think this is the potentially insurmountable stumbling block. In addition, the culture is big on vengeance. And since nobody can be counted on to act in an even-handed fashion, that makes the Sunnis very reluctant to live under Shia internal security forces and vice versa. Splitting up revenue is another sore point.

There is ONE way to control the situation: Find several high-ranking people who are acting in partisan fashion and hang their heads at the city gates. Replace them. Repeat as necessary. Nothing beats making gory example of generals and ministers.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, December 9, 2006 12:49 AM

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But they don't mean it, and they ain't serious. SO, yeah, we oughtta cut and run. We've already spent too much-- another life, another dollar wasted, is too high a price.

Sadly, I can't disagree with that comment. They don't seem to be doing the very things which are necessary to win this war, then we've got no business being there at all. For once, and maybe the last time, I agree with John McCain. Lord help me if that ever happens again.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Saturday, December 9, 2006 12:53 AM

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Speaking of appeasement, I heard Sean Hannity quote Winston Churchill on his show yesterday. I've been a big fan of Churchill's and studied him for decades, but I honestly can't remember if I'd heard this quote before.

"Appeasement is the policy of a man that feeds the alligatior, hoping that the alligator will eat him last."

Winston Churchill is among my 3 favorite human beings of the 20th century. Possibly of all time.

And no, Jesus doesn't make my top 5, in case anyone was wondering.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

YINYANG

Saturday, December 9, 2006 1:07 AM

I'm going to paraphrase here, but you get the point, I hope:

"It's nice to see that they've formed a study group, but the test was three years ago." - Jon Stewart

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, December 9, 2006 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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But they don't mean it, and they ain't serious. SO, yeah, we oughtta cut and run. We've already spent too much-- another life, another dollar wasted, is too high a price.

Sadly, I can't disagree with that comment. They don't seem to be doing the very things which are necessary to win this war, then we've got no business being there at all.

Considering that you and I have been on different sides of several threads, and that " certain words have been exchanged ( also certain bullets.)", I'm honored, respected enemy.
If we're in agreement, the situation over there must be REALLY screwed up.

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:05 PM

Iraq Study Group demands 50,000 more troops sent to Iraq. It's a pathological lie that ISG wants to pull troops out of Iraq.

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"We believe it would be wrong for the United States to abandon the country through a precipitate withdrawal of troops and support."
-ISG page 37

"Further, adding more American troops could conceivably worsen those aspects of the security problem that are fed by the view that the U.S. presence is intended to be a long-term “occupation.” We could, however, support a short-term redeployment or surge of American combat forces to stabilize Baghdad, or to speed up the training and equipping mission, if the U.S. commander in Iraq determines that such steps would be effective. We also rejected the immediate withdrawal of our troops, because we believe that so much is at stake. On September 7, 2006, General James Jones, our NATO commander, called for more troops in Afghanistan, where U.S. and NATO forces are fighting a resurgence of al Qaeda and Taliban forces. The United States should respond positively to that request, and be prepared for other security contingencies, including those in Iran and North Korea."
-ISG page 73

"There is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq. The standard for recording attacks acts as a filter to keep events out of reports and databases. A murder of an Iraqi is not necessarily counted as an attack. If we cannot determine the source of a sectarian attack, that assault does not make it into the database. A roadside bomb or a rocket or mortar attack that doesn’t hurt U.S. personnel doesn’t count. For example, on one day in July 2006 there were 93 attacks or significant acts of violence reported. Yet a careful review of the reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence."
ISG page 94

RECOMMENDATION 41: "The United States must make it clear to the Iraqi government that the United States could carry out its plans, including planned redeployments, even if Iraq does not implement its planned changes. America’s other security needs and the future of our military cannot be made hostage to the actions or inactions of the Iraqi government."
-ISG page 75

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/06_12_06_iraq_study_group_r
eport.pdf

Iraq Study Group director James Baker is the trial lawyer defending Carlyle Group members in Saudi Arabia, to deny 9/11 terror victims financial compensation, since most of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were citizens of Saudi Arabia. Carlyle Group is owned by the Bushes, Queen of England, Saudi royals and the Bin Ladens.
www.september11classaction.com

Baker is the individual to told Saddam to invade Kuwait in the first place:

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US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie: "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business."
President Saddam Hussein: "As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death."
Glaspie: "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
President Saddam Hussein: (smiles)
-Videotaped meeting between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and US Ambassador April Glaspie, July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)

Journalist 2: "You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait) but you didn'

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