Is 'Kramer' a racist?
POSTED BY: CrevanReaver
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 05:04
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Hey Michael next time get the bouncer. I've heckled a few comedians in my time they were'nt funny and I'm paying for this with a 2 drink minimum. He just snapped. America is forgiving. It'll be alright. Hell the injuns forgave the Irish for selling whiskey and guns to em on a Sunday. Hell anybody remember Custer's last stand. That's a July 4 nobody will forget.
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
The reason why Mel got a much bigger reaction is...because he's a genuine A-List superstar who has made suspect comments about Jews before...
You claim Gibson's made "suspect comments about Jews before". Could you please tell us what they are. If not then you are a liar. Liar!
Me no lie. Read up on his father here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson
Mel publicly stated that he wouldn't speak out against his father's beliefs.
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Quote:So where are these suspicious comments? because unless I’ve missed something all I see here are comments attributed to Gibson’s father, who is not Mel Gibson.
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Me no lie. Read up on his father here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson
Mel publicly stated that he wouldn't speak out against his father's beliefs.
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SimonWho, what do you think this is...The Bronze Age. Last time I checked we don't condemn people for the sins of their father.
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In regards to all this, I think the actions that Michael has taken in regards to repairing the damaged he's caused is a step in the right direction. As Kramer himself once said on SEINFELD "These comedians, there all sick individuals." The majority of these people have every kind of personal problems and issues that you can think of. And I hope that With Michael, that he is able to fix this.
Because I can live without Mad Max and Martin Riggs and William Wallace. I can't, however, live without Kramer. That character and that show has so much meaning to me and millions of people around the world. And I'd hate to think that I can't watch Kramer on SEINFELD without thinking of this crap.
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This fucking planet is insane.
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
SimonWho, what do you think this is...The Bronze Age. Last time I checked we don't condemn people for the sins of their father.
Actually this is the Information Age and we do condemn those who support those who deny the holocaust, as Mel has done.
Plus remember the anti-semitic overtones of Passion of the Christ? The row over that didn't come from nowhere. When Mel was pulled over, the feeling was already out there that he was bigoted against the Jews. We just didn't realise how much.
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Quote:What a marvelous rebuttal. If you haven't heard about Mels road side rant against Jews that had more than a few hints of Hitlerism in it then you are grossly uninformed. Uninformed type guy!
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
You claim Gibson's made "suspect comments about Jews before". Could you please tell us what they are. If not then you are a liar. Liar!
It's interesting, Finn was accusing people of Anti-Semitism when they had problems with Israels tactics not so long ago, yet when a Conservative Christian is caught it must be media 'Liberal bias' (and when talking American media on the whole that has about as much Liberal bias as George Bush). Go for double standards.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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I always find it funny however that certain racism is allowed but others are not. who decides?
personally I hate it all but then my dislike of the human race is quite global, wherever you come from and whoever you praise, I don't like you, it's easier that way.
Kramer is clearly racist however, and Gibson clearly hates the Jewish people for the whole "Jesus" thing, that said he hates the British too, but then who doesn't!
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
SimonWho, what do you think this is...The Bronze Age. Last time I checked we don't condemn people for the sins of their father.
Actually this is the Information Age and we do condemn those who support those who deny the holocaust, as Mel has done.
Plus remember the anti-semitic overtones of Passion of the Christ? The row over that didn't come from nowhere. When Mel was pulled over, the feeling was already out there that he was bigoted against the Jews. We just didn't realise how much.
I never saw Passion, so I can't tell what, if any , anti Semetic overtones there were. One thing I do recall is the so called 'backlash' at the Jews which were predicted to occur after the movie came out. And what happened? Nothing. Temples weren't burned, Jews weren't beaten.... nothing happened.
As for Richards and his melt down, here's how I see it. Clearly, here's one comedian who can't deal w/ hecklers. Add to the mix that it was 2 black guys, and that spells trouble. Why ? Because there's a unspoken rule that says blacks can't be criticized. Not for the high % of fatherless families, not for Katrina, not for murdering an ex wife and a innocent waiter. It's not their fault. They didn't do it. To even suggest they're in the least bit culpable makes you a racist. That seems to be partly what was boiling up in Richard's mind, before he blew a fuse. ( Read Richard's 'apology' from the David Letterman show, if you wonder where I'm getting all this stuff )
I've been to comedy clubs, and anyone who has will tell you - don't take on the comic. Why ? Most seasoned comics will dress you down and ridicule you to no end. And when they're done with you and their act is over, the next comic to hit the stage will likely keep the hit parade going. Insult after insult, all mixed in with their act. Richards, for what ever reason, just couldn't deal. Maybe it was a bad day, maybe stress from struggling since Seinfeld, any of 1000 different reasons that have nothing to do w/ the 2 black guys heckling him that night. But he crossed the line, imo, and dug a huge hole for himself. "Sorry" won't cut it ,and he definatly can't pay those guys any $$ for their pain. Gloria ALred or not, they've got no case. Or shouldn't.
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