Will we all be drafted in the USA?
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 01:10
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With the Democratic majority in Congress come Democrats as committee chairmen. This makes it much easier for legislation authored by Democrats, Such as Rep. Charles Rangel's Universal National Service Act (HR2723), to get passed.
Rep. Rangel's bill can be seen at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.2723:
The bill enacts laws:
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To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
If you're between the ages of 18 and 26, you will perform 15 months of service in either the military, or in a civilian position that (as determined by the President) promotes national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.
So in 2009 what "national or community service" will the (probably Democratic) President have you performing? Signing up illegal aliens for Medicare and Social Security? Confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens? Warrantless searches of homes to check for low-flow toilets and showerheads? Will some of the more attractive female draftees be selected to "service" the President's husband?
Is it right for the Democrats to force every young person in the country into 15 months of "involuntary servitude", with the only out being the Hobson's Choice of "voluntarily" joining the military?
What do you think?
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Pretty silly, eh?
Just thought I'd try my hand at the liberal's "Let's take everything to the worst possible extreme." game. You know, the "We'll all be wiretapped and tortured by the evil government if this law exists" sthick. It's really not that hard.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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I read somewhere that a possible option, if that law passes, to fulfill your obligation would be to sit in a tree for 15 months protecting it from loggers.....
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You did remarkably well at your first attempt at 'the game'
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Dems only like to Bomb Catholics and send Jews back to the Nazis. That is a historical fact. The draft is a good thing when their in charge but what about all those poor minorities who have to go to the front when its a Rep in charge remember the Gulf War.
I like smacken em.
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Watch your tongue Piratecat. You could end up being the subject of a Liberal circle jerk around here. Run... I think I hear them coming now...Oh my God their pants are down already...And there is smoke coming out of their ass cracks....NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Sounds like you have a genuine circle jerk going here already.
I'm not sure how I feel about mandatory military service. I'm not surprised that the republicans run from the idea...I take it you wouldn't be able to get a deferrment?
On the one hand I don't want any part in forcing our sons and daughters to serve in our armed forces when our government can be prone to loose cannonism, when it can be disposed to send them off to a war for profit.
On the other hand, I think that it would not be so much to ask our citizens to participate in our nations security... to sacrifice a year and a half of our lives to a noble cause...and why mandatory? so that people don't take war lightly. so that people see the faces of their sons and daughters when they think about a mililtary conflict, so that they aren't cavalier in the face of a decision that should not be taken lightly.
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
On the one hand I don't want any part in forcing our sons and daughters to serve in our armed forces when our government can be prone to loose cannonism, when it can be disposed to send them off to a war for profit.
On the other hand, I think that it would not be so much to ask our citizens to participate in our nations security... to sacrifice a year and a half of our lives to a noble cause.
So who decides if it's a "war for profit" or a "noble cause"? Per the proposed legislation, it's the President.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Geezer,
You're absolutely right.
This is the sort of thing that happens with democrats. The dems could have attacked the Bush agenda and scaled it down, that would have been what they would have done if they were the sort of people liberals think they are. Instead, they are going to run their own agenda, which is just as bad, just as corrupt and just as dumb as the current republican agenda.
In time, liberals will see that their party is just as bad a representative of their point of view as the current republicans are of ours. The sad thing is that so many people on both sides just bend their world view to match those of our elected officials.
But for Christ's sake: Take wiretapping and torture seriously. What kind of conservative are you? When was this ever a liberal issue? I'm not going to back off and become a liberal because I don't think they have the answers, but I'm sure not going to support the idea that pro-torture is a conservative position just because Bush took it.
Seriously.
It's like a devil's strawman handed to us. If I supported the death penalty, I'd say Bush and company should be executed for it, but I don't, so I'll say they should be exiled for it. They're no kind of Americans in my book.
Back to the draft...
Okay, will it happen, the draft?
Yes.
Will Rangel's bill pass?
No.
It's not going to go through the way he wants it, but there will finally be some conscription compromise bill. If no one has notice the trend in the last 15 years, the united states as been moving backwards on rights issues, not forwards. You right not to be shipped off to Iraq and shot at by angry muslims, (who have every reason to be angry, by the way, if people were dropping bombs on me...) that right, will eventually be taken away.
My guess is that it will be traded for others. Certain guarantees which now exist, such as education, unemployment insurance, disability, etc., are probably all going to be contingent on service. I don't know if it will be putting your hat in the ring for a random draw, it might be more direct. Something like "old benefits are now cut to near nothing, new *improved* benefits are much like old benefits used to be, but they're only available to army reservists" which is a draft-the-poor plan, which is what democrat leadership really wants. Rangel wants "draft the rich," which is pure fantasy, and he want "any service is service," which will also never happen. The feds don't want workers, they want bullet-stoppers.
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I read somewhere that a possible option, if that law passes, to fulfill your obligation would be to sit in a tree for 15 months protecting it from loggers.....
I think this is an excellent idea.
Actually, I have much less problem with Rangel than I do with the democratic party as a whole.
PirateCat,
You left out nuking shintos, and also just slaughtering asians at every opportunity.
Righteous,
The draft is the most heinous idea outside of torture and genocide, and ecoside. But still, draft is pretty awful. Most people completely miss why it is the worst defense policy idea ever:
The draft is license for unchecked war.
The truth is, any nation with a volunteer fighting force relies on recruitment to keep fighting. When the fighting is not worth fighting for, or the troops are not treated respectfully, recruitment goes down, which is what's happening now to us.
Now, what's happening to the US in Iraq, is *nothing* compared to the great military evils of history. If an army went on a Nazi or Soviet style killing binge without a draft, recruitment would hit zero.
The draft is free license to attack anyone anywhere with almost limitless force, limitless casualties, and total disregard for the troops. Anyone who doubts this, just look at Vietnam, or our entire draft history.
BTW, If the Iraq war is a "War for Profit" then it's a total failure. Bush could have fed his buddies at halliburton a hundred times more money with a run of the mill standard issue public works project.
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Dems only like to Bomb Catholics and send Jews back to the Nazis. That is a historical fact. The draft is a good thing when their in charge but what about all those poor minorities who have to go to the front when its a Rep in charge remember the Gulf War.
I like smacken em.
If that isn't a load of crap I don't know what is.
As for National Service. Whats wrong with that. I see no problem with serving ones country for a few months. Though I doubt it will ever make it out of Congress. I too am surprised that Republicans would be against it. Or maybe they are just agaisnt their children serving.
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FMF
I know you're a partisan dem, and I suspect you work for the party. But as such, you have to know that the GOP generally does support individual rights, such as the right to choose what you want to do with your time, your money, and your life. Even truly appalling republican administrations like this one have to at some point support that idea.
I think that you will see a very different GOP on the defensive coming up, which will spend a lot of time and effort to distance itself from Bush. I don't think they will support the draft measure, but some of the more corrupt republicans will compromise on some draft-like bill, but not until Hillary is god-empress.
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Is anarchy and open revolt still an option? 
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