Guess the October Surprise -
POSTED BY: Righteous9
UPDATED: Sunday, November 12, 2006 15:16
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Originally posted by SignyM:
You're already seeing resistance to striking Iran from military folks and intelligence agencies. That's why the budget fiasco on Iraq, the report from 15 intelligence agencies saying Iraq was a mistake, and generals flat-out asking for Rummmie's head on a platter. They stuck to their remits on Iraq, and look where that got them. I think they're going as "all out" as a bureaucracy trained to obedience can go. (I trust I don't have to link this? If I do, let me know.)
There is deep internecine warfare going on between the CIA and the WH. The CIA has been basically dismantled. Why do you think "kneecapper" Armitage leaked Plame's name to the world? http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/091406Parry.shtml Now the CIA is blind to Iran's plans. Armitage is NOT a bland bureaucrat. He was a point man in Vietnam and loved it. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2021640.cms He's been breaking kneecaps ever since- AFAIK most recently in Pakistan. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215820,00.html
and was deeply involved in Iran Contra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage
It's not just the CIA, but every branch and bureacracy of govt. Just like the US "Revolutionary War". We already know the Iran-Contra narcoterror gang is back in the White House - which they never really left, since Clinton (Blythe Rockefeller) always worked for Bush Sr at the CIA's cocaine airline in Mena, Arkansas. Cathy O'Brien often saw the Bushes and Clintons sharing coke and prostitutes (Bush Sr often killed the little boys after raping them, since they were never seen again, according to Republican CIA Senator John DeCamp).
Too bad the patriotic politicians are now abandoning USA in disgust:
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Jesse Ventura Highlights Government Plan To Attack U.S. Cities & Kill Americans
TX guber candidate Kinky Friedman and dreadlocked Governor Mayor Assassin Jesse Ventura
Video Interview: Cites Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, JFK assassination, NORAD stand down as reasons to question official 9/11 story
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In a sit-down video interview recorded on Monday night, former Minnesota Governor, pro-wrestling star and actor Jesse Ventura told radio host Alex Jones he found it very disturbing in light of what happened on 9/11 that the U.S. government had once planned to "attack certain cities within the United States," as a pretext for war.
Ventura was in Texas doing media events in support of independent Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman. In this explosive interview Ventura sounds off on a number of controversial subjects and the direction in which America is heading.
"In the early sixties the Pentagon had an operation called Operation Northwoods and it never came to reality but it was on the table that our military would attack certain cities within the United States and make it look like Cuba did it to justify an invasion of Cuba," said Ventura.
Operation Northwoods:
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
www.emperors-clothes.com/images/north-8.htm
"It never happened but just the simple fact that they contemplated it and it was actually on the table in the Pentagon I find that just very disturbing - that they would even consider using our military to try to justify an invasion of another country."
Ventura, a former Navy Seal, then cited the Gulf of Tonkin cover-up as an example of how false provocations are staged by governments to lead nations into war.
"It was very disappointing to believe in your country that they would lie to you to get into a war - that they would perpetrate a lie and that the media would go along with it - it's a real eye opener and you realize that if they would do it in the sixties they'll do it again - and if it works once it will work again - government very much operates that way," said Ventura.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I thought it was already common knowledge that the Saudi's do not want Dems to win fearing higher taxes on energy, as a result have picked up production. I am pretty sure I heard this on NPR a couple weeks back. The price will rise again after the election, prompting screams of I told you so, because the north will begin to turn on their heaters. Hugo must be pissed.
We don't get to tax the Saudis, Kaneman. It's not part of the US.
I just looked it up, there is a concern among the Saudi's about Americans cutting back on usage when the price is above a certain threshold(that price was not mentioned..the dems proposed taxes were). The trade paper stated that 20,000+ Americans converted to wood pellet heaters last year, and they project 100,000 homes this year. We are THE huge customer for oil. Drug dealers know that a junkie can only spend so much before looking elsewhere. This did not even consider "alternative" sources of energy.
*edit* Americans = American homes
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Republicrats
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I just looked it up, there is a concern among the Saudi's about Americans cutting back on usage when the price is above a certain threshold(that price was not mentioned..the dems proposed taxes were). The trade paper stated that 20,000+ Americans converted to wood pellet heaters last year, and they project 100,000 homes this year. We are THE huge customer for oil. Drug dealers know that a junkie can only spend so much before looking elsewhere. This did not even consider "alternative" sources of energy.
*edit* Americans = American homes
China and India will happily take any oil that the US or the British don't. Oil is like drugs, you don't have to sell it. It sells itself...
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Thanks for the links Rue, here's what I got from them
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp
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Generally speaking, areas that are more isolated from sources of supply outside the region tend to see prices decline less than the national average in times of increased supply. Retail gasoline prices nationally have dropped in large measure due to increased supplies (as a result of high prices earlier in the summer) arriving at the same time as demand started falling for seasonal reasons.
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Whether retail prices on the West Coast and Rocky Mountain regions will see larger price declines than other areas in the weeks to come remains to be seen. Ultimately, local supply and demand conditions will be the key factor in determining how much of a decline will ultimately occur. Depending on where you live, you may have seen a larger or smaller decline than the national average. Nevertheless, everyone has seen a significant drop in retail gasoline prices, which is good news for consumers.
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http://oilceo.blogspot.com/2006/04/gasoline-days-of-inventory.html
No quotes here, just a chart which shows a general trend of lower gas prices during times of higher inventories and vice versa.
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http://futures.fxstreet.com/Futures/content/100120/content.asp?menu=co
mmodities&dia=2692006
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An OPEC cut might start taking supply off the market just as demand starts to rise. And then a few months down the road as demand rebounds prices will rise. Then we can start the whole price rise cycle once again. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
FellowTraveler,
Thanks for the links. I'm not to sure how to take the article which cites bloggers and Doug Henwood of Left Business Observer as their sources though.
Poor Bush, it was his fault when the price of gas was rising and now it's his fault that the price of gas is dropping more than it should be. Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I personally am thrilled at the lowering price of gas and hope the trend continues.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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BDNothi ...Nobody,
Sigh ... Why do you persist in disinformation?
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp
If you LOOK at the charts you'll see that spot gas prices fell while crude stayed the same; that crude prices went up as crude stocks went up, and that gasoline prices went up simultaneously with gasoline stocks. There is no supply and demand pattern here.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/replymsg.asp?b=18&t=24230&m=386501
If you LOOK at this chart you'll notice that in Jan 03 there were 22 days of inventory and gasoline was US1.50/ gal, while currently there are 24.5 days of inventory and gas is US2.50/ gal. More gasoline inventory AND 67% higher prices ! Tell me, how do YOU explain that?
http://futures.fxstreet.com/Futures/content/100120/content.asp?menu=co
mmodities&dia=2692006
And this one actually does say what I said - it doesn't matter what the actual supply is, the spot price goes up and down on rumor.
Furthermore, you didn't address the VITAL fact that US refineries don't buy on the spot market, they buy on long-term contract. Your theory is bogus.
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Originally posted by rue:
You know, I work with people who've maintained all along there will be some huge event - something large enough to declare martial law and to claim authority to cancel elections. They've speculated dirty bombs, anthrax, assassination -
I personally don't hold with this, but it's interesting that highly educated people (people with science PhDs and political connections) do give this credit.
we might get an october surprise and we might not, I think the real planned surprise attack is going to happen for the 2008 elections , but I think its going to happen a few months before like 5 or six months
as for the coming elections I think they'll just keep doing what has currently been working for them, using the black box voting machines
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Quote:I don't think that is the like you are looking for.
Originally posted by rue:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/replymsg.asp?b=18&t=24230&m=386501
If you LOOK at this chart you'll notice that in Jan 03 there were 22 days of inventory and gasoline was US1.50/ gal, while currently there are 24.5 days of inventory and gas is US2.50/ gal. More gasoline inventory AND 67% higher prices ! Tell me, how do YOU explain that?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Yes, you're right. (Sometimes this site goes wonky and I have to re-access it 7 or 8 tmes in a single post. So I lose track of text at times.)
The link is here:
http://oilceo.blogspot.com/2006/04/gasoline-days-of-inventory.html
If you LOOK at this chart you'll notice that in Jan 03 there were 22 days of inventory and gasoline was US1.50/ gal, while currently there are 24.5 days of inventory and gas is US2.50/ gal. More gasoline inventory AND 67% higher prices ! Tell me, how do YOU explain that?
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I think we might have a winner for the October Surprise. There's a recently released tape showing several of the 9/11 terrorists (including bin Laden) that's starting to receive a lot of media attention. The timing seems just little too convenient to me. Republican child predator, Rep. Foley, had been all over the news, until this tape surfaced. That story is already beginning to lose some of its steam now. Also, this tape was sat on for the last five years, but all of a sudden it appears just a little more than a month before the elections. Wow! So, Republicans both deflect attention away from Foley and they divert the focus back towards terrorism and national security by politicizing the 9/11 terrorists. This shit so doesn't work on me, and I hope I'm not alone.
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