It's a P-nis Bomb

POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 18:18
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CANTTAKESKY

Friday, August 25, 2006 2:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kelkhil:
You would be surprised how often people make "bomb" jokes around airports. They think it is funny. How I do not know. But if he was making a joke he needs to learn a lesson for this one.

I can see people making jokes about bombs at airports. I can even see some drunken white college student snickering "bomb" to a security screener.

What I have a hard time seeing is a guy with name like Mardin Azad Amin, an near east asian looking man, traveling with his mother and 2 children to Turkey (those tickets can't be cheap), making a joke about a bomb to a security screener in a very low voice.

Now maybe he DID do it. I don't know. If he did, I wonder if he would have faced charges like this if he were a white drunken college student.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

FELLOWTRAVELER

Friday, August 25, 2006 2:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Yes there are cameras at all security checkpoints. Unfortunatly they do not capture audio. Not that it would matter. There is usually too much noise to isolate a single conversation at that checkpoint anyway.

EDIT - You would be surprised how often people make "bomb" jokes around airports. They think it is funny. How I do not know. But if he was making a joke he needs to learn a lesson for this one.

Kelkhil

So much for that theory.

Is this type of charge normally filed when people make these jokes? Or do they get a slap on the wrist and then sent on their way?

Edit- oops, sorry. Already asked.

KELKHIL

Friday, August 25, 2006 3:25 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I can see people making jokes about bombs at airports. I can even see some drunken white college student snickering "bomb" to a security screener.

What I have a hard time seeing is a guy with name like Mardin Azad Amin, an near east asian looking man, traveling with his mother and 2 children to Turkey (those tickets can't be cheap), making a joke about a bomb to a security screener in a very low voice.

Now maybe he DID do it. I don't know. If he did, I wonder if he would have faced charges like this if he were a white drunken college student.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

I cannot speak for other airports but I know the one that I worked at charged a retired District Attorney for making a "bomb" joke. He was fined $10,00, given 30 days in jail and 1 year of probation. Oh yeah and he was white.

I can see other areas letting it slip if the person was white and it makes me angry. I am always surprised with the amount of racism that still trives in our country. Fortunatly for me, the people that I hang around with either are not racist or do a good job of hiding it from me. I am always the first to speak up in racial situations. It is not right and should stop! Of course I am just one person and people are hard to change. I try at every chance I get though.

Kelkhil

RUE

Friday, August 25, 2006 3:28 PM

Hey Soup,
No. Sadly, I've been reading mine.

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Originally posted by rue:
You p-nis will explode with pleasure! It's so good it should be illegal. Everyone will notice it!

Hey, Rue, have you been reading my e-mail?

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, August 25, 2006 3:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kelkhil:
He was fined $10,00, given 30 days in jail and 1 year of probation. Oh yeah and he was white.

It does make me feel a little better that it isn't just middle eastern / asian men who are targeted.

And is that $10,000.00 you mean, or $10.00? (Probably the former.) Was he charged with a felony?

I'm not saying someone who makes bomb jokes shouldn't experience any consequences. But all that seems a bit harsh, esp if there was no intent to disrupt order or cause panic. A felony, where you hereby lose all rights as a citizen, just doesn't match the crime, IMHO.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, August 25, 2006 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I ask because isn't this kind of article and discussion much the same thing only from the other side of the fence?

You think this discussion is understating the terrorist threat for someone's own ends?

See my comment regarding the other side of the fence.
You have admitted that there are many things about this incident that you are unaware of. But that hasn't stopped you from making assumptions and fanning the flames of racism and the end of civil liberties as we know it.
IMHO, this is akin to the present Government making assumptions about the terrorist threat and fanning the flames of fear.

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I didn't post this article to comment on the terrorist threat. My comment is that we have created a climate of racial phobia and racial profiling so strong that someone is facing felony charges for what in less stressful times might be forgiven as a misunderstanding or at worst, a sick, stupid joke.

I am aware of that.

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I mean, he didn't phone in a bomb threat intended to disrupt airport activities, or leave unattended baggage (a true security risk), or yell "Bomb" in a crowded lobby to cause panic. He allegedly said "bomb" in a very low voice.

If he said bomb in a whisper or yelled bomb at the top of his lungs, a bomb is a bomb.

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I would not call that disorderly conduct--it wouldn't have been we weren't crazy fearful. I am guessing that it wouldn't have been if he had been a 60 year old southern white grandfather. The screeners would probably have given him the benefit of the doubt, asked him to spell it out, and then let him go when the object was identified.

Do you have statistics to back up this assumption?
I was under the impression that saying bomb in an airport is a pretty color blind, non-sexist, and non-age specific way to get yourself in trouble.

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I am saying this rampant fear is making us turn on each other as fellow Americans, as fellow human beings. It reminds me of the Japanese internment camps, the early early days of Nazi Germany, or the Chinese Cultural Revolution. I am saying I don't like it, and not just because it's wrong. When mob fear goes unchecked, I can very well be the next Mardin Azad Amin.

Not saying it's right but it's understandable that people are over-reacting on recent flights, It's the latest threat. After 9/11 people were over-reacting to placing themselves in highrise office buildings. This too will eventually blow over and most people will go back to their normal
lives. Hopefully before the internment camps open for business.

Posting to stir stuff up.

KELKHIL

Friday, August 25, 2006 4:01 PM

Yup I meant $10,000. I am not sure if he plea bargined it down to something else but if not it was a felony.

Kelkhil

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, August 25, 2006 4:36 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
IMHO, this is akin to the present Government making assumptions about the terrorist threat and fanning the flames of fear.

That's a fair criticism. I obviously disagree, but I can see where you're coming from.

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If he said bomb in a whisper or yelled bomb at the top of his lungs, a bomb is a bomb.

To me the spirit of the law behind disorderly conduct is the intent to create disorder. Knowingly yelling a fake bomb scare at the top of one's lungs would indicate intent to create disorder. Whispering "bomb" (if indeed that is what he said) to hide a penis pump does not. Again, I am not saying there should be no consequences if he were guilty--just that the charge doesn't match the crime.

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Do you have statistics to back up this assumption?

No. I said I was guessing. There was no assumption.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

CITIZEN

Friday, August 25, 2006 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
But he says he didn't say "Bomb."

According to this article, we only have that one lady's word that he did. It's her word against his.

Why is everyone so quick to jump to the conclusion that the security screener was the one who was right?

Why are you so quick to assume he didn't?

I'd imagine being faced with a felony would be a good incentive to change one's story.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, August 25, 2006 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Why are you so quick to assume he didn't?

I say again, I don't know what happened. I don't assume anything.

As I said, I find it hard to believe that any man with a name like that in his right mind would say bomb to a screener. I mean there are other lies that can be told to hide the pump. Maybe he's not in his right mind, or maybe he secretly didn't want to go to Turkey and was sabotaging his trip on purpose, so I am not saying he couldn't have had a motive. Just that the given motive doesn't make sense to me.

Now absence of a motive doesn't automatically prove it didn't happen. It does make me question the charges and wonder if this is really what happened. I can see how you might interpret these questions as "assuming he didn't," but they are not the same thing.

I know of someone who made an honest mistake at an airport security checkpoint--something like this situation--back before 9/11. The misunderstanding was cleared up, and she was let go with a police write-up. No charges were filed. This perspective may have come across in my posts--that people should be given the benefit of the doubt until a real threat can be verified (maybe he should have been asked to spell what he was saying or write it down). But again, advocating a little benefit of the doubt isn't the same thing as assuming he didn't do it.

I understand that things have to be different now after 9/11, but it seems to me that things are not only different, but way overboard.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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