Will slur cost GOP hopeful the White House?
POSTED BY: FellowTraveler
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 17:38
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dreamtrove,
You're missing my point. (Well, I'm assuming that you're replying to my post since I don't get notification anymore). My point was not that Allen was trying to subtly drive up support among the supremacist community*. My point was that Allen was engaging in bullying. How he chose to bully the videographer was using a number of different tactics, one of which was to use a slur that would fly under the radar of those not in the know (in the same way that, when many people say, "liberal hollywood elite," what others hear is, "Hollywood Jew").
I watch the video and I see bullying. You watch the video and I guess you don't see that.
The larger point I was making was that the good-natured bully type of personality is one that Allen and Bush share (Bush's parceling out of nicknames, the shoulder rub to the German leader and the kissing of bald men's heads are all examples of domination at work - in other words, Bush uses words and actions to put people in their place). In this instance, Allen was putting someone in their place in such a way that it could all be laughed off if he was ever called on it.
This type of personality resonates with some voters and we've already seen one President elected and re-elected who exhibits these traits and had limited experience. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw it again.
* Allen doesn't need to convince supremacists to vote for him. They know all about his credentials (for example - his commission of what is typically considered a hate crime during his adolescence).
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Webb's campaign also put out a cartoon during the Democratic primary portraying his Jewish opponent with a large hook nose and money spilling from his pockets.
Just wanted to update this thread. I hadn't seen the entire Webb ad until it was reproduced over at David Neiwert's blog (along with some good commentary on Webb's use of racist imagery in this particular instance and Allen's ties to white supremacist organizations). The entire entry, in my opinion, is a good read. Here are a couple of money quotes: "Democrats cannot hope to make gains with racist voters without irrevocably compromising their core principles, particularly their dedication to civil rights and racial justice"; "I hope Jim Webb can unseat George Allen. But I hope that his success doesn't cost the Democratic Party its soul." (from http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/09/wrong-kind-of-tradition.html ).
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Hey ZERO
Originally posted by SignyM:
Many people secretly agree with Allen.
Originally posted by Hero:
About the flag?
NOPE. About the NOOSES the idiot keeps hanging in his office. Asswipe.
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Fellow Traveller,
I was not refering to you as a potentially snooping sleeze democrat, I was refering to Webb, sorry you took offense.
This whole case reminds me somewhat of the congressional race in my sister's disctrict. The democrat had someone break into an office and steal sealed files from a case to use as campaign material against the republican, which is blatantly illegal. OTOH, the files showed that the republican had in fact pulled a gun on his wife during a domestic dispute. It's times like this where a prepared third party candidate could win.
Soupcatcher,
I've done enough digging now to come to the conclusion that Allen is esentially a chimpanzee in a suit, and I can't actually credit him with any planned motivation at all. Now I think he's just an ass and he's being an ass as much as he can. He was probably frustrated and unhappy with the presence of a non-white democrat and so he cranked up the pump on his one singular brain cell, and came up with this brilliant maneuver.
You're right about the bullying, and they're both chimpanzee, he and bush, and should be sent to a zoo somewhere.
I disagree about the 'jew' translation. I think another one of the cheap trick of 'everyone who disagree with me is a racist.'
the liberal hollywood elite is just that. It's almost one-sidedly liberal, it is hollywood, and it's undoubtedly the most elitest club we have. Only about 60% of them are jewish. Joss isn't jewish, but he's still part of the elite, his father was a Tv producer and his grandfather was a Tv producer. He didn't break into this field because of his talent, his talent was completely a coincidence. He has his job because he inherited the position. There's virtually no merit to the system whatsoever. And, if anyone in it is *gasp* a conservative, they get shreded. I think Joss is given a little bit of a cold shoulder not even in the least bit because he's not jewish, but because he's not liberal enough. He won't lace his shows with stock liberal propoganda messages that are in most shows and movies. He's not "one of us" and that's why he he gets cancelled. I no longer believe in the cold finanical ratings game, I think the whole system is being engineered by a small group of suits, many of whom are not jewish.
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Great read, SoupCatcher. Thanks for the link. I am ashamed that I did not know about Allen's association with those groups. I am, however, even more ashamed that my choice for Senate in VA is either of these scumbags.
DT, no problem. I was being a pissy little b*tch. Too much coffee, I suspect...
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Great read, SoupCatcher. Thanks for the link. I am ashamed that I did not know about Allen's association with those groups. I am, however, even more ashamed that my choice for Senate in VA is either of these scumbags.
Glad you found it interesting, FellowTraveler. I agree that it is shameful when Democratic candidates for office engage in the strategy that the GOP has found so effective, Nixon's Southern Strategy. I have completely given up on the GOP mainly for that reason, that they have reached out to and made use of racism as part of their overall strategy. It's consistent with another of their strategies, the leverage homophobia strategy. One national discrimination party is enough. We don't need two. So when the only other viable candidate engages in similar tactics where does that leave citizens who don't believe in beating the "fear the other" horse? Fortunately for our nation, Democratic candidates appealing to racist stereotypes as a campagin strategy is more of an anomaly. However, it is important to make sure that this doesn't become a trend. When millions of racist Democratic voters jumped to the GOP during the fifties and sixties in response to the Civil Rights movement that was a good thing for the Democratic party. With Republicans starting to jump to the Democratic party (Webb in Virginia and other elected officials in Kansas, for example) it is important to send the message that the embrace racism strategies that work for the GOP should be left behind.
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Mit Romney for President! 
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I disagree about the 'jew' translation. I think another one of the cheap trick of 'everyone who disagree with me is a racist.'
I'm not sure I've got my point across - at least with respect to that one sentence that you're responding to here - so I'll try again. To go back, here's what I wrote: "How he chose to bully the videographer was using a number of different tactics, one of which was to use a slur that would fly under the radar of those not in the know (in the same way that, when many people say, 'liberal hollywood elite,' what others hear is, 'Hollywood Jew')." I wasn't talking about reality, which we can argue back and forth about. I was talking about stereotypes. If you've never heard someone use the phrase Jew York City, or Jewlywood, or other similar references then it's a bit harder to explain. I've heard people make those references. And I've also heard people make references to Liberal Hollywood, or Liberal New York using the same disgust in their voice. In other words, the terms are synonyms but used with different audiences. If they were with like-minded people they would say Jew York City. If they're not sure about the views they would say Liberal New York. What bigots have learned is to disguise their bigotry, not change their ignorant point of view.
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I gut feeling is just that the world jewish population, like the world christian population, the republicans in congress, etc., should catch up to the current times and realize "you're not the oppressed, you're the people in charge, so drop the victim act."
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If you've never heard someone use the phrase Jew York City, or Jewlywood, or other similar references then it's a bit harder to explain.
the only person who ever said "jew york city" is steven colbert.
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And I've also heard people make references to Liberal Hollywood, or Liberal New York using the same disgust in their voice. In other words, the terms are synonyms but used with different audiences.
I think this is an absurd claim. liberals are 50% of the nations population, jews are 5%. That's like saying 45% of liberals don't matter because they're not jewish, which is something a fair number of jews I've known probably actually believe.
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If they were with like-minded people they would say Jew York City.
This is tantamount to saying that conservatives are nazis. Nazis, btw, were objectively left wing, hence, liberals, hence would not use the word 'liberal' in this regard.
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If they're not sure about the views they would say Liberal New York. What bigots have learned is to disguise their bigotry, not change their ignorant point of view.
Either that, - or - it's a very convenient thing for people who want to be offended like to believe, because it turns all their opponents into nazis.
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