Is Firefly suitable for children?

POSTED BY: chronicthehedgehog
UPDATED: Thursday, August 17, 2006 05:12
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LOSTDOG

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:29 PM

That is really hard to say. I recently have watched the pilot with my little brother,he is seven years old and he did not really pay attention. If he says it is scary, I will usually turn it up. Just kidding, I will change the channel if he is frightened. Kids are pretty smart though, as we all know. But I watch shows with him that he likes, Like Naruto and one piece, and they can be violent also. Naruto has actually gotten pretty good. Then you have the adult swim which is genius, and I am sure he tells his mom he is going to bed and secretly stays up to watch. Back to the question. I think it is really for the individuals parent to decide, I mean, they know their kids better than anybody.
Now, if I had to give a one sentence answer, I would say no. Of course, with few exceptions. I realize that was more than one sentence.

DARKFLY

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:35 PM

It is up to the parents & I'm fine with that,as I said it is only my view everybody has their own views people are bound to disagree or agree but just remember were all Browncoats we don't need to fight leave that for FOX,we shouldn't take this to far or get to wound up about it.

Oh and all you leftie's(Left hander's)happy Left Handed Day.It's Left Handed Day today,I myself am one my brother also.At least when your writing on a computer you don't smudge the writing.

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Things are about to get interesting...Define interesting...Oh GOD oh GOD we're all going to die.

LOSTDOG

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:43 PM

I don't see any fighting. I just see people responding with their own opinions. Like, you said, we are all browncoats. So give each browncoat their chance to respond. Whether it makes sense or not. PEACE!!!

DARKFLY

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:51 PM

Well I just meant...um I don't know maybe were taking it to seriously that's all.

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Things are about to get interesting...Define interesting...Oh GOD oh GOD we're all going to die.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:10 PM

Hey Chronic saw your post on the other thread about this. I posted that most six year old children have seen Star Wars. They understand that the death in SCI-FI movies is fake. The problem with FF is the characters seem more "real". In my experience( Watching with a 10yr old )the same child that can view Obiwan getting lightsabered and say nothing, does not view Mal kicking a man through a moving engine the same way. I think that speaks volumes for Joss' ability at creating characters that people easily connect with, even 10yr. olds. The only other issue is some language..."Whoring" etc.. And because it does come up multiple times, kids will ask what that means....If they don't already know....My sad social commentary....I believe most ten year olds know what a whore is..ever listen to the children on the playground?

*edit*..Not saying they can tell there parents what it costs and where to get it, but they would be in the ballpark on the definition. And to all parents I advocate never telling a child under the age of 15....where to get it...And never give them the cashy money for it if they are under 17..........Kidding.

YINYANG

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:15 PM

It should always be the responsibility of the parent to choose what their children watch - to a point. For example (and I'm using generic names because it's funnier): Suzie is 15 years old, yet her mother doesn't allow her to see PG-13 shows or movies. Not cool.

So, how about Firefly? Well, it's been my experience that by age ten or eleven, children (in the public school system of America) already know all the words. And, fights break out in schools, too. As for the prostitution, lesbianism, and sexual scences: the first goes over their heads (for the most part); the second is one that children should be exposed to so they don't become homophobes; and the third, in my experience, is either boring or goes over their heads.

It is my opinion that children under ten, however, should not be allowed to view all of Firefly. I think that "Shindig" would be fine for the really young kids. And, for toddlers and infants? Who cares (I'm kidding!)? I don't think toddlers and infants should watch TV if the only programs on are trash like Barney and The Wiggles.

::shudders::

Children's television scares me...

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CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:17 PM

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Oh and Chronic, i like the signature.

Woohoo, another Tower junkie! Finding one is as exciting as finding another firefly fan!

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:

I'd hold up Gargoyles as the perfect example of a children's series. Yeah, it was dark, violent, brooding, and philosophical, but it treated its audience intelligently. It didn't shy away from violence (in fact, some characters [including the heroes] actively relied on it as a problem-solving solution), but included the consequences of it. Characters didn't just become a 'ship and stall out, but evolved deep relationships --which carried their own consequences (Fox/Xanatos, Fox' pregnancy and estrangement from her father, Alex' birth, Xanatos' reevaluation of his priorities, Renard's acceptance of his grandson. . .). Bad Guys weren't just moustache-twirling archetypes, but had motivations and justifications, and had to work to redeem themselves (instead of just turning Good), sometimes unsuccessfully.

Gargoyles was amazing, I watched it as an adult (if you can class being 19/20 as an adult) and it had me in awe. I think the episode where Broadway accidentally shot Eliza was the most grown-up storyline I've ever seen in a kids cartoon. It also had some of the most complex plotting I've seen in anything. Have you seen the new comic book? It continues where season two left off and ignores all that silly Goliath Chronicles nonsense.

Also (getting completely off topic) if you're a fan of Gargoyles you should check out Justice League, it's a similarily adult themed kids show and has some of the most adult relationships I've seen in anything. And even better, it features the voices of Nathan Fillion, Adam Baldwin, Morena Baccarin and Gina Torres!

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I do not kill with my hand.
He who kills with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Hey Chronic saw your post on the other thread about this. I posted that most six year old children have seen Star Wars. They understand that the death in SCI-FI movies is fake. The problem with FF is the characters seem more "real". In my experience( Watching with a 10yr old )the same child that can view Obiwan getting lightsabered and say nothing, does not view Mal kicking a man through a moving engine the same way. I think that speaks volumes for Joss' ability at creating characters that people easily connect with, even 10yr. olds. The only other issue is some language..."Whoring" etc.. And because it does come up multiple times, kids will ask what that means....If they don't already know....My sad social commentary....I believe most ten year olds know what a whore is..ever listen to the children on the playground?

To an extent I agree with you about Star Wars but my other example, Indiana Jones, I think is very different. As a kid I loved Star Wars but I believed in Indy. He was as real as a movie could be to a little kid. He was absolutely my hero. But to see him pull out a gun and shoot a guy wasn't horrifying, it was funny, it was cool and ultimately in my mind it was very real. I think to see Mal push someone into a engine would have had a similar impact. Alternately, I think Kaylee getting shot or Tracey's death would have affected me more because that's presented as real. I'd have much more difficult showing that to a child than the engine thing.

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I do not kill with my hand.
He who kills with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:32 PM

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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Hey Chronic saw your post on the other thread about this. I posted that most six year old children have seen Star Wars. They understand that the death in SCI-FI movies is fake. The problem with FF is the characters seem more "real". In my experience( Watching with a 10yr old )the same child that can view Obiwan getting lightsabered and say nothing, does not view Mal kicking a man through a moving engine the same way. I think that speaks volumes for Joss' ability at creating characters that people easily connect with, even 10yr. olds. The only other issue is some language..."Whoring" etc.. And because it does come up multiple times, kids will ask what that means....If they don't already know....My sad social commentary....I believe most ten year olds know what a whore is..ever listen to the children on the playground?

To an extent I agree with you about Star Wars but my other example, Indiana Jones, I think is very different. As a kid I loved Star Wars but I believed in Indy. He was as real as a movie could be to a little kid. He was absolutely my hero. But to see him pull out a gun and shoot a guy wasn't horrifying, it was funny, it was cool and ultimately in my mind it was very real. I think to see Mal push someone into a engine would have had a similar impact. Alternately, I think Kaylee getting shot or Tracey's death would have affected me more because that's presented as real. I'd have much more difficult showing that to a child than the engine thing.

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I do not kill with my hand.
He who kills with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

Yep I'm with you...felt the same way..And your example is better than mine(Kaylee etc.) That is the point I was trying to make.

LOSTDOG

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:33 PM

Yes, Justice League is a good cartoon. I like it even better now that I have found out the crew did the voices. Gargoyles was good, too. The guy who played Goliath, he had an awesome voice. Wasn't he in the movie Men at Work w/ Emilio and Charlie playing the ex-vietnam crazy guy?(He might prefer being remembered for other things, though) Okay, sorry way off subject. But he was funny in that movie.

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