There is a God, or There is no god the next generation
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 02:57
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Quote:Here you go.
Existentialism states that there are no universal truths. For something to be a universal truth EVERYONE has to believe it. So, in your example, even the blind have to believe that the sky is blue (which, I think, would be rather difficult, as they may not have any notion of color).
Can't somebody just start a new thread? It's really not that hard. Please?
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You beat me to it, citizen! I started one too.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=23013
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Oh, it's okay. One is good; two is better. 
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Here's a back-link
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Thanks citizen!
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Existentialism states that there are no universal truths. For something to be a universal truth EVERYONE has to believe it. So, in your example, even the blind have to believe that the sky is blue (which, I think, would be rather difficult, as they may not have any notion of color).
Yinyang - I see your point, but I can't take it that far or I'll end up laying in corner babbling "none of it's real, none of it's real..." and that's just not productive. Or fun.
My point is - the sky being blue is pretty universally agreed on. If you see (say, on TV or a painting) that certain shade of blue with a bird in it, you don't think, oh that bird is floating in the ocean. No - obviously it's the sky! And most everyone will agree because the sky is blue all over the world.
As for divinity and what is good and what is evil... none of that involves a single clear reality. That's all I mean by universal truth. Maybe a better phrase could be used, I don't know.
In any case, I felt that DukKati was using the statement "if God exists then Satan exists" with the same logical, um, power (do you know what I mean?) as "if a=b and b=c, then a=c", and that I certainly disagree with!
Anyway, have a good weekend folks! I'm outta here to enjoy my godless heathen weekend fun, yay!
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Gotcha, mal4prez! And, have a good time with 'the godless heathen weekend'!
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Quote:Small children believe in Santa. Most people accept that and don't tell their 4 year old that Santa is only a fiction, it's just your father and mother puting the presents under the tree--grow up, ya pipsqeek! Then there's the curmudgenly phase when we find out that Santa's all just a lie and we've been hoodwinked and our parents are unspeakably cruel for indulging our illusions. OED's original post expresses this phase to a "T." But later on, a lot of people accept Santa and return to believing in him, not as a literal man in a sleigh delivering 6 billion plus presents over the course of a few hours once a year, but as the embodiment of certain values: giving, charity, togetherness (is that really a word or was it invented by the Coca Cola Company?), etc. Santa is an ideal of wisdom and kindness which seems to transcend ordinary boundaries and unite all of us who partake in the yearly ritual of gift giving.
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
No God, No Santa, no Fairies at the bottom of my garden.
Just get over it and find something else to argue about will you?
Mightn't God be pretty much the same thing, only on a much broader scale?
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Quote:That's the whole point.
Brought over from previous thread, posted by Nanite1018:
Here's my problem with religion: there's no evidence to support it; other than people's word. Unfortunately, that's not good enough. This type of thing is so remarkbable, so important, that you can't just take people's word for it;
Science for the scientifical, Religion for the religigorical
.Can science help you create a moral code? Can science comfort you when a loved one dies? Can religion tell you the charge of an electron?
You don't say "my problem with cars is that they can't fly you across the Atkantic".
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Quote:Interestingly, I don't get any help from religion to create my moral code either. Maybe human beings don't need these "authorities" to do our thinking for us.
Originally posted by citizen:
Can science help you create a moral code? Can science comfort you when a loved one dies? Can religion tell you the charge of an electron?
I've always found the consolation of religion just a little absurd and mainly I see it used to deaden real feeling rather than express it, i.e.: "Don't cry, your mother has gone to a better place." Oooh, that makes me crazy mad!
The interesting thing about the charge of an electron is that the vast, vast majority of people live their entire lives without needing that information for themselves.
Haha! Both science and religion are equally useless! Haha!
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