If you are a Browncoat and a Christian....sound-off....NO AGENDA...just curious.
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I'm a Christian, and I love firefly, what else is there to say?
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Token Neopagan jumping in to comment on the Neopagan info. Sorry to hijack the thread - I'll keep it brief!
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Witches and neopagans themselves have found it impossible to agree on definitions of witchcraft and neopaganism,
Yep. We're a pretty eclectic group. Mostly because there are loads and loads of Pagan religions out there, not just Wicca, New Age, Neopagan stuff.
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but nevertheless claim to intuitively recognize those who worship the way they do. Therefore, instead of trying to define these movements by their doctrines or practices, Alexander cites their common attitudes.
That's more or less the Pagan way. We don't focus on what divides us or makes us different. Instead we search for common ground.
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These attitudes begin with the rejection of established society and include:
I wouldn't agree with this statement. Pagans don't reject established society. We may reject certain aspects of the modern world - obviously we're not Christian (although there are Pagans out there who embrace Christian ritual and are happy to walk that path) and we try to be more spiritual than commerical (although you only have to google "Pagan stores" to see we can be as capitalist as anybody else) but we don't go around saying "society bad, anarchy good!" We're part of society. We're not just this mad group on the fringes. We're doctors, lawyers, teachers, we're in the police forces and the military. We're a minority, but we're society. Just like everyone else.
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• Rejection of Christian monotheism in favor of the animistic, polytheistic, or pantheistic powers believed to be available “for enlightenment and occult empowerment”;
Yes and No. Pagans aren't polytheistic exactly. We believe that there is a God, Higher Power, Deity, Spiritual Being, whatever. We see it as both male and female. And we try to keep in touch with that Deity, through many different methods from many different religions around the world, since we see any belief that tries to bring you closer to that Deity as valid. All the Gods and Goddesses - El, Yaweh, Jehovah, Zeus, Inanna, Brighid, Astarte - these are all aspects of The Deity. They speak to us of the Deity itself, but they're not the complete picture. Some Pagans will latch on to one or more of these aspects, while others will just use the generic terms The Goddess and The God. As far as we're concerned, it's all the same thing.
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• Rejection of the concept of sin and of the need for salvation;
Yes and No. If you do something wrong it comes back to haunt you. There's no "get out of hell free" salvation card. But we don't do the right thing because we fear the consequences. We do it because we choose to be a positive force in the world.
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• Rejection of accountability to any higher power in favor of “an ethic of self-will tempered by mysticism”; and
Nope. We're accountable all right. But if we make mistakes or do something harmful we see that as our fault and our choice, not the result of temptation or an outside force. So we have to accept the consequences of that - which is pretty much summed up in the phrase "What goes around comes around."
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• Inclination to goddess or nature worship, feminism, and environmentalism.
Yeah, this would be right. Although in general we don't worship The Goddess to the exclusion of The God. Some traditions do, but that only gives you half the picture. We see both male and female as being in perfect balance with one another, and both equally part of The Deity.
That would be my personal take on my own beliefs, but from what I know it's also in accordance with most Neopagan/Wiccan belief systems. Not Christian though, so I'll butt out now.
I do think it's really cool that my beliefs can be so different to yours and yet we still find common ground in Firefly. Does anyone else think that's cool?
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Born-again Browncoat here. :)
Anyone have the link to the Christian organization that reviewed Serenity & had pretty much good things to say about it?
Joss' story arcs often are about redemption. What's anti-Christian about that?
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Do note, all the opinions you've responed to were merely quotes, not opionions of the browncoated ones.
Nerthelss, point well taken.
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Do note, all the opinions you've responed to were merely quotes, not opionions of the browncoated ones.
Yep, I saw that
In fact some of it is even taken from Pagan sources! It just seemed a little inaccurate. The collective noun for Pagans isn't a coven, it's an argument!Stay shiny, Oh Shiny One
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"In general, my only problem with the Church is with the Establishment. I'm too much of a non-conformist to accept Obedience as a cardinal virtue. Can't imagine that any God worth following would prefer Hir followers to be willfully ignorant (honest ignorance, I can stomache, but willfully avoiding learning? I think that's a sin).
Officially, there are things humans are not capable of comprehending, and so it's a "sin" for us to try. I don't hold to that. I think our minds (and specifically, our imaginations) are the most critical aspects of our existence. I don't think there is anything we can't comprehend. Up to and including the mind of God. I think it's our responsibility to confront and learn from the things that most offend us. (Can you tell I grew up watching Star Trek? )"
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This Browncoat is Christian. Now this a Shiny example of a family. I see many who believe in God and are in that particular "Family". Yet at the same time, we have here those who are not of that "Family", BUT ARE a part of this Browncoat family! Shiny! Too many of our world nit pick the the differences of the beliefs of others to the point of shunning the very ones Christian are reaching out to. I'm glad at least here we find a FAMILY to which we can be a part of and not fight about our differences in beliefs.
Stay Shiny Y'all.
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Wash: Closing in.
Zoe: Planet's coming up a might fast.
Wash: That's just 'cause I'm goin' down too quick. Likely crash and kill us all.
Mal: Well, if that happens, let me know.
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Yep Im a Born again believer..
Thanks go to Captian Bryan and his crew. Who are all born again.
We may not act like what most nonbelievers think we should act like but nonbelievers don't know what we know.
I've been through the system.
It don't work.
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Not a Christian, but a believer of Christian ideals. Kinda hard to label them strictly as Christian ideals, many beliefs and religions share them.
Religion, just like math and speech, are abstract ideas. You can't touch 2+2 or our many languages just as you can't touch God. At least not on this plane.
If a belief changes from abstract to concrete, it becomes law. Faith and law have no place with each other except with totalitarians and fanatics.
Love your fellow man, the earth we walk upon, and yourself. If that is not the ultimate goal of God, than what is its purpose?
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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Love your fellow man, the earth we walk upon, and yourself. If that is not the ultimate goal of God, than what is its purpose?
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(well this is me talking now I dont know why it keeps making it look quoted)
[maybe a solid line will work){nope it didnt oh well}
I could tell you what HIS ultimate goal is.
But I thought this thread was to say "Yes Im a Christian and I like Firefly er..a being a Browncoat... wait I could be wrong let me check........yea it says it right there at the top "NO AGENDA"
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I've been through the system.
It don't work.
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