There is no God.
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UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2025 05:01
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Jumpin' in to say I believe in God.
And The Goddess.
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Quote:Our universe collapsed into a point of singularity, although the 'Big Crunch' took Billions of years to play out the final collapse took billionths of a second and the resulting singularity was unstable, causing it to explode, creating the big bang that started our universe.
Originally posted by Traveler:
The universe is made of particles which we call mass and sometimes with enough effort we have energy. You know, light, gravity, heat, etc.
Now will someone tell me where all this mass, that is bouncing, around came from.
I've heard of the big bang. But what went bang?
Did someone put their car in reverse by mistake and hit the person behind them? BANG!
There is no beginning there is no end, there is no first time through the loop of creation/destruction and there is no last time through. This is both the first iteration and the nth iteration through the loop.
If this sounds strange it is. We live in a universe of physics, causality and linear time but these are emergent properties of our universe, at the point of singularity our universe does not exist, neither does it’s emergent property of time, so the end and the beginning of our physical universe could exist at the same point.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Whence then is tapeworm?
Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?
Because man was created for the opportunity to be in a free-willed relationship with God. Without free will, love is nothing. Without choice of good and evil, free will is nothing. God lets evil exist for free will's sake.
eh- So I'll burn in hell.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:Well, yes.... and no.
Regardless, it begs the question, if it's so obvious that god isn't real, why do so many people believe? Is it hardwired into the human mind?
To say that everyone believes in "god" is false. There have been are still are significant populations where "God" is not a feature. And many religions worshipped gods that TODAY would be alien and unthinkable... our concept of the "higher power" is so malleable to our civilization that I suspect there is nothing intrinsic about the belief in "god" except the most inchoate recognition of our very small place in the 'verse and our tendency for anthropomorphism.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:Ask a wrong question and you'll get a wrong answer. "What" presupposes an entity. So does the word "why"? I think the REAL question is "how"?
I think the question is "What" made this world.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Regardless, it begs the question, if it's so obvious that god isn't real, why do so many people believe? Is it hardwired into the human mind? Are they all just sheep?
Should those of us who think we see a deeper truth try to wake up the great mass of the deluded? Do we have any business, or any right to do that? Or should we leave them in their reverie, contented with their myths and happy bedtime stories?
Frankly, I'm not sure. People generally don't like to hear that their most cherished beliefs are hogwash. They certainly don't want to see themselves as suckers.
And here's the bigger question. Do the vast majority of human being need to believe to stay sane? It certainly seems like a possibility. So what if we do manage to convince everyone that god is just a myth, and they all go crazy?
I think it depends on the type of belief they have.
A lot of religion is based on fear, and I think that's what burns most anti-religion types up. The idea that you have to please a Deity by following a strict set of rules or you will be punished for all eternity, or believing in God so you have someone to help when things go terribly wrong - a lot of people see that as irrational, and I can understand why. Certainly if you try to take those beliefs away from people you're setting yourself up for a pretty nasty response. Or perhaps a mental breakdown.
For me, personally, a belief based on fear is no kind of belief at all. My belief that there is a Deity comes from my knowledge of the world around me. I'm not a scientist, so I only have a vague knowledge of biology and physics and so on, but when I see the world around me... how perfectly it works, how it all fits together, how it took millions of years of geological change and evolution to get things juuuuust right to create us, how beautifully perfect photosynthesis is, how everything is connected, how we're all basically recycled piles of stardust walking and talking and thinking and aware and questioningand trying to figure out who we are and why we're here... Lots of people see that as a random collection of unrelated events creating something unique. I see a pattern, a purpose. I don't know what that purpose is - if I did I wouldn't worship The Devine, I'd be Devine, but for me it's just wholly inconceivable that we're just some random cosmic glitch that showed up purely through evolution. I see everything that exists as part of something much greater than what we are currently scientifically aware of. And I don't really think there's any proof out there that could convince me otherwise. But I'm also aware that there's nothing I can say that would convince someone who doesn't see this pattern that it's there. Still, you can't have a pattern if the threads are all the same, can you?
I'm getting metaphorey. Not a good sign. Here's a question. Who do athiests talk to during sex? I'm just curious.
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Hi all... Speaking as someone who used to hang out with God's son a couple of millenia ago I just wanted to say that whilst He wasn't the most hands-on of Dad's (I mean, apparently He never got up in the middle of the night (thought techinically speaking He's up all the time) and didn't change a single nappy in all of Jesus' infancy...) he helped to raise a pretty awesome son!
Of course for those of you who are wanting to know all the truth of our relationship (mine and Jesus) He did kiss me on the... (maybe I'd better not reveal the plot twist in my gospel... someone'll find a complete version eventually, a no-holes barred one 
) I did not marry the man... can you imagine living up to the standard of his mother????? I mean, she is one lovely lady, and amazing in how constant her faith was - but believe me there's no way any woman would be good enough to marry her eldest son!!! It'd be a hard act to follow for any woman and I had my hands full with litigation against the men who tried to paint me as a 'jezebel' and slandered my reputation, claiming I'd had several demons living in me... and all this whilst trying to establish the early church...
Well - I guess I've made it pretty clear that I am on personal terms with both God and His son... (haven't spoken with his mother for a while though 
) I just wanted to add that faeries are real... stop mis-spelling it please (like I can talk with my bad spelling!!
) and only people who don't know any better don't believe in Santa...
Also - there is a special hell, and people who think George W Bush is on God's side are going there...!!! 
Shalom Friends - Magdalena x x x
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how it took millions of years of geological change and evolution to get things juuuuust right to create us,
Millions? Try billions of years.
That's what most people don't understand about evolution. It took so long for everything to happen; but, the time is so massive that (most) people cannot understand it. I can't even imagine millions of years, much less billions.
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Quote:They become A_Firefly_Fan
Originally posted by SergeantX:
So what if we do manage to convince everyone that god is just a myth, and they all go crazy? Hmmm... I
And ME if I'm not careful Chrisisall
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Quote:No you weren't.
Originally posted by Whimsicalnbrainpan:
S'ok CHRISISALL. I was just hoping for some lively debate.
This is Contradiction Pythonisall
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