Opinion on Iraq has changed recently.

POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, July 28, 2006 17:54
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GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, July 28, 2006 5:45 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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The point I'm trying to make is that what do the Japenese have to do to get you to leave.... start up the war again ?

Japan does not want us to leave, neither does South Korea. Our troops are a check on Chinese and North Korean aggression.

If we left Japan would be forced to invest tens of billions in a military buildup to secure its interests and security. To do otherwise would invite aggressive militaristic neighbors to fill the vaccum.

H

Some of these links are 10 years old, it shows a pattern and I say while the governments in some of these places tolerate US bases, but the people really don't want them their... this causes resentment and a general dislike for the US, its troops and its policies

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/okinawa_lease/index.html
" Okinawan landowners are refusing to extend the leases on some U.S. military bases."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/01/14/edstein_ed3_.php

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/FB04Dg01.html

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2004/08/the_sun_will_ne.php

" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack

Run to the hills run for your lives "

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12

SIGNYM

Friday, July 28, 2006 5:54 PM

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These men and women clearly have no idea why they are there. They all felt like they are just riding around waiting to get blown up. They also believe that Iraq will have a civil war the moment we leave. If this the case, shouldn't we just withdraw now?

One soldier replied, when asked about morale, " It's like taking what you hate most about your job..doing it five hours a day, in 120 degree heat, getting shot at doing so, and sand in your underwear to boot...than ask yourself about morale!...All for what? we don't know..none of us gives a (expletive - expletive) whether or not Iraq is a democracy. So one side has to win. Be it Shiite, be it Sunni. I don't care. It's apparent, these people have made it obvious they can't live in unity."

Can fragging* be far behind?

For those too young to remember Vietnam:

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"Frag" is a term from the Vietnam War, most commonly meaning to assassinate an unpopular member of one's own fighting unit by dropping a fragmentation grenade into the victim's tent at night. A hand grenade was used because it would not leave any fingerprints, and because a ballistics test could not be done (as it could to match a bullet with a firearm). A fragging victim could also be killed by intentional friendly fire during combat. In either case, the death would be blamed on the enemy, and, due to the dead man's unpopularity, no one would contradict the cover story. .... During the Vietnam War, fragging was surprisingly common. At least 600 American officers were murdered by their own troops in documented cases, and as many as 1,400 other officers' deaths could not be explained[1]. As many as 25% of all officer casualties during the war were due to fragging.

During the Iraq War, there have been two instances of fragging: the murders of Captain Phillip Esposito and Lt. Louis Allen by Staff Sgt. Alberto Martinez and the murder of two officers in Kuwait by Hasan Akbar.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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