Prison inmates committing suicide now an act of warfare on the US
POSTED BY: Khyron
UPDATED: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:01
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I just have to get into the possible puns here.
For example:
Gitmo Prisoners Dying for Media Attention
Gitmo Prisoners Just Hanging Around
Gitmo Prisoners Have a Swinging Time
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Originally posted by SimonF:
It's also a "good PR move to draw attention" according to the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy.
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I did a little more reading of Slick's answers.
What he doesn't tell you is that ALL prisoners are to be treated humanely. There are just two specific differences between 'protected' prisoners and those who are not : 1) free access to outside communication (but international agencies allowed), and 2) legal representation (equivocal reading).
However, torture, humiliation, threats against family members etc are not allowed whether protected or not. Also, medical personnel are forbidden to participate in torture for all prisoners.
There is a misconception - which Slick is only to happy to foster - that if a prisoner is not protected by the Geneva Convention then anything goes. Or at least, it's vague and ill-defined territory. Nothing could be less true.
to quote from SignyM:
I'm sure Geezer will find a way to defend-misdirect-trivialize-ignore the whole issue!
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Oh, wait.... he already did.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ah, becasue WE are "lawful combatants" (who just happened to unlawfully invade a nation) and therefore deserve GC treatment.
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According to Geezer "our guys" are "lawful combatants" altho engaged in an unlawful action.
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So according to Geezer, "they" treat our lawful combatants well. End of discussion.
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Actually, what I'm getting out of this discussion is that you intend to restrict the topic to how "lawful combatants" are treated.
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Originally posted by Chrisisall:
Signy, Maybe Geezer considers your 'combative' arguments 'unlawful', and therefore he has the right to treat them any way he wants, no matter what the Haken Convention says.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The problem is as Citizen put it: Geezer wants unlawful combatants to be bound by the Geneva Convention but not protected by it. And by avoiding the issue of unlawful combatants, Geezer seeks to paint "us good- them bad".
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But not to worry! I'm sure Geezer will find a way to defend-misdirect-trivialize-ignore the whole issue!
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Originally posted by Rue:
There is a misconception - which Slick is only to happy to foster - that if a prisoner is not protected by the Geneva Convention then anything goes. Or at least, it's vague and ill-defined territory. Nothing could be less true.
This is so cool! I don't even have to spend any time actually participating in the discussion to be part of it. Of course, what I actually say or think doesn't get accurately reflected in these little attempts at mind reading, but that would just interfere with your rants anyway.
Here's some stuff to keep you raving. I'll check back in a while to see if you need more.
"America is not perfect, but is far from evil"
"The economy is doing pretty good"
"Iraq will turn out all right"
And one to really hack you off:
Suicide is forbidden by Islam, but not martyrdom. The recent world has plenty of examples of Muslims killing themselves in attacks against their enemies. Suicude belts - Suicide car bombs - Suicide planes into buildings...then off to paradise and your virgins. With no other resources to fight with, dedicated Jihadists might consider coordinated suicide a propaganda strike against the infidels, hence a martyrdom. Asymmetric warfare, if you please.
Enjoy.
"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
"The economy is doing pretty good"
I can't believe you just said this!! That is really pissing me off now!! How can you say that!?!? Slick, it's "The economy is doing pretty WELL", not "good"! You surely must be the anti-Christ! This is war, Slick!!
Seriously though, Geezer, let's assume for argument's sake that it was nothing more than a propaganda move by the inmates.
i) Do you really think propaganda moves are an act of warfare? Propaganda is often associated with warfare, but that doesn't make it an act of war. Otherwise pretty much anything can be seen by the administration as an act of warfare, which is probably what it wants so that it can invade countries "in retaliation" as it pleases.
ii) If the suicides are seen as an anti-American PR move, what do you think that comment that they're an act of asymmetric warfare is? Of course it wasn't intended to be, but it's pissing a lot of Americans off, so you can imagine how pissed the rest of the world is at this. This will just be fuel for the fire, and so if that dude who said it thinks propaganda is an act of warfare, then, well, he just unintentionally committed treason.
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Quote:Geezer, I was just goofing on ya back there, but seriously, this is my entire problem right here.
Originally posted by Geezer:
"America is not perfect, but is far from evil"
ONE MAN gets tortured (or neglected- take your pick) to the point that death seems like a good idea, and we've touched that evil.
The more it happens and is not CRUSHED where it is, the more we are embracing evil.
We put these things into place for reasons, reasons that would not sit too well with Christ or Buddha.
We are NOT that far from evil, and your inability to either see or admit it is the real bone of contention for me with you on this thread.
That said, you are a decent fellow, don't take this a a big slam, I have my blind spots as well.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Oh YEAH??? I'll show YOU! (stabs self in eye) SEE? How do you like THIS??? (cuts off own finger) Take THAT! (shoots self in knee) And now - I'll REALLY get you! (stabs self in heart)
With no other resources to fight with, dedicated Jihadists might consider coordinated suicide a propaganda strike against the infidels, hence a martyrdom. Asymmetric warfare, if you please.
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Geezer, the defender of evil, applauds.
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Looks like SignyM just committed an act of genocide on himself. Take THAT, America!
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Quote:Ahh, you'll just have them kill themselves in your asymmetrical war against France.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
Vive, oui, morte, NO!!! Tan pis...Chrisisall
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Well, I do hate the French...
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Oh YEAH??? I'll show YOU! (stabs self in eye) SEE? How do you like THIS??? (cuts off own finger) Take THAT! (shoots self in knee) And now - I'll REALLY get you! (stabs self in heart)
With no other resources to fight with, dedicated Jihadists might consider coordinated suicide a propaganda strike against the infidels, hence a martyrdom. Asymmetric warfare, if you please.
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Geezer, the defender of evil, applauds.
Well, you can't improve on the classics.
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Other stratagems abounded, of course. One of the most effective - and most disturbing - involved an army of the state of Yueh in 496 BCE that fielded three ranks of men armed with very sharp swords in front of their main army. They had to have been very sharp, because according to the histories of the battle, the first thing they did after charging into the field was, er, decapitate themselves.
Yes, you read that right - WHACK, thump thump thump.
The enemy army was so freaked at the sight that they pretty much stood there going 'bwah?', and failed to recover in time to successfully defend against the rest of the army. It sounds counterintuitive to do something like this, but in point of fact this was one of the most eerily effective stratagems of the time. See, those three rows weren't composed of soldiers, per se. The men in the front were convicts who had been dragged out of prison by the government of their home state and given a choice: become suicide troops for us right now, or we start killing your family members.
http://www.megaloceros.net/hist11.htm
And how much more effective with committed jihadists eager to get to paradise.
"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"
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