Michael Moore sued for Farenheit 9/11
POSTED BY: Amiton
UPDATED: Monday, June 5, 2006 03:06
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Originally posted by Hero:
I'm a REALLY good old boy Republican, the kind who sent troops to break black chains.
"Break Black Chains"? No. He sent troops to preserve the nation. A noble goal, but don't confuse things. Lincoln didn't make the war about slavery until he was desperate for anything to stop the British and French from recognising the Confederacy. Plus, the Emancipation Proclamation was a purely political move. It stated that the slaves of a foreign nation were free, completely ignoring slaves still in the Union. Dont delude yourself about his motives.
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Party of TR
Imperialist whose exploitation of Cuba led to the modern Communist regime.
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, Reagan,
Bankrupted the U.S. for horribly expensive and highly redundant ways of blowing up Russians and stopping missiles.
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Bush
Don't even get me started on HIM. A well meaning fool at best, a blatant Imperialist at worst.
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...all the same theme. Liberty, rugged individualism, American Manifest Destiny
Liberty? Hardly. Rugged individualism? If you call following the party line and/or the PNAC line and/or the Corporate interests, then yeah, your right there.
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to bring the blessings of liberty to a dark and stormy world.
Did you ever think that maybe the rest of the world isn't sitting there saying to themselves "Damn, I wish the Americans would come over and impose their system on us, and blow up my home in the process." ? Did you ever think that maybe we dont have the right to tell the rest of the world what the best system is?
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Not to take away from the Democratic Presidents.
Why not? They're politicians too. They're just sponsored by different interests.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Now how did I miss that post?? Maybe mañana.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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The next few years are going to be very interesting.
October 21, 2016. A date you should all mark in your datebooks.
River
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Originally posted by reaverman:
Did you ever think that maybe the rest of the world isn't sitting there saying to themselves "Damn, I wish the Americans would come over and impose their system on us, and blow up my home in the process." ? Did you ever think that maybe we dont have the right to tell the rest of the world what the best system is?
Nope. I never thought that for one minute. The only ones who don't want American liberty are tyrants, despots, fanatics, those people who've never known better, and those people who should know better.
In Nazi Germany only one reserve unit, made up of common folk, refused to murder a collection of Jews. On the threat of execution a handful continued to refuse, then the shopkeepers, farmers, craftsmen, policemen, etc, they opened fire on the Jews killing them all. The Jews would have thanked God had America been able to impose its values to save them. I suspect most of the German reservists would have felt the same way. I suspect that the loudest condemnation would come from those whose power gained through fear and despotic intimidation would have been lost to American imperialism.
A woman whose lived her whole life as property would welcome liberty in her heart, even if her mind does not yet understand. A child, born to die in Jihadist martyrdom would welcome in his heart a freedom and life he might never know (actually this happened at Gitmo with two young Taliban kids who refused to return home after receiving an education).
But the old men who have wrapped themselves in the power of hate and fear, they shout down American virtue and find a chorus of cowed and duped followers to join them. Not to mention the idiot liberals, leftists, and pacifists who would march blindly into chains if not for the vigilence of those who stand against tyranny.
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That would be the America which had a sizable movement wanting to join the war on the side of Germany. Get over yourself.
Hero you talk like an arrogant little shit.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.
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He DOES talk like an arrogant little shit, but I hear rants like his everyday by the self-righteous on some of those Right-wing, goose-stepping forums I hang out on just to argue with people.
Anyway, just what does any of this have to do with Moore getting his ass sued? I still think their asking for 85 million dollars is way too much. The movie itself made about 222 million dollars world wide, or so the news says.
The movie stirred things up, and it DID make us question the methods, and goals of the Bush administration...not that we did anything about it because we are sheep, but it did open our eyes a little.
River
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Originally posted by rue:
My ire goes to only a very few people - I count, let me think ... Slick, Zero, Geezer2, Unwrapped, and Finn, who hasn't been christened yet.
Well, I wouldn't want to fall down on the job, so...
Pres. Bush lies, twists facts, and takes things out of context, so he should be impeached and prosecuted.
Mr. Moore lies, twists facts, and takes things out of context, and should be praised for providing a valuable public service.
Why the difference?
Could it be that Mr. Moore's lies, fact twisting, and taking out of context support your point of view? Does "right" and "wrong" finally just come down to what Rue thinks?
Ired enough yet?
BTW, I bet Mr. Moore is giggling with glee about this lawsuit. He knows any publicity is good publicity, and that this sort of controversy will just make his supporters more rabid in his defense. It's sure working here.
"If Darwin Ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"
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I didn´t like the Fahrenheit movie, because it was a bad film. And I do not like the books, that Mr. Moore wrote, because I found them very tendentious. But I liked most of the Awful Truth and Bowling for Columbine for it´s social and sociological issues. And, most important, I think, it´s essential to think about such topics MM´s occasionally raising. I´m glad, there is a Michael Moore, because he´s observing the mighty ones. All that jabbering about lies and twisted facts is meant to distract you from dealing with those issues, i.E. the spreading of arms in the U.S., the climate of fear (the W.A.R. against terror….shiver…) a.s.o.
And I find an administration that is lying and twisting facts far more dangerous, than a maker of documentaries ever could be. Documentaries are always subjective. And Michael Moore does it in a very straightforward way, I think. Aren´t those things in TV more disturbing, that pretend to be objective and turn out to be not? How many of you were convinced, there are WMD´s in Iraq?
A.
Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?
Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.
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Originally posted by Hero:
[B American liberty are tyrants, despots, fanatics, those people who've never known better, and those people who should know better.
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So its "American" liberty we are going for. Thats funny, I thought we wanted to help other countries find their own free democracy. I hadn't realized that this was a matter of creating an American empire. Course with THE DECIDER deciding, I guess I should have seen the wide ranging dictatorship coming.
And River is right - NONE of this has to do with the lawsuit asking for 85 mil
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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Slick,
Quote:Find a spot where I praised Moore - ANYWHERE. The best I said was - "9/11 was tiresome, heavy handed, confused, and for me, disappointing."
Pres. Bush lies, twists facts, and takes things out of context, so he should be impeached and prosecuted.
Mr. Moore lies, twists facts, and takes things out of context, and should be praised for providing a valuable public service.
Why the difference?
I don't know.... what do you think? Was that praise over the top?
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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