Angel seasons 3 and 4; What went wrong? (spoil away)

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 08:12
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BUFFYANGELFREAK

Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:17 PM

Your trying too hard to make the 4400 reference make sense..... there is no shame in it. (The first step is accceptance)

Anyway, about the baby-ages-rapidly plot they used: that kinda annoyed me. It woulda been kinda cute if Connor had stuk around the show as a baby a little longer. The whole Baby Crime Fighter thing would have been great comic relief in my opinion. Alas- it was not to be.

GROUNDED

Monday, October 16, 2006 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by BuffyAngelfreak:
Your trying too hard to make the 4400 reference make sense..... there is no shame in it. (The first step is accceptance)

Are you kidding? It's hard to tell...

GROOSALUGG

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:22 AM

Grounded, it makes perfect sense to me.

BuffyAngelfreak, if you're struggling to see the connection, then I think you might be the only one...

GROUNDED

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Grounded, it makes perfect sense to me.

Phew. Thought I was losing it there ;)

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by BuffyAngelfreak:

Finally....I know this is only supposed to be about Seasons 3&4 but... what the heck:Season 5... Set out to be good, there were a few really memorable episodes and then.... they all commit suicide. Can i say- Huh???

Now my turn: HUH???
What suicide? If they didn't face them when they did, how long do you think it would've taken for them to be hunted down? They had to make a stand and take their chances!

And besides, most of them survived Chrisisall

BUFFYANGELFREAK

Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:36 PM

Im going to ignore the previous insults to my extremly high intelligence...

They did not have to commit suicide. Sure some of them managed to survive (barring Wesley which I still havent forgiven Joss for) but then they recklessly head straight into Armagedon with a few rusty old swords for company. Hardly advisable. There are a number of quite nice alternate universes in which they could have settled down and regrouped. But no.... I suppose they had to wrap up the series in some way though, but you never see what happens with the whole prophecy thingo. Is Spike human now or what???

DEEPGIRL187

Friday, October 20, 2006 6:22 AM

This is just my take on things, but I think what went wrong on those seasons was the lack of trust. Team Angel stopped trusting each other for various reasons, and they all suffered for it. It allowed their enemies to divide and conquer them, so to speak.

I'll add here that while I never really liked Connor (except when he was a baby, he was sooo cute ), I did feel badly for him. There was really no way for him and Angel to have a good relationship with each other. He was never really able to experience what a real family was like until the end.

If you think about it, season 4 of Angel is a lot like season 6 of Buffy. Each of the characters reaches their darkest point, and it effects how they help people (if they're helping people at all). Everyone has to hit rock-bottom to see the true path.

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"So long and goodnight."

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 20, 2006 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by BuffyAngelfreak:
Im going to ignore the previous insults to my extremly high intelligence...

"Khan...I'm laughing at the superior intellect."
Sorry- I couldn't resist...

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they recklessly head straight into Armagedon with a few rusty old swords for company.
Is Spike human now or what???

They had swords...and their strength of will. They cut a path through those beasties straight to the heart of darkness, and a doorway to the Powers That Be who, astonished by their fortitude, postphoned the war to let our heroes recover to battle another day. They did this for their own amusement, not realizing that it would be their eventual downfall.
And both Angel and Spike are given their Humanity back, but this ironically only makes them stronger advocates for goodness.
Or something like that, I imagine.

It is a dream I have Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 20, 2006 1:41 PM

Then the Powers That Be force me to do a double-post.

PSANDUSKY

Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:04 AM

Connor. Bad idea, Connor. Horribly bad idea. Why-oh-why did they need Connor?

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