Star Wars: Remember the Good Old Days?

POSTED BY: christhecynic
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 8, 2006 22:56
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CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:26 AM

THis is lifed completely from another thread, it was drowned out by other more interesting things. So why did I make a whole thread out of something that couldn't make a response worthy post? Well I'm just that kind of person.

I think it applies to Firefly enough to be in this section.

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Originally posted by asarian:
You know, come to think of it, I'm staring at a cargo hold. A rusty one, at that. And I'm loving it! See? That's not "Industrial Light and Magic" (to bag on said un-named trillogy), but simply Magic.

I remember in a Star Wars book, don't remember which one, someone said, "You see that, that's the Millennium Falcon" and when asked how he knew he says, "You can tell by the distinctive rust pattern," or something like that.

Remember back when that was the Star Wars universe? When Star Wars was a place where you had to slice open your beast of burden to wrap your freezing friend in?

When Star Wars was full of people that, though in extraordinary circumstances, were ordinary. People who were not heroes by choice but because they had no choice in the matter?

The kind of people who would abandon their higher cause (for a while) to go out and save one friend, have a ship that doesn't work half the time, and get the shit kicked out of them on occasion?

Those were the good old days.

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Those days left us and eventually Firefly came, those were the great old days.

ZISKER

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:37 AM

Amen. It used to have soul to speak in total cliches. It had the same rough n' tumble quality that makes me love Firefly. It wasn't about flashy CGI - it was about story and characters (well, it did have ground-breaking effects for that period, but it didn't overuse or try to replace plot/dialogue with them). Leia was my hero, dammit, for years.

Oh well, I can always just never watch the new ones on DVD and quietly pretend they don't exist.

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams

KANESKI

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:43 AM

Oh, and ofcourse Vader actually projected evil. Maul, Dooku and even the new Sidious are... lack of a better word... cuddly.

GARBAGECANMUSIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:46 AM

I have a friend that is a Star Wars fanatic. He told me the other day that he re-watched Ep. III and he is convinced that it is not a good movie.

I agreed. Then sold him on Firefly. He's a podcaster and knows of Firefly because of the Signal and Firefly talk. He will be converted soon (we had a long talk about Firefly and he wants to get into FF and Battlestar Galactica).

Mind you, we're old school Star Wars fans, as in we're-into-sci-fi-because-of-star-wars fans. We didn't think it was possible to mess up that Universe. Apparantly it is.

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:57 AM

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Originally posted by Zisker:
It wasn't about flashy CGI - it was about story and characters (well, it did have ground-breaking effects for that period, but it didn't overuse or try to replace plot/dialogue with them).

I was thinking, I think the original trilogy had more realistic effects. I mean it was so much easier to suspend disbelief in the originals, and it still is. They never say, "Look at me! I'm the very flashy highly expensive totally fake looking effect."

The new one's greatest effects acomplishment was probably Jar-Jar Binks who acutally looked like he really existed at times. Then they took that impressive effect and made it into ... Jar-Jar. Scary really.

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Oh well, I can always just never watch the new ones on DVD and quietly pretend they don't exist.

I know people who are doing that, as far as I'm concerned they're not canon, excommunicated if you like. Lucas can do whatever he damn well pleases but the Star Wars that I care about isn't on any screen, watching the movies just reminds me what it is.

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In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams

He was a great one who was taken before his time. If he's right, atheist that he is, he's gone. If I'm right then one day, when we're all long dead and many deadlines have passed, we'll all get to read the sixth book he planned. I agree with him, Mostly Harmless was not the place to leave off.

Would be nice if the radio show's crew could get back together too.

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:00 AM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:

THis is lifted completely from another thread, it was drowned out by other more interesting things. So why did I make a whole thread out of something that couldn't make a response worthy post? Well I'm just that kind of person.

You're hilarious! :)

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EDIT: I'm going to delete the rest of my reply, as I went off on a mushy FireFly tangent; and I realize that this is probably not a respectful thing to do towards the original poster, seeing as he/she meant it to be about Star Wars, really. There be plenty of other places for me to talk about FireFly. :)

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 6:11 AM

Oh, I forgot to leave this in; duh on me. :)

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Originally posted by christhecynic:

When Star Wars was full of people that, though in extraordinary circumstances, were ordinary. People who were not heroes by choice, but because they had no choice in the matter?

Oh, you said this so well! Growing fonder of you by the minute. :) Truly, I think you really captured a valuable asset of FireFly here. And it reminds me of "The Train Job":

Sheriff: "But a man learns all the details of a situation like ours, well, then he has a choice."
Mal: "I don't believe he does."

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.

RIVERTAMKICKSASS03

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 8:29 AM

I am one of those people that loved the SW prequals

Serenity is a great film but its nothing like I,II, and III expect it's in space

After all you couldn't compare Angel to Big Lebowski just becouse there both set in LA

Why can no one except that the prequals were differant and thats not a bad thing, And as for acting Ian Mcdermid did a fantastic job of Sidious

SPAINT2K

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 8:54 AM

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Why can no one except that the prequals were differant and thats not a bad thing, And as for acting Ian Mcdermid did a fantastic job of Sidious

Because in making the prequels, Lucas first went back and turned the original trilogy into his sketchpad rough draft for them.

I was as excited as anyone when the "Special" Editions were announced. I was expecting to see effects shots cleaned up (some of which STILL haven't been cleaned up (cough)garbage mattes(cough)), but there were so many pointless and poorly implemented changes that it didn't make any sense. Greedo getting a shot off at Han (head dodge an' all), poorly done Jabba (practice for Jar-Jar), poorly done stormtroopers in the sand (practice for clone troopers), swarm of THINGS in the shoulda been empty "planet furthest from the bright center to the galaxy"/Mos Eisley (practice for -well, everything in the prequels) and randomly altering lines in favor of those from alternate takes for apparently no reason.

And while the original movies had heart, soul, and HAN SOLO, the new movies have plots that went nowhere (why make Qui-Gonn the center of the first movie - Obi-Wan should have been the focal point, to show his arrogance in thinking "I could train him as well as Yoda"), Jar Jar Binks stepping in Bantha CRAP (what was GL thinking?!?) and the most menacingly evil guy in the galaxy is suddenly reduced to a rebellious teen on a temper tantrum.

Adding insult to injury is the fact that the prequels contradict the original series at every turn and you have to wonder if George has actually seen his own movies.

The point of the prequels was to enrich and expand upon the originals, not to degrade and diminish them.

Steve

RIVERTAMKICKSASS03

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:17 AM

First which plot lines didn't go anywhere Qui-Gonn's came to a definate conclution as well as Obi-wan's, Anakin's, Padme's, Nute Gunray's even, Sidious' One of the main points of the film was that everything was pointless as Sidious held all the keys and just wanted power and to turn Anakin and that everything else was a destraction

2nd point is that Jar Jar was hardly a key figure in the three films, and using him as a example of what was wrong with it is almost like saying Serenity is rubbish becouse of Fanty and Mingo (who were great by the way)

3rd point is that you used my Mc Dermind quote (prob not how you spell his name) and didn't mention him, his chariter was great and can you at least except that he did a jod job of acting and his lines were well scripted

I assume your teen with a temper tantrum is refering to Anakin, what did you expect he would start choking people through out the trilogy.

Last point, i don't recall the sarcy pilot as having much soul, funny yes but it wasn't even close to Mal in terms of me taking him as a serious charicter with a great amount of depth

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