Is this for real? Please, tell me it ain't...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, December 3, 2005 18:05
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They're not whore-hawks, they're just whores. I'm sorry, that's an insult to whores. I'm just as fed up the Democratic party as you are with the GOP. There are very few people with an eye on reality or on the good of the nation. While we may disagree on many things, I find a surprising amount of overlap.
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And now, come join me in my conspiracy corner... 
(heh heh heh)
How far is the procorporate/ neocon reach?
Well... they appear to have had near complete control over the Congress for the past several years. Congress cut taxes, absolved corporations from honoring their pension plans but made personal bankruptcy more difficult, passed the Patriot Act, passed Medicare drug coverage which will not save consumers money but will send billions of Federal dollars towards the pharmas, restricted the ability of individuals to sue corporations, gutted environmental laws, awarded billions of dollars of no-bid contracts to Halliburton and other Pentagon contractors, and- of course- authorized the invasion of Iraq. That's quite a record.
The there is the Executive Branch. Thanks to the admin's strategy of appointing know-nothing toadies to high-ranking positions, experienced staff in all agencies- from the FDA to the CIA- have left in droves.
The admin squashes disagreement in all venues: Protestors have all the freedom in the world- as long as they stay in far away enclosures. The admin savages government dissenters and threatens their jobs, limits so-called "town-hall" meetings to supporters, holds citizens for years without charges, and approves humiliating and degrading treatment. Local police, and (of course) the Justice Department are happy with the new rules.
But what happens if you can't spin the news enough to scare the folks at home or fudge the next election? Do you quietly take your marbles and go home? Remember- they seem willing to do anything....and I mean ANYTHING... to stay in power.
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Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Luckily, we have the Constitution, Hero and LynchAJ to protect us.
Originally posted by SignyM:
they seem willing to do anything....and I mean ANYTHING... to stay in power.
Chrisisall
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I like Ron Paul (R-TX)
They are hawks, there is a global social revolution element to these guys, it's just not clesr on the surface because of all the corruption.
I figure there are three political perspectives in office right now:
1. People who think govt. social programs are the fix for what's best for america (these people are democrats)
2. People who think strong private industry is the fix for what's best for america (these people are republicans)
3. People who really don't give a damn what's best for america as long as they get their cut. (these people can be democrats or republicans.)
Anyway, haven't completely given up on the GOP yet, but the leadership is really ticking me off every day in every way. I have problems with Frist, but I'm appalled by delay, I don't think Cheney's any kind of republican at all, and Bush might not be human. Most of the administration people I could tollerate have quit or been fired, Powell, O'Neill, Fleischer etc. and (no I never liked Ashcroft, I almost prefer gonzalez, if it weren't for the torture thing) I have nothing against Condi.
But still, if I picked people from the republican party with a dartboard and a blindfold, I'm sure I could do better than this lot.
Okay, on to neocons, theocons and commies.
They're not pro-corporate. If they were GM and Ford wouldn't be folding.
They're monopolists. The like a sort of state capitalism that the nazis had where a handful of corporations run by the same people who are running the govt. subsist almost entirely on exclusive govt. contracts in the new "our kitty is the public till" convention.
Congress is weak, sure. But you have to understand that after the invention of the ball bomb, things have changed. If you don't vote the way they ask you, the ball bomb goes boom, and, well, it makes a man less of a man.
Anyway,
The next election is already fixed. The Bush plan is crash the GOP and elect Hillary, who will then select the same row of cretins for advisors. DiFi might also run for the nomination. Both are pretty closely tied to Bush, and both just love our war in Iraq. So, Hillary/DiFi will run against one another and then run as one ticket for the white house against probably some sap.
You got my perpetually falling popularity plan right?
So, they're evil and they made Clinton, Gore and the democrats look bad, and now they've made the republicans look terrible, and soon they will be a democrat again and make the democrats look abominable, and then they will be a republican again, etc.
The only solution is to beat them in the primaries. And they will have ringer candidates in there.
If I was evil and wanted to be a democrat, I'd run a hawk and a dove, both owned by me. I would then belittle any serious opposition by cloning it. If someone runs a black urban consciousness candidate who wants to focus on domestic issues, I invent one of my own who clones his positions and splits his votes. It's all about the 15%. Primary candidates have to get 15% in the district to get any votes counted, so you have to keep your other contenders below that level.
The solution is don't play that game. Organize so you know exactly who all your voters are. It's going to take a lot of organizing.
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wow. You're even more pissed than I am. But- what's a "ball bomb"? And are you seriously saying that both the Democratic party and the Republican party are controlled by the same people? And if that's the case- who would that be?
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I made up the ball bomb, it was just my way of saying party leadership has them by the balls.
Yes and no to they're controlled by the same people. Yes the same group of people, but there is a real power struggle going on for the reins.
Here's my conspiracy theory.
View it this way, there's a club, I call it team evil. It's a group of people who form an dissolve organizations like PNAC and the tri-lateral commission and then they dissolve, but the same names keep coming up. You can tell who is on team evil because they won't stray from the agenda and won't divorce themselves from the rest of the team to side with any outside group, outside meaning old school democrats and republicans.
Now picture you are on team evil.
The first rule of team evil is "team evil must stay in charge."
The second rule of team evil is "you do not talk about team evil"
Okay, you saw that one coming. But I'm serious, that is the second rule of team evil.
The third rule of team evil is "you can't cross team leadership."
The fourth rule of team evil is "anything goes, all's fair in love of money and greed for power, whoever get's to the top however they get there, it's there mountain until it isn't"
The fifth rule of team evil is "you can sign in any time you like but you can't never leave."
Now here's how it plays out.
Clinton/Gore are on team evil. Clinton was on the trilateral commission and he's in with halliburton, plus he attacked Iraq, which leads back to PNAC told him to, yadada. So I know he's on the team.
Gore vs. Bush is an evil-off. It's our first real evil-off. in '96 the GOP was still in sane hands, bob dole wasn't on the team, and neither were newt and lott and co. I don't have much on Gore per se, but his VP was Lieberman, who is a Gold member of the Team.
Gore fights with Bush for top, but either way, it's evil in power. So Gore concedes the fight. If gore hadn't conceded, Strom Thurmond would have become president, and Jesse Helms, VP. Neither one is a member of team evil.
So, Bush in power, and Cheney, who is ultra high ranking in the uber order that exists within team evil.
Wait, I need to add something here. Team evil is internally feudal. If someone is your lord, and you are their vassal, you obey them, even if you outrank them in your real world official position.
So anyway, Cheney is way up there like Co-Chair or something. I don't think we'll ever see the Grand High Wizard of team evil. George W. Bush is a lowly peon. He's skull and Bones, but he was in the carlyle group as a lackey at some point, so clearly he's down there. Top dogs get more power than that.
So, '04, it's Bush vs. Kerry is an evil off. Edwards isn't on the team, but Kerry is. So Kerry tried to win, because if he wins, then he rules team evil. But when the election is contested, it threatens the team evil status, because of the contested election clause in the constitution which can give the presidency to a senior senator, as I alluded to earlier. This would mean a loss of power for evil. So Kerry shuts it down. More important that team evil stay in control than that Kerry take the reins.
Now we move on to '08 Contenders. Hillary has husband Bill in the team, plus she was in whitewater, hired monica, had vince foster killed, I don't want to argue about that last, anyway she's on the team. If you doubt this reasoning, look at her support for the war. If you are on the team, you can't cross the leadership, or the agenda. Will democrats and republicans on team evil rant at one another viciously? Sure. If they didn't they wouldn't be convincing politicians.
So, in addition we have the old stand-bys. People we know are on the team.
GOP Jeb can run, condi, possibly some of the senators, frist, maybe kay bailey,
An aside about Condi. She's part of the Bush Sr. team, and like Bush Sr., she's not sure if she's on the team or not yet, she's playing team evil, if they start to go down she may try to leave the team, which usually means bad things will happen to you, but she really doesn't have a family to worry
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I agree with you about the team evil thing. One of the questions on "the left" has been- "Is it a conspiracy or a club?" Well, you don't get a situation where 500 people (0.00001%) own 50% of the world's assests w/o some sort of conspiracy. So yeah, it's a conspiracy- at least at the inner circle. I do have some quibbles about who you think belongs in the inner circle. I think some of your contenders (like Bill Clinton) are outer-circle, post-fact acquisitions who are corrupted by nearness to the inner circle. I think Bill was like everyone who held "the one Ring of power" in LOTR- they think they're going to use the power for good, they think they can maintain their moral compass in that situation, but everyone loses their way to a greater or lesser extent.
But I see at least three factions in the Brave New World Order. Some businesses (few and growing fewer) are national in scope- based in, employ in, and sell to, a nationally-defined market. GM and Ford WERE such businesses. Possibly these were associated with the Republican Party?
Some businesses are truly international, in the sense that they do not depend on government teats/ contracts to sustain them... Nike, for example. They NEED unrestricted world trade. Wars and tarrifs wreak all kinds of havoc with their business plans and they would really much rather have world peace and "free trade". I think Clinton was more in this camp.
Others- like Halliburton- are so tightly tied to government contracts of one sort or another that they are more likely to foment divisions based nationality, and really only thrive in conflict situations when governments spill out their coffers in the name of national security. Clearly this is the Cheney group. So, I guess my tinking is not that there is one "team evil" but at least three.
What say you?
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Sig,
I don't think own anywhere near 50% of the world's assets. Last I read it was just under 5%. But their abuse of the Bush Budget is definitely pushing that envelope. Still, I don't see them coming out of with more than 10%. Even so, the 'they' has to be serious scaled out from this neocon/socialist cabal. (No don't get on me for the use of this word, they were all socialists to begin with, and neocon is a name given by the democratic socialists to describe the ones that went republican) To get to that sort of global ownership you have to include the power money allies like the Saudi princes, and a lot of people who are skull and bones, but that's a long way from saying that these people are all in line with the agenda.
Re: Bill Clinton, I'm not saying that every rhodes scholar is a member of the rhodes milner circle, or even that everyone who was ever a member of the tri-lateral commission was on team evil. But you have to look at the actions. Clinton killed at least 1/2 million people in Iraq, and did so more or less on their command. US dominance over Iraq was not on the democratic party platform. I don't recall in 1991 the democrats getting up and criticizing Bush Sr. for not invading Iraq. No, it was a bunch of neocons, the ones many of whom are now calling themselves PNAC, I don't know what they were calling them then, who wrote that letter to Bush Sr.
So, you have Clinton, more than once in his life he was a member of an organization owned by team evil, he was involved in at least one shady deal which was create by and for the benefit of team evil, and he did unspeakable evil at their behest. How much more evil do you want? Okay, I grant that there may be inner circle snobbery, people who say well, waah, I was a member long before Bill and I've got my position as Grand High Wizard and I have my magic bone so...
I think the whole inner circle thinks it's using its power for good. I think evil thinks it's good. That's what this is all about, the greater good. Dominate the world and then when you control everything you can solve the world's problems with a top down think tank derived imposition solution without dissent or compromise. That's evil's big plan. Plus the whole powermad thing ;)
Re: pro-Corporate.
But it's more than just the type of business, all the stuff you cited is stuff that benefits in particular corporations who want to behave badly. This isn't things that keep normal decent companies up at night. People over at Sun Microsystems are thinking "We really have to protect ourselves from lawsuits from are customers because of all those people we killed."
It's publc till feeders who are also already horridly corrupt and need to lock in protection from the people. It maybe should occur to team evil at some point that if you have to travel everywhere in an armored motorcade, perhaps you're doing something wrong. But instead they seem to jump to the conclusion that something is wrong with the world, it's getting too dangerous, it needs a bigger iron fist. They might want to stop and examine the possibility, hey, maybe we're evil, maybe that's why they're out to get us.
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