Nitpickers of the verse...UNITE!!
POSTED BY: everyworldspinnin
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 15:08
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Simon didn't get River out of the academy. He got her into an airshaft. The underground got her out of the academy.
And Simon's account to the crew is not the only line in the pilot that talks about the escape. At the end of the episode, River says to Simon "I didn't think you'd come for me", which suggests to me that Simon was the one who came for her. Also, when she plopped naked out of the cryo box, Simon said to her "we're safe now", which suggests that they were together in peril earlier.
The earliest inconsistancy I've found is in the pilot, where they are in space suits breaking into the derelict's safe. One of the first shots shows Mal from behind, and you can see the safe with the ring of "sticky" already applied, before Mal had actually applied it.
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physics geeks of the verse unite!!!
Is anyone else bothered about how they move in space in the pilot? Mal pushes off, then starts turning. And again he changes momentum - turns and stops in midair next to Zoe. They coulda done that better.
And how about that Net in OMR? They seemed to be thinking this electric lightening stuff was gonna fry everyone IN the ship. Electric current stays on the OUTSIDE of a metal body - Physics 101 baby.
Maybe they need a physicist on set? Especially one with gentle hands to help Mal move? 
uh oh, I got my own nitpickin' momentum going. Beginning of the pilot, excellent special effects: on the Alliance ship, of the wreckage, in the window. The little pieces of the wreckage are reassembled to identify the ship. They could do this but couldn't see the extra whole space ship (Serenity) sitting among the pieces? hmmm.
I have a Master's degree ... in science.
Actually I don't, but does anyone else remember that quote?
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Bumping bach to the mis-spelling of Malcolm's name, the answer is that the information was posted on an internetty thing, and so you really can expect bizarro spelling.
Go on, try searching Google for "Firfly". You'll get some hits.
Alternatively, you're looking at border town stuff, where spelling might get a bit freeform (viz the spelling of Shakespeare). Of course, it being an official notice and all, the theory falls over.
That's what you get for trying to base arguments on licensed premises...
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Mission Control: Buckaroo, The White House wants to know is everything ok with the alien space craft from Planet 10 or should we just go ahead and destroy Russia?
Buckaroo Banzai: Tell him yes on one and no on two.
Mission Control: Which one was yes, go ahead and destroy Russia... or number 2?
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I have a Master's degree ... in science.
Actually I don't, but does anyone else remember that quote?
No, but I've got a similar one:
We're from the University ... of ... err ... America!
in Bushwhacked, when Simon and River are hiding on the outside of the ship and the Alliance is looking around, you see about 15 or so Alliance officers in the kitchen, looking under the whatdoyoucallthems ... those things one puts on a table under one's plate (can't think of the word now), and going through other stuff. 15 people to one kitchen seems a bit much, and I'm sure that Simon and River wouldn't hide themselves or any clues under those whatdoyoucallthems. One guy even looks under the same one twice!
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Originally posted by Khyron:Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
I have a Master's degree ... in science.
Actually I don't, but does anyone else remember that quote?
No, but I've got a similar one:
We're from the University ... of ... err ... America!
in Bushwhacked, when Simon and River are hiding on the outside of the ship and the Alliance is looking around, you see about 15 or so Alliance officers in the kitchen, looking under the whatdoyoucallthems ... those things one puts on a table under one's plate (can't think of the word now), and going through other stuff. 15 people to one kitchen seems a bit much, and I'm sure that Simon and River wouldn't hide themselves or any clues under those whatdoyoucallthems. One guy even looks under the same one twice!
"Placemat" - ya I noticed that too. Hey, you can't be sure what kind of malicious anti-establishment material could lie under a placemat. Unless you check. Twice.
I don't know your quote - but I'm enjoying mine so much I'm gonna use it as my signature. Think NPR, in the 80s, probably the 90s too.
Ask Dr. Science ... he knows more than you do.
"I have a Master's degree ... in science!"
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Originally posted by Jacqui:
Of course, this is the same file that lists Mal as a CAPTAIN of the Independent Army, when he was but a SERGEANT, so... *shrug*.
We are told...well, somewhere, tha Mal winds up command thousands of folk during the Battle of Serenity Valley. A buck sergeant (in our military) would command a squad--maybe 9 or 10 soldiers. So I'm guessing Mal wasn't a buck sergeant (after all, a Sergeant Major is still a sergeant). I'm guessing Mal was a First Sergeant equivalent, which would have made him the senior enlisted man in a company (120 or so soldiers). But when you have a really heated campaign going, officers drop like flies. So enlisted men step up and take over, in what's called a "battle field commission". I'm guessing that following Serenity Valley, Mal was made a Captain by the Independent military brass. Even though the war was essentially over, and Mal never really wore the rank, his file would have reflected such a promotion.
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We are told...well, somewhere, tha Mal winds up command thousands of folk during the Battle of Serenity Valley. A buck sergeant (in our military) would command a squad--maybe 9 or 10 soldiers. So I'm guessing Mal wasn't a buck sergeant (after all, a Sergeant Major is still a sergeant). I'm guessing Mal was a First Sergeant equivalent, which would have made him the senior enlisted man in a company (120 or so soldiers).
The following assumes US Army military ranks, The army of the Independence could be different.
I've spent some of my time considering Mal's rank in the Independent Army. We know from Zoe that "He was my platoon Sgt."
That would make Mal a Staff Sgt. most likely. Of course Zoe did not specify exactly WHEN Mal was a platoon Sgt. I have a feeling that prior to the Battle of Serenity Valley he was promoted...most likely to Company 1st Sgt.
So the Mal we see in Du Kang was most likely "Staff Sgt Renoylds" And the Mal we see in the pilot episode was "1st Sgt Reynolds"
Now as to why he was listed as a Captain in the film: I think that our writers just screwed up. Yea it could have been a battlefield promotion..but in that case Lt. Renoylds would have made sense.
I honestly think that the Captain title was a slip up. I see this sort of thing all the time from TV and film writers. There is an episode in season 2 smallville when a miltary officer introduces himself as "Lt. so-n-so" and takes off his cover that had Capt bars on it. It happens all the time.
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Of course, this is the same file that lists Mal as a CAPTAIN of the Independent Army, when he was but a SERGEANT, so... *shrug*. The Operative's sources obviously aren't as good as he thinks they are.
I handle this in "The Treasure of Lei Fong Wu" by having one of the surviving officers of the Independent High Command have Mal listed as field-promoted to "Captain" and Zoe to "Lieutenant" on their muster-out forms, in recognition of their service in Sernity Valley. I also have them paid off a muster-out grant based on their rank -- which is what allowed Mal to buy the Firefly in the first place.
ScrewtheAlliance
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Simon didn't get River out of the academy. He got her into an airshaft. The underground got her out of the academy.
And Simon's account to the crew is not the only line in the pilot that talks about the escape. At the end of the episode, River says to Simon "I didn't think you'd come for me", which suggests to me that Simon was the one who came for her. Also, when she plopped naked out of the cryo box, Simon said to her "we're safe now", which suggests that they were together in peril earlier.
Interestingly, in the transcripts for the episode, the following exchange takes place after Simon tells his tale.
MAL
How did you know it wasn't a scam?
SIMON
I didn't. Until you opened that box.
I don't recall this being in the episode as shot, however it would be a clear indicator that Simon did not get her out himself.
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BTW great title!! The "dyslexics of the world unite!" joke was the first humorous tale ever told me by a teacher - not so funny when you're a 9 year old with a complete inability to make words come out the right way round (scarred for life - well kinda) ... 
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