Venezuela is next?!?
POSTED BY: OurMrReynolds
UPDATED: Sunday, October 9, 2005 02:10
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Interesting, isn’t it. Clinton had to commit perjury in a federal court about a matter of no importance to anyone outside his family in order to get bad press. All Bush had to do is be in office and lie about WMD's to get a war going that the UN didn't want to OK, and attack a country that was not directly connected to the 911 attack, and was not an immediate threat to the U.S.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
There. You left out a few things. I fixed it for ya. Isn't that better now?
In case you forgot Chrisisall
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Well, that certainly typifies some of the more zealous opinions. 
I’ve often wondered if much of the “Bush lied” story that is so prevalent among anti-Bush Left is actually repressed embarrassment in the wake of the Clinton Administration. Because much of the more fanatical Left you know, even in the media, were dismissing some pretty questionable behavior all the way through the game, and now I think that many of them are finding themselves in the awkward position of comparing the two Administrations and finding the Bush administration to be the more ethical, for lack of a better word. Faced with that possibility they desperately seek any reason to deface the Bush administration to protect their ideology and perhaps their own reputations. That may be a possibility. Some others have suggested to me that it is frustration over having lost the 2000 election. I really don’t know how to explain it. I just find it all quite queer.
But I digress.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Quote:Okay, I can see that as a definite possibility for many media and/or political types.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Because much of the more fanatical Left you know, even in the media, were dismissing some pretty questionable behavior all the way through the game, and now I think that many of them are finding themselves in the awkward position of comparing the two Administrations and finding the Bush administration to be the more ethical, for lack of a better word. Faced with that possibility they desperately seek any reason to deface the Bush administration to protect their ideology and perhaps their own reputations.
But the bottom line for me is:
Clinton lied-who should care? They had more reason to slam him with the Whitewater thing (and they let him off, basically).
Bush lied (or lied after being lied to-whatever) and a WHOLE WAR started pursuant to it.
If Bush had had Saddam asassinated, and lied about that, I'd have a LOT less problem with that for two reasons:
1) I would never expect the truth about such an event to be spoken anyhow...
2) A lot of American soldiers would be alive now, who aren't.
It's all a question of life for me Chrisisall
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Too few subjects? You don’t watch the news much do you?
There have been what, 28 presidents since Lincoln? Before that the republicans and democrats weren't even the same things.
All I'm saying is that 28 subjects aren't enough to draw your data points from. To be honest, I doubt your study even bothers to go back to Lincoln, so it's less than that.
I do believe there's an inherant liberal bias in the press, but I also believe with the advent of talk radio that's mostly been worked out. In the meantime, a liberal bias is not the same thing as brain-dead: the press will go after the sexy story if it shows. In fact, that's the real issue here; they won't explain the complexities, they just report like children.
Oh, and for what it's worth, Niger's largest export is uranium. Iraq had absolutely no reason to talk to them about anything else: they aren't neighbors, they're ruling families weren't intermarried, they don't have mutual trade. If you believe that they were in Iraq (edit: duh, I meant niger) for any reason but to explore the possibility of getting Uranium, you are being foolish, IMO.
I'm not saying Iraq was a clear and present danger, but they would have quite happily gotten their hands on uranium if they could.
-Jeff
P.S. Iraq under Sadaam had already tried for nukes - the israelis blew up that reactor and saved us a heap of trouble.
P.P.S. IMO, as much as I dislike Bush, I think he was right to attack Iraq. However, it's for other reasons, not the ones he stated.
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For the real story about Hugo Chavez check out DEMOCRACY NOW website for their recent interview also check out Z-NET.org and COUNTERPUNCH and google search Bolivarian revolution.
Hugo Chavez is the first real American to head a state in the Americas. A man of part African, part Indian ethnicity. The first President of an OPEC country to use oil wealth to better the lives of the poor across the hemisphere. His government and national oil company CITGO are setting up a program to provide poor people in the United States with cheap heating oil for the Winter. Starting in Chicago in the Mexican community.
Also note that Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro not merely offered but organised and had ready to go, hundreds of doctors (each carrying 27lbs of medicine) power generators, water pumps, mobile clinic vehicles, fresh water supplies, food supplies etc for the people of the Gulf Coast. The Bush administration refused them access to the victims of Katrina.
If Pat Robertson lived in any other Western country he would be arrested and prosecuted as a hate-monger, slanderer and advocate of terrorism.
Only in the your American nuthouse could such a lunatic be considered "a man of God" and a follower of the "teachings of Christ" and be allowed to make money via the elite luxury of his own broadcasting enterprise and I presume he probably evades taxes as "a Church".
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