Venezuela is next?!?
POSTED BY: OurMrReynolds
UPDATED: Sunday, October 9, 2005 02:10
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Hugo Chavez, prez of Venezuela recently said that he has documents and proof that the US is planning to invade his country with aircraft and naval support. He went to nightline with the story, maps, supposed codename of the project ("Balboa" if yer interested) and other stuff. OK, I know we got a history of shady deals in South and Central America. He is an opponent of the Iraq war, which I suppose could be construed as a motive to make it all up, but he seems super 
and I'm just wondering if anyone has info ideas or opinions on the subject. In other words, please do the research for me and post 
any thoughts? (Other than "of course its true because america is evil QED" or "of course its a lie because Bush is a saint and a better man than you will ever be you unpatriotic scum") Some thought would be nice.
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Mr. Chavez has been a bit testy since he brutally suppressed the popular dissent in his country. Then Pat Robertson goes and shoves his head up his own ass.
I suggest this is all a load of crap. At best Venezuela is 3rd or 4th on the list.
But, on behalf of the American people I suggest to Mr. Chavez that if he wants some, come get some. (To coin a phrase.)
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Wikipedia has this to say about Chavez:"Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías (born July 28, 1954) is the President of Venezuela. A former paratroop lieutenant-colonel who led an unsuccessful coup d'état in February 1992, he was elected president in 1998. His presidency has seen sweeping changes throughout the country, including a new constitution, many new social programs, and a new foreign policy distancing Venezuela from the United States.
Since his election in 1998 on promises of helping the poor, Chávez's influence over Venezuelan politics has grown. One year after a majority of Venezuelans voted to keep him in office, the popular leader consolidated his power, striking a harsh anti-USA tone. He is up for re-election in 2006, and recent polls suggest he has about 70 percent popularity.
Chávez and his administration have been opposed through confrontational methods by some established sectors in Venezuela, including the business federation Fedecámaras and labour union federation CTV, resulting in a coup d'état, general strike/lockout, and recall referendum, all of which failed to remove him from office. Although the opposition charged that there was widespread fraud in the recall vote, international observers said the official results matched their counts at polling sites. Subsequently Chávez and his allies have won consistent political victories, occupying the vast majority of elected municipal, state, and national posts, as well as majorities in the supreme court, national electoral council and national assembly."
Ok, he's democratically elected, disagrees with and is scared of us, and Pat Robertson said we should assassinate him, even though the US has officially dissapproved of assassination since 1976. Umm... we seem to be losing the moral high ground here... oh of course there's OIL involved so morality can take a back seat until he's dead. And he doesn't seem interested in "coming to get some", he seems worried that we will decide to come get some of HIM. And his country, or what's under it anyway. Or does the fact that he smoked a cigar with Castro make him worthy of a bullet?
Hero, all I'm getting from you is that we should whack this guy because he dares speak against us. He seems to have the popular vote there, and by a lot higher percentage (70%!!!) than OUR current leader. Can't get more populist than that. Then again, Amnesty Int'l agrees with you that he violently suppresses his political opponents. Of course, a large number of them violently oppose HIM, and Pat Robertson seems to think this is a good idea. Hmmm....
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Hello,
I think it is possible that there is a military plan out there somewhere for invading Venezuela. I'd like to think that there is a military plan out there for invading almost every country on the planet. It's the military's job to come up with catch-all battle plans for every scenario.
The idea is, if the Pres says, 'Let's invade country X' or if country Y pisses in your beer, you'd better have a battle plan pre-drawn and ready to go.
It's just practical.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I would put what ever Amnesty International has to say with a grain of salt... I mean a well intended organization, but they are critical of everyone...
I suppose that could mean they have no bias ???
Have a look at what they think of a few countrys ( I included the number of pages of specific reports )
The US ( I know, not really a good example ): 40 pages
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-usa/index
Canada : 2 pages
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-can/index
Venezuela : 3 pages
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-ven/index
Cuba : 5 pages
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-cub/index
Russia : 10 pages
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-rus/index
Is Chavez right to worry ???
Is it paranoid to think your might be paranoid when the Americans are out to get you ???
Don't think they give a shit
I'm with Signy and Rue
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It's not just that there is a plan, because you are right, we have a plan for EVERYONE. If Luxumberg pulls some crap, we've got a plan for it. But he says this isn't tucked away somewhere, it's getting warmed up. He also claims that our troops have been performing exercises to prepare on an island off of Venezuela's coast. That seems a bit silly, just because if you are practicing to invade a country you don't do it within spitting distance of them. I would think you'd find someplace far away with similar geography and practice THERE. The whole thing is weird...
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Originally posted by OurMrReynolds:
He also claims that our troops have been performing exercises to prepare on an island off of Venezuela's coast. That seems a bit silly, just because if you are practicing to invade a country you don't do it within spitting distance of them. I would think you'd find someplace far away with similar geography and practice THERE. The whole thing is weird...
Cynicism is the smoke that rises from the ashes of burned out dreams.
"I am planning on growing a big black moustache. I'm a traditionalist."
Are you familiar with Operation Ortsac? Ortsac is Castro spelled backswords. Just before the Cuban missile crisis started the US Military conducted a exercise against a factious country in Costa Rica. If at all possible the military tries to train near where the battle will take place or if possible on that same battlefield. Think of past conflict areas of the cold war such as Germany, the GIUK Gap and the Med- both sides conducted operations there to intimidate the enemy and if the shooting started that is where the fighting would occur.
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Hmmm... hadn't thought about it from an intimidation standpoint... was thinking "if we're tryin' to be covert this makes NO sense" but I see your point
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10 years of U.N. sanctions and 17 Resolutions are the bench mark before going to war w/ a nutcase leader. In fact, judging how the fickle world community is acting over Iraq, it may take more resolutions and a longer period of sanctions.
Hugo is whacko. Bush is far from being a Saint, but that still doesn't mean he's going to war w/ Venezuela. We won't. Hugo is just grandstanding, trying to get more attention for himself, promote Communism, you name it.
I wonder if that 'evidence' came via the same fax number at that Kinkos store in Texas that Dan Rather used to get his faked documents on W's T.A.N.G.
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Quote:Oil, you say?
Originally posted by OurMrReynolds:
there's OIL involved
You know, I was in Venezuela a few months ago, and I overheard Hugo in a local bar bragging that he was planning on uniting all of Central America with South America, and establish links to the Middle East and Al-Queda, in an effort to take over the world, so we must invade him!! Oh, and they tortured me too. They're all mean and evil despotic rulers, lucky I escaped. Let's go get him!!
(face it; gas prices are high, and we could use an affordable vacation site right about now...)
Read my lips Chrisisall
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