MAJOR SPOILERS, but I had to say something....

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SOULOFSERENITY

Friday, June 24, 2005 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by FlyinFree:
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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

I wish I could believe that but everything about the movie to me screams THE END. The deaths of 2 main characters, every plot and storyline wrapped up, everything explained (with the exception of Book but with his death becomes meaningless).

Well, we still don't know what the Alliance did to River in the first place, or why. That has never been explained.

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LISSA

Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 PM

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Originally posted by FlyinFree:
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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

I wish I could believe that but everything about the movie to me screams THE END.

you never really watched buffy or angel, did you?
in all likelyhood...this is just the beginning of whatever story it is that joss is going to tell us.

~lissa, spwhore

FLYINFREE

Friday, June 24, 2005 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by SoulOfSerenity:
Well, we still don't know what the Alliance did to River in the first place, or why. That has never been explained.

Actually they did, it was a bioweapon project, turning people into weapons.

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"That's not much."
"It's enough." Malcolm Reynolds and Simon Tam - Serenity

FLYINFREE

Friday, June 24, 2005 1:23 PM

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Originally posted by lissa:
you never really watched buffy or angel, did you?
in all likelyhood...this is just the beginning of whatever story it is that joss is going to tell us.

I've seen every episode of Buffy, Angel and Firefly. The movie was just like the finale of Buffy and Angel, more than one main character died and all the plot lines were tied up. Joss did this movie for closure, both for the fans and for himself, he got to tell his story the way he wanted. For that I'm grateful, but I still hate that it's over.

"...we're still flyin'."
"That's not much."
"It's enough." Malcolm Reynolds and Simon Tam - Serenity

SOULOFSERENITY

Friday, June 24, 2005 1:25 PM

If you know Joss, this is NOT the end.

Mal & Inara: what will happen between the two of them. We saw the begining of what could possibly be between them, but we still don't know.

River: What will happen with her now? She is a weapon, and I doubt that the Alliance will just let her be.

Zoe: Wash is dead. How will she live with that? How will she change to deal with his death?

Book: Flashback backstory time!!!

What about Niska? YoSafBridge? Badger? The Second War For Independance?

There's plenty more story to tell. It's not over yet.

Remember your sig...

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Mantichorus: "So is there a reason they call you 'Soul'?"
Soul (after a long pause): "Yeah. Because I have one."

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AMYEL

Friday, June 24, 2005 1:45 PM

Zoe: The one thing that has never faultered in her entire adult life is her trust and loyalty in Mal. Once Wash died, she put everything she had into the belief that Mal would get the job done. She clearly didn't care if she died--she just wanted Mal to get the signal out. Now that the mission is over, is her faith Mal going to fade? Certainly, her feelings on her chosen profession are going to change. Her job both found and lost her husband. Will she blame Mal for that? Zoe is a soldier with very thick skin. Her emotions were projected onto Wash. He was like her mirror image. Will she become more outwardly badass and hardened to bottle up her feelings, or will she completely lose it?

Book: It takes a lot of effort and energy to hide a secret past. Now that he's dead, who's protecting his secrets? If you've ever had a family member or friend die, and you go to their house to clean out their stuff... you can find some really interesting things boxed up in the attic.

Nothing ever truly ends. It just changes form. ;)

MIKEYMO

Friday, June 24, 2005 2:13 PM

I just saw the screening last night, and I'm still processing it. Still, this didn't scream THE END at me. Of course, it could be the end, but Joss left a bunch of stuff on the table and frankly, you know he has a hundred other stories to tell about this crew.

Personally, I want to see Inara's story and what the hell was in that syringe!!

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R.I.P. Hoban Washburn - Curse your sudden but inevitable death!

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CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

Friday, June 24, 2005 2:14 PM

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Originally posted by FlyinFree:
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Originally posted by Spartan:
fear not browncoats, the best is yet to come

I wish I could believe that but everything about the movie to me screams THE END. The deaths of 2 main characters, every plot and storyline wrapped up, everything explained (with the exception of Book but with his death becomes meaningless)...

Like Amyel, I think we did find out Book's story, just indirectly. I think Book was once an operative; high-level Alliance with clearance to go anywhere, a vast military knowlege, and someone who was a believer. When Book talks to Mal about what The Operative is going to do, it's clear he knows this man, or at least, knows the type very, very well. And I think The Operative is likely going to find something new and better to believe, as Book did. (As Mal did too.)

Don't say Book's death was meaningless though; I was very sad to see it happen too, but it gave the crew the resolve they needed to find Miranda and from there try to set right what happened there. If what I believe about Book is correct, it might have corrected something he himself had a part in and which lived the rest of his life trying to atone for.

There's more story out there. It's a mighty big 'verse and these are still some Big Damn Heroes.

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BASSGRAVI

Friday, June 24, 2005 3:06 PM

I don't think it was really THE END, either...but on the other hand...some things make me feel like it might have to be THE END whether we like it or not...we'll see...and...more spoilers for the sake of me getting to rant and such...(here's hoping I get the spoiler text thingy right again....)

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Well, while I understand the angles you guys are getting at, and I see the typical Joss thing, it still bugs me...I mean...why does Joss get to stay typical when the soul of Firefly/Serenity is because it's something completely different. Also...I don't think Wash needed to die for the credibility of eveyone else's mortal danger. I'm feelin' the mortal danger. Really, I am. I don't think it makes it any more or less convincing, just sad. As for being surprising and unexpected, yeah, in a way it is, but you still know that not everyone is going to die for numerous reasons, mainly because if everyone dies there's no story to tell. I think the story would be just as good, and be a lot better in the end if we *thought* Wash was dead for a good long while and then managed to get a somewhat damaged Wash back...just as much as Kaylee, Wash is part of Serenity...imho, Kaylee and Wash are the heart and soul of the ship, maybe even the whole crew, and with Mal's rougher attitude in the movie they may just be Mal's heart and conscience.
I can see Book in a way, it's a big loss and the fact is that Book's secrets and mysteries add something to the story in that we don't know them, so it may be best to keep them under wraps a while longer and in Book's death find out more...
But Wash? Little cute, harmless, funny Wash who had (in my opinion) no reason to die?
I just can't accept the senseless loss theory...that was Book, and everyone else who had sheltered the crew, that was Mr.Universe, and the little kid that Kaylee knew. That was the people who weren't made into Reavers and probably more that I can't come up with off the top of my head.
Now, it's a great movie, really, it is. I can't really nitpick another person's dreams and this is Joss' baby, but I can't help but just wanting to walk around all day like "Why Wash?"
I understand to a point how y'all explain it, but I respectfully disagree. I see plenty of that from the rest of the movie and I can't just let that be it.
But then, if we were the types to just let things be, we wouldn't have ever gotten the movie...

Anyhoo...it *was* a great movie...but I think I'm going to have to warm up to it without Wash...
I understand that anything else I have litte issues with (because I just pick at *everything*) is because it's a movie, it's a movie for us browncoats, but then it's a movie that had to work out for people who've never seen Firefly, and it's a movie that has to make money because I don't think Universal was making it out of the warm fuzzy goodness of their little hearts.
Anyhoo...feel free to argue with me...it's just my opinion...that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

BLACKDOVE

Friday, June 24, 2005 3:07 PM

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Wash's death didn't bother me as much as I thought. It was meant to be shocking and horrific, and show just how dire the situation is for our crew. Anyone can die at any moment, and there are some very real consequences.

My only complaint is the way that none of the crew seemed the slightest bit phased by it. Zoe in particular showed almost no emotion whatsoever that her husband of the last several years was now gone forever. She was cold in a robotic sense. While her thirst for vengeance made the final action piece exciting, there was no emotional payoff at the end. I would have prefered at least one quick shot of Zoe breaking down after everything was over or at Wash's grave, just give us something that shows us her feelings of loss. If Joss filmed anything like this, I hope he gets smart and puts it back in the movie. We need to experience some form of closure for these two characters.

"What y'all order a dead guy for?" - Jayne Cobb

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