Any Reasonable Folk See Any Impeachable Offences?

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 9, 2019 2:02 AM

I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?

I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.

Has anybody changed their minds?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 9, 2019 2:06 AM

Nope.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, December 9, 2019 2:08 AM

Nope, especially when you look at the legal meaning (at the time) of 'misdemeanor' - which means 'failure of fiduciary duties'.

JO753

Monday, December 9, 2019 2:43 AM

Yes.

The Demz are calling it bribery, kuz that word actually appearz in The Constitution, but really, the correct name for hiz little skeem iz extortion.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

1KIKI

Monday, December 9, 2019 2:53 AM

JO -

Trump never mentioned any payment/exchange that had to be made to avoid any bad ending. You can't be extorted if no one is holding any consequences over you.

And EVERYONE who testified (something you'd know if you watched the public hearings, instead of plugging yourself into propaganda that feeds your paranoia) said that Zelensky didn't know about any 'consequences'.

And I have to ask - HOW MANY TIMES DOES ZELENSKY NEED TO REPEAT THAT HIMSELF?

Or are you going to continue to dismiss facts to cling to your fantasy?

ETA: I know you like to think of yourself as a smart guy. Show us you really are one by coming to a logical conclusion that doesn't involve dismissing facts like the transcript of the call or Zelensky's repeated statements; and that doesn't involve inventing 'new' facts like SLOPPY's IRS fantasy.

JO753

Monday, December 9, 2019 8:16 AM

Earth to 1KIKI.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SIGNYM

Monday, December 9, 2019 8:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Earth to 1KIKI.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

Wow, now THAT was intelligent! [NOT]

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SIGNYM

Monday, December 9, 2019 8:22 AM

FWIW, not so far.

And if the Dems thought there were any they would be trumpeting them to the stars, not Pelosi's "end of civilization as we know it" and "RUSSIA!!" fantasies.

JO, supposedly you pay attention to who is motivated to lie. So why is Pelosi throwing out giant red herrings instead of focusing on the matter at hand?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

1KIKI

Monday, December 9, 2019 8:25 AM

JO - I would respect you a lot more - OK - at all - if you could actually back up ANY of your arguments with the full range of known facts, and without making stuff up.

But you can't.

I know you think you're being clever. But anyone who can read understands your posts are filled with strawman arguments - also known as lies, unsupported assertions, and ad hominems - not to mention LIBEL and red-baiting. You're not making yourself look very intelligent, JO, or honest, honorable, logical, or even sane.

So all your 'ideas' may play well with you in your own head.

But one thing I ALSO know about you - you're completely resistant to real-world information, like the feedback that your wonderful noalf hasn't taken the English-speaking world by storm. So I don't expect you to learn anything at all from reality. Not about noalf or indeed anything else. After all, why would you change your life-long pattern?

That means I'll just laugh at you at you at every opportunity, and continue to point out how reality-deficient your posts are.

Or, you can join the real world and start working with facts.

Deal?

Flies shit.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, December 9, 2019 7:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Earth to 1KIKI.

It's useless trying to communicate with them, they're not looking to actually understand something. They're here to agitate and say, "nuh-uh" and type, type, type and add to their post count.

BTW - I see your Extortion and raise you Obstruction of Congress/Justice.

Imagine if this was one of the Clintons or that Black fella with the Muslim name... holy sh*t!

SECOND

Monday, December 9, 2019 8:15 PM

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true. Some are fooled both ways.

www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2019/12/the-responsibility-of-intell
ectuals-who-teach.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 9, 2019 8:19 PM

lol

I'm trying to "teach" you the reality that Trump will be relected in 2020 and the Democrats are likely to lose the house over this.

That's okay if you don't want to learn that now and it will take another year for reality to teach you that lesson.

I'm prepared for four more years of non-stop bitching about it from you guys then too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, December 9, 2019 10:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true. Some are fooled both ways.

And ... that would be you, SECOND. And also CC, JO, WISHY, SHINY, and THUGR.

There is no "there" there in this impeachment process. Trump said there was no quid pro quo. ZELENSKIY said there was no quid pro quo, and that he was unaware of any "pressure". The TRANSCRIPT says there was no quid pro quo, and furthermore there is not a single witness who has heard anything like it. Even SONDLAND says that he only presumed that's what Trump wanted, and when he asked trump directly Trump said "I want nothing ... no quid pro quo".

Is it possible that Giuliani secretly strong-armed Zelinskiy, and that for reasons best known to Zelinskiy he chooses to keep that private? Well, yes, I suppose it's possible. But you can't impeach Presidents based on your imagination, there has to be some sort of EVIDENCE.

This is turning out like the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! hoax, just like I said it would. You believed stuff that wasn't true then, and you're believing stuff that isn't true (or at least demonstrable) now.

And just like the RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hoax (which you fell for, before you pivoted to THIS hoax and forgot all about your last failure) and the Kavanaugh hoax, and the "children in cages" hoax, and the "Covington student assaults American native" hoax, you will be pivoted to yet another hoax and forget all about this one, and so on down the line all the way to the election, which you will believe that Trump "stole" should he happen to win, again.

Which btw is looking more and more likely, thanks to the DNC.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SECOND

Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

I'm trying to "teach" you the reality that Trump will be relected in 2020 and the Democrats are likely to lose the house over this.

That's okay if you don't want to learn that now and it will take another year for reality to teach you that lesson.

I'm prepared for four more years of non-stop bitching about it from you guys then too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, if you knew what you talk about you'd talk in percent probability Trump is reelected. This is how that was done in 2016: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

It is not too soon to place your bets: www.oddsshark.com/how-bet-us-politics

If you really believe Trump is guaranteed to win, sell your house and bet all that house money on Trump. You will be well rewarded for your certainty.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:22 AM

I said Trump was going to win in 2016 when everybody here and that I knew IRL "knew" that wasn't true.

Fuck fivethirtyeight.

BTW...

https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

Trump is a HUGE favorite for re-election right now if you're looking to place a wager.

I have a long history of saying that I don't gamble here, and how I won't even play the stock market anymore. Good luck with your bet if you make one though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, December 14, 2019 3:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?

I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.

Has anybody changed their minds?

Looks like it is 4-0 so far. Nobody has changed their minds.

However, with some of the posts of Kiki & Sigs lately, I am wondering if there are parts or details of the events disclosed Monday or recently that you two were not aware of? It almost seems as if you 2 were not familiar with all of the truth, facts, story of all the nefarious Dems and Libs. I had conjured that all reasonable folk were already aware, and I have mentioned at least some of the parts of the criminal activity, but i can understand that I did not make full discloossures all the time.

Maybe I'm reading your late posts incorrectly.

SIGNYM

Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:24 AM

Quote:
JSF: I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?
I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.
Has anybody changed their minds?

JSF: Looks like it is 4-0 so far. Nobody has changed their minds.
However, with some of the posts of Kiki & Sigs lately, I am wondering if there are parts or details of the events disclosed Monday or recently that you two were not aware of? It almost seems as if you 2 were not familiar with all of the truth, facts, story of all the nefarious Dems and Libs. I had conjured that all reasonable folk were already aware, and I have mentioned at least some of the parts of the criminal activity, but i can understand that I did not make full disclosures all the time.
Maybe I'm reading your late posts incorrectly.

JSF, I don't post everything I know, or surmise. I know there is a lot of corrupt money flowing thru Ukraine (which was the biggest donor to the Clinton "Foundation" pre-2017).

I know that there was no "quid pro quo" in the transcript, or that was admitted to by Zelenskiy.

I know that the DEMS think there was no crime committed, otherwise they would have referred to it in their articles of impeachment.

I know that RUSSIA!RUSSIA! was a hoax.

I know a lot of other things that make it irrelevant, IMHO, to pursue details further, because this is all Democratic political theater. But if you feel there is something else that is critically important to know, please let ME know.

OTOH, I also know that Lindsey Graham is a warhawk and deep-stater as much as any of the Dems (just like his good buddy John McCain [a moment of silence for John McCain's tumor, which gave its all for the country]) and that he will protect Trump but also protect the deep state by shutting off testimony PDQ. If you really think that the GOP is behind Trump's foreign policy initiatives, place a bet, because IMHO the GOP showed its true colors when GWB was in office.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SECOND

Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:51 PM

Impeachment exists to protect the US, not to punish its president

Ignorance may be bliss, but knowledge is power. Or at least that is what US founding father and philosopher James Madison thought.

Madison believed that for the American democratic experiment to succeed, each participant had to be informed. Freedom, he thought, came with responsibility. “Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge brings,” he wrote in the 18th century, an exhortation now etched on the outer walls of the Library of Congress.

Yet just across the street from the building where Madison’s words serve as a reminder to all who pass, some American politicians—all of whom have sworn an oath to the Constitution that Madison and his fellows formulated in 1787—are engaged in a dangerous misinformation campaign with grave implications.

Miffed by the inquiry into Donald Trump’s Ukraine dealings, which today yielded House Judiciary Committee approval of two articles of impeachment—abuse of power and obstruction of Congress—Republicans have framed the process as a “sham” and a purely political Democratic tactic to attempt to remove Trump from office ahead of the 2020 elections. Mike Johnson of Louisiana, for example, tweeted that the American people should get the final vote and that impeachment isn’t intended as a “corrective option.”

Johnson is right. Impeachment wasn’t designed to remove an unpopular president, just as elections weren’t created to investigate executives. Impeachment was designed to obtain information and use the knowledge to protect the American people and their institutions, to ensure the nation’s safety.

Thus, failing to follow up on allegations of wrongdoing, or engage with them in good faith, is a breach of duty.

More at https://qz.com/1768065/

James Madison Wants You to Read the Articles of Impeachment
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/
documents/Articles%20of%20Impeachment.pdf
Madison wants you to listen to the witnesses in that impeachment trial before deciding. The GOP Senators would rather not. Why listen? They have already decided. What they would much rather listen to is Hunter and Joe Biden, but the Justice Department handles cases such as Biden's, not the Senate.

The Senators are not interested in witnesses testifying about Article 1 "Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election."

The GOP Senators are even less interested in witnesses testifying about Article 2 "Donald J. Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its “sole Power of Impeachment”."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Saturday, December 14, 2019 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?

I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.

Has anybody changed their minds?

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

The Trump-Ukraine impeachment inquiry report

https://intelligence.house.gov/report/

As this report details, the impeachment inquiry has found that President Trump, personally and acting through agents within and outside of the U.S. government, solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, to benefit his reelection. In furtherance of this scheme, President Trump conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations, including one into President Trump’s domestic political opponent. In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine.

The President engaged in this course of conduct for the benefit of his own presidential reelection, to harm the election prospects of a political rival, and to influence our nation’s upcoming presidential election to his advantage. In doing so, the President placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States, sought to undermine the integrity of the U.S. presidential election process, and endangered U.S. national security.

At the center of this investigation is the memorandum prepared following President Trump’s July 25, 2019, phone call with Ukraine’s President, which the White House declassified and released under significant public pressure. The call record alone is stark evidence of misconduct; a demonstration of the President’s prioritization of his personal political benefit over the national interest. In response to President Zelensky’s appreciation for vital U.S. military assistance, which President Trump froze without explanation, President Trump asked for “a favor though”: two specific investigations designed to assist his reelection efforts.

Our investigation determined that this telephone call was neither the start nor the end of President Trump’s efforts to bend U.S. foreign policy for his personal gain. Rather, it was a dramatic crescendo within a months-long campaign driven by President Trump in which senior U.S. officials, including the Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Acting Chief of Staff, the Secretary of Energy, and others were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal political benefits sought by the President.

The investigation revealed the nature and extent of the President’s misconduct, notwithstanding an unprecedented campaign of obstruction by the President and his Administration to prevent the Committees from obtaining documentary evidence and testimony. A dozen witnesses followed President Trump’s orders, defying voluntary requests and lawful subpoenas, and refusing to testify. The White House, Department of State, Department of Defense, Office of Management and Budget, and Department of Energy refused to produce a single document in response to our subpoenas.

Ultimately, this sweeping effort to stonewall the House of Representatives’ “sole Power of Impeachment” under the Constitution failed because witnesses courageously came forward and testified in response to lawful process. The report that

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 15, 2019 1:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
JSF: I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?
I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.
Has anybody changed their minds?

JSF: Looks like it is 4-0 so far. Nobody has changed their minds.
However, with some of the posts of Kiki & Sigs lately, I am wondering if there are parts or details of the events disclosed Monday or recently that you two were not aware of? It almost seems as if you 2 were not familiar with all of the truth, facts, story of all the nefarious Dems and Libs. I had conjured that all reasonable folk were already aware, and I have mentioned at least some of the parts of the criminal activity, but i can understand that I did not make full disclosures all the time.
Maybe I'm reading your late posts incorrectly.

JSF, I don't post everything I know, or surmise. I know there is a lot of corrupt money flowing thru Ukraine (which was the biggest donor to the Clinton "Foundation" pre-2017).

I know that there was no "quid pro quo" in the transcript, or that was admitted to by Zelenskiy.

I know that the DEMS think there was no crime committed, otherwise they would have referred to it in their articles of impeachment.

I know that RUSSIA!RUSSIA! was a hoax.

I know a lot of other things that make it irrelevant, IMHO, to pursue details further, because this is all Democratic political theater. But if you feel there is something else that is critically important to know, please let ME know.

OTOH, I also know that Lindsey Graham is a warhawk and deep-stater as much as any of the Dems (just like his good buddy John McCain [a moment of silence for John McCain's tumor, which gave its all for the country]) and that he will protect Trump but also protect the deep state by shutting off testimony PDQ. If you really think that the GOP is behind Trump's foreign policy initiatives, place a bet, because IMHO the GOP showed its true colors when GWB was in office.

This.

At the end of the day, there are no "good guys".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 15, 2019 5:35 PM

Everything that the Dems did/are doing the Repubs did too. Everything that the Repubds did, Democrats did too.

Hounding a President with an endless cascade of frivolous and ever-changing impeachment allegations? Check. (The investigation of Bill Clinton which started with Whitewater and ended with Monica Lewinsky)

Rigging the Congressional system to blot out the minority party? Check

Hacking an election? Check (2000, 2004)

Expanding the government surveillance state? Check. (GWB tapping into AT&T lines, "Patriot Act")

Blowing the budget on endless wars? Check (GWB's many middle east invasions and the "GWOT")

Expanding the "wealth gap"? Check, check, and check. This is a perennial favorite of BOTH parties.

*****

It's not like the Dems are terrible and the Repubs are pure, or vice versa. There is plenty of corruption, warmongering, and Constitution-shredding to go around. I can only name a few people in Congress who are at all honorable: Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard, and they barely belong in their own parties; and Marcy Kaptur.

So while I don't see any impeachable offenses now, I didn't see any with Bill Clinton either, even tho I STRONGLY disagreed with most of his policies (ending "welfare as we know it", DADT, DMCA, Commodities Futures Moderinization Act, ending Glass Steagall, and destroying Yugolslavia). DISAGREEING with a President is not a cause for impeachment.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 16, 2019 12:02 AM

Yup. The pendulum has just swung wildly the other way this time. It's the only reason people would mistake me for a Republican by what I post. I know full well that it will swing the other way in the future and people are going to accuse me of being a Democrat again when that happens.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, December 16, 2019 12:51 AM

To get back to impeachment for a bit ... I think the dims messed up with their defense of Clinton, and so we have the situation we have today.

To be impeached, one must have committed a criminal act, an act listed under criminal statutes. In addition, it must be an IMPEACHABLE criminal act - a serious crime on the order of treason or bribery committed against the state. So for example, while perjury (I did not have sex with that woman) is a crime, perjury about getting a blow job doesn't rise to the level of an IMPEACHABLE criminal act.

As for 'misdemeanors', in the law at the time, it was defined as failure of fiduciary duties - for example, if the criminal act was setting up a corporation to funnel government monies to themselves personally (as we see in many corrupt states around the world - like Ukraine, Nigeria, Mexico, etc).

To be IMPEACHABLE, it has to be a crime so serious, that allowing it to continue would jeopardize the very existence or functioning of the state.

The dims should have planted their flag there when it came to Clinton, at the level of offense that makes an act IMPEACHABLE, and forced a clear definition of IMPEACHABLE offense, as a precedent. Instead, they blew past the hard question, and simply exonerated him.

And my opinion is that 'The Framers' (like, with 2x4's, hammer, and nails?) would have laughed their asses off over these obviously political idiocies today.

SECOND

Monday, December 16, 2019 6:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

To be impeached, one must have committed a criminal act, an act listed under criminal statutes.

1kiki, you are so full of shit.

Even the most secure of US presidents would be unnerved at the prospect that their political demise is only 67 votes away. And while Trump has been called a lot of things, "secure" is not one of them. This is the same Trump who just days ago took to Twitter to despicably mock 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg, likely because she beat him out for the title of Time magazine's "Person of the Year."

Adding to Trump's stress level are comments like the one made by former GOP Senator Jeff Flake, who recently declared that there would be "at least 35" Republican senators who would vote to remove Trump if ballots were kept secret. That number may be a bit high, but Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy stated a few weeks ago that he thinks there are at least five GOP senators already likely to vote with Democrats.

Any doubt that Trump is running this math through his head over and over, trying to figure out if he mocked or angered enough Republican senators that could spell his political doom?

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/27/jeff-flake-at-least-35
-gop-senators-would-impeach-trump/3792866002/
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/473337-democratic-senator-says-he-
knows-handful-of-gop-colleagues-considering-voting

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, December 16, 2019 7:01 AM

Do you have an actual REPLY to my statements?

SECOND

Monday, December 16, 2019 7:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Do you have an actual REPLY to my statements?

You mean your statement? "To be IMPEACHABLE, it has to be a crime so serious, that allowing it to continue would jeopardize the very existence or functioning of the state." 1kiki, you didn't get that idea from the Constitution. Even Trump knows better than you. Trump's own Twitter is a glimpse of a President in full panic mode. On Thursday, Trump unleashed a barrage of 123 tweets during the House Judiciary Committee debate on the articles of impeachment, many commenting on the hearings, including one instance where he accused two Democratic members of the House of lying.

Trump should be worried. Anything can happen in a trial. All it will take is just 20 Republican senators to join the Democrats in saying they had enough of his antics, and Trump will have earned himself a place in history as the first president removed by the Senate.

www.businessinsider.com/trump-very-busy-day-after-tweeting-over-90-tim
es-2019-12

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, December 16, 2019 8:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Do you have an actual REPLY to my statements?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 16, 2019 8:41 AM

Nobody is panicking.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, December 16, 2019 8:58 AM

I'm dividing my time between cooking*, housework, and posting, so I only come by here and there to see if I've gotten anything meaningful from SECOND. But it looks like SECOND is at present incapable of anything besides irrelevancies, including posting unrelated opinion pieces from back in September.

So, I'll just ignore SECOND at this point.

* I really enjoy developing new recipes. My next batch well be marinara. I know - EVERYONE does marinara :rollseyes: . But this will have a very tasty brand of ground beef, and be, I hope, a winter-worthy dish of comfort food.

SECOND

Monday, December 16, 2019 4:14 PM

Republicans have made crystal clear that they understand the nature of the President’s abuses of power and that they will not only protect him from the consequences of his actions but, in an effort to do so, bend reality to pretend that it is in fact fine and even admirable for a President to use extortion to force a foreign power to intervene in a US election.

Republicans have made their intentions crystal clear. Republicans have already decided to protect a lawless President from constitutional accountability. If some Republican Senators decide to change their minds and do the right thing, they are welcome to do so.

Senate Republicans have made very clear there is no level of lawless behavior from this President that they will not defend. This needs to be said over and over.

www.salon.com/2019/12/15/lindsey-graham-on-impeaching-donald-trump-i-a
m-clearly-made-up-my-mind/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/schiff-nadler-slam-gop-senators-for
-already-deciding-not-to-impeach-trump-before-trial

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 16, 2019 9:56 PM

Nobody cares what you or Salon.com thinks.

Your impeachment is a political partisan hack job.

You've even got one or two house Democrats flipping to GOP over this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 23, 2019 1:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So while I don't see any impeachable offenses now, I didn't see any with Bill Clinton either, even tho I STRONGLY disagreed with most of his policies (ending "welfare as we know it", DADT, DMCA, Commodities Futures Moderinization Act, ending Glass Steagall, and destroying Yugolslavia). DISAGREEING with a President is not a cause for impeachment.

Whoa.

This blows a hole in the polling.

I guess we're at 3-0 now.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, December 29, 2019 2:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So while I don't see any impeachable offenses now, I didn't see any with Bill Clinton either, even tho I STRONGLY disagreed with most of his policies (ending "welfare as we know it", DADT, DMCA, Commodities Futures Moderinization Act, ending Glass Steagall, and destroying Yugolslavia). DISAGREEING with a President is not a cause for impeachment.
Whoa.

This blows a hole in the polling.

I guess we're at 3-0 now.

Alright, continuing now....

If you were to recalibrate your viewpoint and relate for us, how do you feel the rudeness, bumbling, bloviating of Trump compares, in an Impeachment spectrum, to the crimes which Clinton was Impeached for, as well as the crimes Clinton was not Impeached for?

Are Trump's actions closer to Impeachable, in your opinion, than Clinton's crimes?

WISHIMAY

Sunday, December 29, 2019 3:54 AM

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Originally posted by second:
This is the same Trump who just days ago took to Twitter to despicably mock 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg, likely because she beat him out for the title of Time magazine's "Person of the Year."

But the party of fascist family values LUUUVES teens like Greta, Malala, David Hogg, Emma Gonzalez, Jazz Jennings...

In fact, here's a whole list of kids for you to hate at.

https://time.com/5463721/most-influential-teens-2018/

I can't wait for an entire generation to see what total POS's the Rethug party has been lately AND RUN THE OTHER FUCKING WAY

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It's gonna be great!

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 29, 2019 2:26 PM

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Alright, continuing now....

If you were to recalibrate your viewpoint and relate for us, how do you feel the rudeness, bumbling, bloviating of Trump compares, in an Impeachment spectrum, to the crimes which Clinton was Impeached for, as well as the crimes Clinton was not Impeached for?

Are Trump's actions closer to Impeachable, in your opinion, than Clinton's crimes?

Bill Clinton was impeached for

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lying under oath and obstruction of justice. The charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones and from Clinton's testimony denying that he had engaged in a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

I know that Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress about having sex with Lewinsky. Personally, I think that impeachment was a farce; demanding testimony about a private personal matter between two consenting adults. If I had been in Bill's shoes I would have lied, too. Whatever happened between him and Lewinsky was no affair of Congress'. I'm not sure where the "obstruction of justice" charge comes from in the Paula Jones case, unless it had to do with providing misleading evidence to the relevant civil court about the case. I think that's more important, but probably not worthy of impeachment. It probably should have been pursued in the relevant courts, not Congress.

Trump is something of a different matter. In a similar vein to Bill Clinton one of the articles of impeachment is "obstruction of Congress". That's not even a crime (like lying under oath) and if I thought that "lying under oath" to Congress - given the personal and non-criminal matter being questioned - was farcical grounds for impeachment then "obstruction of Congress" is even more farcical. "Abuse of power" is a totally made-up charge which nobody testified to, not even the presumed victim. Although the grounds for impeachment in Trump's case SOUND more serious, they're based on made-up stories that have less to do with reality than the Clinton articles of impeachment.

Congress ... is being Congress. Small-minded, vindictive, more concerned with partisan power than governing, petty and evil. One time it was the GOP, and one time it was the Dems. They both deserve to be booted out of office, and (in Bill Clinton's case) many of them were. I hope that in the upcoming elections the Dims who orchestrated this farce themselves will be voted out of office, altho Pelosi (being from CA) will be safe in office.

In both cases I think a party in Congress was/is acting in a cynical, partisan and completely transparent power grab, which I find incredibly frustrating and offensive. What I find more worrying about Trump's situation is that in his case the deep state itself is fabricating evidence against him.

*****

I would have been much happier if the Dems could have gotten onboard with the positive aspects of Trump's plans. I see no upside to fostering massive illegal immigration, and no upside to constantly warring in the mideast, no upside to pursuing a policy of constantly provoking Russia and China (all we've done is drive them into each other's arms) and no upside to outsourcing more jobs and signing more "free trade" deals. Congress might have been able to make some deals by agreeing with these parts of Trump's platform in exchange for making progress on healthcare, for example (allowing Medicare to negotiate better drug prices, requiring posted standard pricing for hospital charges, breaking up the insurance oligopolies etc.) and reducing military spending by bringing troops home in exchange for better defensive preparedness.

Instead, they chose to make up all kinds of crap about "Russian hacking" and "collusion" and "Ukrainegate" ... all of which are fabricated. Why they didn't focus on real problems and real solutions instead is beyond me (unless they were so implicated in dirty money they

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 29, 2019 2:30 PM

BTW, I still see no impeachable offenses.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 29, 2019 2:38 PM

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SECOND: This is the same Trump who just days ago took to Twitter to despicably mock 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg, likely because

Mind-reading again, SECOND?

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she beat him out for the title of Time magazine's "Person of the Year."

But the party of fascist family values LUUUVES teens like Greta, Malala, David Hogg, Emma Gonzalez, Jazz Jennings... In fact, here's a whole list of kids for you to hate at. https://time.com/5463721/most-influential-teens-2018/

Since when is a teenager having a massive and continuous temper tantrum going to change anything? I see ... as she will too, in time ... that the elites who are propping her up at various conferences and meetings have absolutely NO intention of changing anything. Want to know how I know? Because they [the cause of the problem] are applauding her. If they really wanted to change, they would feel threatened, and there would be no applause, they would be worried. They're just using her to virtue-signal. Don't worry ... they'll carry on with their nefarious plans, with or without her!

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I can't wait for an entire generation to see what total POS's the Rethug party has been lately AND RUN THE OTHER FUCKING WAY .
It's gonna be great!

Yep, especially when they see that the Dims are no better. THAT'LL be a great day!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SECOND

Sunday, December 29, 2019 6:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SECOND: This is the same Trump who just days ago took to Twitter to despicably mock 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg, likely because
Mind-reading again, SECOND?
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she beat him out for the title of Time magazine's "Person of the Year."

But the party of fascist family values LUUUVES teens like Greta, Malala, David Hogg, Emma Gonzalez, Jazz Jennings... In fact, here's a whole list of kids for you to hate at. https://time.com/5463721/most-influential-teens-2018/
Since when is a teenager having a massive and continuous temper tantrum going to change anything? I see ... as she will too, in time ... that the elites who are propping her up at various conferences and meetings have absolutely NO intention of changing anything. Want to know how I know? Because they [the cause of the problem] are applauding her. If they really wanted to change, they would feel threatened, and there would be no applause, they would be worried. They're just using her to virtue-signal. Don't worry ... they'll carry on with their nefarious plans, with or without her!

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I can't wait for an entire generation to see what total POS's the Rethug party has been lately AND RUN THE OTHER FUCKING WAY .
It's gonna be great!
Yep, especially when they see that the Dims are no better. THAT'LL be a great day!

The average American makes around 16 tonnes of CO2 per year and the average Republican does not want to pay to handle that waste. It was the Republicans who were outraged at the cost to stop raw sewage flowing into Galveston Bay. They just didn't want to pay because the Gulf of Mexico would swallow the sewage at no cost. We are seeing the same Republican fury at paying for sewage now turned to CO2, which Republicans feel can be swallowed by the entire Earth's atmosphere at no cost.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?locations=US

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 29, 2019 10:24 PM

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SECOND: This is the same Trump who just days ago took to Twitter to despicably mock 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg, likely because ...

SIGNY: Mind-reading again, SECOND?

SECOND... she beat him out for the title of Time magazine's "Person of the Year."

TWITCHY: But the party of fascist family values LUUUVES teens like Greta, Malala, David Hogg, Emma Gonzalez, Jazz Jennings... In fact, here's a whole list of kids for you to hate at. https://time.com/5463721/most-influential-teens-2018/

SIGNY: Since when is a teenager having a massive and continuous temper tantrum going to change anything? I see ... as she will too, in time ... that the elites who are propping her up at various conferences and meetings have absolutely NO intention of changing anything. Want to know how I know? Because they [the cause of the problem] are applauding her. If they really wanted to change, they would feel threatened, and there would be no applause, they would be worried. They're just using her to virtue-signal. Don't worry ... they'll carry on with their nefarious plans, with or without her!

TWITCHY: I can't wait for an entire generation to see what total POS's the Rethug party has been lately AND RUN THE OTHER FUCKING WAY .
It's gonna be great!

SIGNY: Yep, especially when they see that the Dims are no better. THAT'LL be a great day!

SECOND: The average American makes around 16 tonnes of CO2 per year and the average Republican does not want to pay to handle that waste. It was the Republicans who were outraged at the cost to stop raw sewage blah blah blah ...

SLOPPY (in honor of your sloppy retention of facts): I KNOW this has been posted before, but ...

No Republican has ever budged the needle on carbon emissions (except GWB) ... and no Democratic President has, either. Do they REALLY want to reduce carbon emissions??? Then rein in the biggest single carbon-emitter on the planet -the Pentagon - and institute a carbon tax to increase the cost of fuel about 30% (which TPP and TTIP would have made illegal). Everything downstream of that price increase - from land-use planning to SUV sales (which btw you're all for) to farm production- will fall in line. All of this nibbling around the edges with lightbulb standards and Paris Accord is virtue-signalling and, by definition, ineffective.

It's like the wealth gap: Obama oversaw the biggest increase in the wealth gap ever.

Yanno, you complain about Americans being innumerate and forgetting what their DC politicians have done, and yet when it comes to evaluating the Dems you apply a kinder, gentler, stupider evaluation.

Oh BTW, for people who don't know their history, the EPA was set up by Nixon (R). https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/gallery-why-nix
on-created-the-epa/67351/

It's not a PARTY thing, it's a MONEY thing. And BOTH parties are equally guilty about sucking up to money!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 29, 2019 10:34 PM

Oh btw - to veer sharply back on-topic: STILL no impeachable offense, just offensive political theater. Like Bill Clinton's impeachment.

NOW, WITH !ALL NEW! DEEP STATE FABRICATED EVIDENCE!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SECOND

Sunday, December 29, 2019 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh BTW, for people who don't know their history, the EPA was set up by Nixon (R). https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/gallery-why-nix
on-created-the-epa/67351/

It's not a PARTY thing, it's a MONEY thing. And BOTH parties are equally guilty about sucking up to money!

2009: The EPA concluded that carbon dioxide should be regulated under the Clean Air Act in an effort to mitigate human-caused climate change. And who undid that? Trump and GOP.
https://ballotpedia.org/U.S._Environmental_Protection_Agency

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Monday, December 30, 2019 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?

I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.

Has anybody changed their minds?

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/12/politics/impeachment-articles-
annotated/

The articles of impeachment against President Trump, annotated
By Zachary B. Wolf and Curt Merrill, CNN
Published December 10, 2019

House Democrats unveiled the two articles of impeachment they prepared against President Donald Trump after a two-and-a-half month investigation into his pressure on Ukraine to investigate his 2020 political rival Joe Biden as well as conspiracy theories about foreign interference in the 2016 presidential election.

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RESOLUTION
Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved, That Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
This is written in legislative language, so get ready for some legalese. Lawmakers who vote for these articles would be agreeing with impeaching Trump and referring his case to the Senate for trial.
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
The Democratic lawmakers who wrote these articles argue they’re speaking for all Americans rather than just for House members. This is important since, while Congress is the unit of government closest to the people, Trump’s defenders have argued impeachment would overturn the will of the people expressed in the 2016 presidential election.
ARTICLE I: ABUSE OF POWER
This is the first article of impeachment. There will be votes on each.
The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment” and that the President “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, a Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”. In his conduct of the office of President of the United States — and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed —
The oath of office, as spelled out in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, is: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Article II, Section 4 has the portion about the President being impeached by the House and removed from office by the Senate.
Donald J. Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency, in that:
It’s important for Democrats to prove this point. It can’t just be a political or policy difference that leads them to this drastic step. They most prove that Trump has betrayed the trust of the American people.
Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States

SIGNYM

Monday, December 30, 2019 12:02 AM

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SIGNY: Oh BTW, for people who don't know their history, the EPA was set up by Nixon (R). https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/gallery-why-nix
on-created-the-epa/67351/

It's not a PARTY thing, it's a MONEY thing. And BOTH parties are equally guilty about sucking up to money!

SLOPPY: [2009: The EPA concluded that carbon dioxide should be regulated under the Clean Air Act in an effort to mitigate human-caused climate change. And who undid that? Trump and GOP.
https://ballotpedia.org/U.S._Environmental_Protection_Agency

Wow, gee, 2009 ... the second year into Obama's two terms as President.

Did he manage to DO anything in those eight years, despite accruing to himself the regulatory authority to do so thru the EPA? (and BTW being willing to throw it away on TTP and TTIP)? I mean, besides having the CO2 emissions drop because of the 2008 finanical lockup and subsequent economic downturn?

It's kinda like the wealth gap (which also shrank in 2008 when the elites lost billions in wealth)- Obama gets a lot of credit for shit he didn't accomplish.

No big fan of GOP denialism and rampant environmental destruction, but Dem virtue signalling and hand-wringing isn't helpful either. You've got to be willing to cross powerful financial interests in order to make real change. Yanno, like crossing the hospital, pharma, and health insurance interests in order to make better healthcare. Obama wasn't willing to do that, either.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 30, 2019 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIGNY: Oh BTW, for people who don't know their history, the EPA was set up by Nixon (R). https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/gallery-why-nix
on-created-the-epa/67351/

It's not a PARTY thing, it's a MONEY thing. And BOTH parties are equally guilty about sucking up to money!

SLOPPY: [2009: The EPA concluded that carbon dioxide should be regulated under the Clean Air Act in an effort to mitigate human-caused climate change. And who undid that? Trump and GOP.
https://ballotpedia.org/U.S._Environmental_Protection_Agency
Wow, gee, 2009 ... the second year into Obama's two terms as President.

Did he manage to DO anything in those eight years, despite accruing to himself the regulatory authority to do so thru the EPA? (and BTW being willing to throw it away on TTP and TTIP)? I mean, besides having the CO2 emissions drop because of the 2008 finanical lockup and subsequent economic downturn?

It's kinda like the wealth gap (which also shrank in 2008 when the elites lost billions in wealth)- Obama gets a lot of credit for shit he didn't accomplish.

No big fan of GOP denialism and rampant environmental destruction, but Dem virtue signalling and hand-wringing isn't helpful either. You've got to be willing to cross powerful financial interests in order to make real change. Yanno, like crossing the hospital, pharma, and health insurance interests in order to make better healthcare. Obama wasn't willing to do that, either.

2009 was the FIRST year of Obamination.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 30, 2019 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Alright, continuing now....

If you were to recalibrate your viewpoint and relate for us, how do you feel the rudeness, bumbling, bloviating of Trump compares, in an Impeachment spectrum, to the crimes which Clinton was Impeached for, as well as the crimes Clinton was not Impeached for?

Are Trump's actions closer to Impeachable, in your opinion, than Clinton's crimes?
Bill Clinton was impeached for
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lying under oath and obstruction of justice. The charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones and from Clinton's testimony denying that he had engaged in a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
I know that Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress about having sex with Lewinsky. Personally, I think that impeachment was a farce; demanding testimony about a private personal matter between two consenting adults. If I had been in Bill's shoes I would have lied, too. Whatever happened between him and Lewinsky was no affair of Congress'. I'm not sure where the "obstruction of justice" charge comes from in the Paula Jones case, unless it had to do with providing misleading evidence to the relevant civil court about the case. I think that's more important, but probably not worthy of impeachment. It probably should have been pursued in the relevant courts, not Congress.

Trump is something of a different matter. In a similar vein to Bill Clinton one of the articles of impeachment is "obstruction of Congress". That's not even a crime (like lying under oath) and if I thought that "lying under oath" to Congress - given the personal and non-criminal matter being questioned - was farcical grounds for impeachment then "obstruction of Congress" is even more farcical. "Abuse of power" is a totally made-up charge which nobody testified to, not even the presumed victim. Although the grounds for impeachment in Trump's case SOUND more serious, they're based on made-up stories that have less to do with reality than the Clinton articles of impeachment.

Congress ... is being Congress. Small-minded, vindictive, more concerned with partisan power than governing, petty and evil. One time it was the GOP, and one time it was the Dems. They both deserve to be booted out of office, and (in Bill Clinton's case) many of them were. I hope that in the upcoming elections the Dims who orchestrated this farce themselves will be voted out of office, altho Pelosi (being from CA) will be safe in office.

In both cases I think a party in Congress was/is acting in a cynical, partisan and completely transparent power grab, which I find incredibly frustrating and offensive. What I find more worrying about Trump's situation is that in his case the deep state itself is fabricating evidence against him.

*****

I would have been much happier if the Dems could have gotten onboard with the positive aspects of Trump's plans. I see no upside to fostering massive illegal immigration, and no upside to constantly warring in the mideast, no upside to pursuing a policy of constantly provoking Russia and China (all we've done is drive them into each other's arms) and no upside to outsourcing more jobs and signing more "free trade" deals. Congress might have been able to make some deals by agreeing with these parts of Trump's platform in exchange for making progress on healthcare, for example (allowing Medicare to negotiate better drug prices, requiring posted standard pricing for hospital charges, breaking up the insurance oligopolies etc.) and reducing military spending by bringing troops home in exchange for better defensive preparedness.

Instead, they chose to make up all kinds of crap about "Russian hacking" and "collusion" and "Ukrainegate" ... all of which are fabricated. Why they didn't focus on real problems and real solutions instead is beyond me (unless they we

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SIGNYM

Monday, December 30, 2019 12:44 AM

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OK. So we are back to 4-0.

What's 4-0?

Oh btw you're right: 2009 was Obama's FIRST year in office.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 30, 2019 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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OK. So we are back to 4-0.
What's 4-0?

Oh btw you're right: 2009 was Obama's FIRST year in office.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm wondering, have any of the sensible people been convinced/converted into thinking there has been any Impeachable actions, or have seen any evidience, or heard any witnesses?

I'm obviously not referring to the parade of Trolls who have been galloping to their delusional tune all this time, believing whatever that senile mumbler Stretch Pelosi blathers. Hey, she's only 79.

Has anybody changed their minds?
Looks like it is 4-0 so far. Nobody has changed their minds.

However, with some of the posts of Kiki & Sigs lately, I am wondering if there are parts or details of the events disclosed Monday or recently that you two were not aware of? It almost seems as if you 2 were not familiar with all of the truth, facts, story of all the nefarious Dems and Libs. I had conjured that all reasonable folk were already aware, and I have mentioned at least some of the parts of the criminal activity, but i can understand that I did not make full discloossures all the time.

Maybe I'm reading your late posts incorrectly.

1KIKI

Monday, December 30, 2019 1:48 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since when is a teenager having a massive and continuous temper tantrum going to change anything? I see ... as she will too, in time ... that the elites who are propping her up at various conferences and meetings have absolutely NO intention of changing anything. Want to know how I know? Because they [the cause of the problem] are applauding her. If they really wanted to change, they would feel threatened, and there would be no applause, they would be worried. They're just using her to virtue-signal. Don't worry ... they'll carry on with their nefarious plans, with or without her!

I think she learned at home that righteous angry temper tantrums get results, which is why she behaves the way she does. But if she's on the spectrum, she'd have to be very bright to intellectually learn what she doesn't learn socially - that the world 'out there' is different from home, and in addition, to learn the way bodies of powerful people function. That's a tall order.

But hell, even adults who are supposedly normal can't learn that. After all, look at SLOPPY, THUGGER, and WHIZZY, who keep treating the entire planet as if it was a re-creation of their small childhood experience.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 30, 2019 8:56 AM

Must have been a record low amount of anti-Trump rhetoric in the legacy media today.

In other news, Michael Moore just said that 2 out of every three white men voted for Trump, so if you see 3 white guys walking down the street you should run away from them in fear because two of them are evil people.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Monday, December 30, 2019 1:25 PM

Tee Hee.

Oh, say can you seee
by the dawns early light?
What so proudly you mocked
will be your own un..dooo..ing!
Dat da dada dah dahhhhh dat de dah dah dadahhh!!!!

https://frontier.yahoo.com/news/generational-split-over-trump-emerges-
171603093.html

SECOND

Monday, December 30, 2019 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In other news, Michael Moore just said that 2 out of every three white men voted for Trump, so if you see 3 white guys walking down the street you should run away from them in fear because two of them are evil people.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Moore said that 2 out of 3 voting white men voted for Trump. Since voter turnout in major elections is only 53 percent, if you saw white men picked randomly, about half of them (47%) are brain-dead zombies since they are of zero significance in the world because they don't vote. Run from the zombies! But if you talk to the brain-dead, they think they are the live ones, the smart ones, because [fill in a brain-dead stupid reason that isn't worth typing].
www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/04/behind-2018-united-states-midte
rm-election-turnout.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 30, 2019 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In other news, Michael Moore just said that 2 out of every three white men voted for Trump, so if you see 3 white guys walking down the street you should run away from them in fear because two of them are evil people.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Moore said that 2 out of 3 voting white men voted for Trump. Since voter turnout in major elections is only 53 percent, if you saw white men picked randomly, about half of them (47%) are brain-dead zombies since they are of zero significance in the world because they don't vote. Run from the zombies! But if you talk to the brain-dead, they think they are the live ones, the smart ones, because [fill in a brain-dead stupid reason that isn't worth typing].
www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/04/behind-2018-united-states-midte
rm-election-turnout.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

He's the one who said both 2 out of 3 voting white men and then said 3 white men on the street.

He's the Democrat. He's the one who can't math.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/26/michael-moore-declare
s-white-people-have-not-chang/

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“Two-thirds of all white guys voted for Trump,” he continued. “That means anytime you see three white guys walking at you, down the street toward you, two of them voted for Trump. You need to move over to the other sidewalk because these are not good people that are walking toward you. You should be afraid of them.”

That worked out SOOOOOOOO well for Democrats in 2016, didn't it?

Besides... I didn't see any black people up on that last debate stage, did you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, December 30, 2019 7:18 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That worked out SOOOOOOOO well for Democrats in 2016, didn't it?

I didn't vote for Trump, but he sure benefited me by signing the Trump-Lowers-His-Own-Taxes Law. He did it to benefit himself, but I'll take my share. Funny thing, unlike with other Presidents who reveal their personal taxes while in office, we will never know how much Trump actually benefited, at least not until the Supreme Court rules.
www.efile.com/historic-1040-income-tax-returns-of-us-presidents-and-ca
ndidates/

See the stories about Trump losing three times in court to keep his returns secret. Having lost, and being laughed at by the judges' rulings, his lawyers appeal to the Supreme Court. This is the same Trump who loudly promised he would make his tax returns available to the public. Why did he make it a Supreme Court case, unless he knows there is tax cheating in his returns? His sister got caught underpaying her taxes on the same real estate deals as Trump was involved in, but the sister's tax returns are public knowledge. Trump's are not, but only because his lawyers have fought long and hard to keep the returns secret.

"Trump’s sister quits as judge, prematurely ending probe into whether she committed tax fraud alongside president"

Maryanne Trump Barry retires 10 days after judicial conduct probe announced

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sister-mar
yanne-barry-judge-retires-tax-fraud-investigation-a8864946.html

"Trump to Supreme Court: Take case and block House committee from tax returns"
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/05/donald-trump-supreme-c
ourt-tax-financial-data/2618042001/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 30, 2019 8:38 PM

I don't care about your taxes. Nobody else does either. Even if we did, you've told us about them 100 times already.

Why don't you stay on topic for once?

I'm asking you if you agree with Michael Moore. Are 2 out of 3 white men bad people that you need to flee from to save your life?

I'm also wondering if you think that this is a good tactic to pursue, in light of the 2016 results and how the Democrats behaved themselves leading up to them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't care about your taxes. Nobody else does either. Even if we did, you've told us about them 100 times already.

Why don't you stay on topic for once?

Oh god, that's hilarious.

You realize you spent an entire YEAR blathering about your property taxes, right?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't care about your taxes. Nobody else does either. Even if we did, you've told us about them 100 times already.

Why don't you stay on topic for once?

Oh god, that's hilarious.

You realize you spent an entire YEAR blathering about your property taxes, right?

Context, Nilbog.

Second lies to us about how he's a big business man and how he gets millions of dollars thanks to Trump's tax breaks at least three times a week, and it's always in response to something that isn't even related to that lie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:11 AM

If the Senate ever does decide on a Trial of Impeachment, it would be nice if they call as witnesses Shiff, Nadler, Hunter & Joe Biden. Then they could get to the bottom of all their illegal activities and Impeachable offenses.

1KIKI

Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
If the Senate ever does decide on a Trial of Impeachment, it would be nice if they call as witnesses Shiff, Nadler, Hunter & Joe Biden. Then they could get to the bottom of all their illegal activities and Impeachable offenses.

One hopes. Let it all come out! - favoring and excluding no one.

Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:31 AM

Too many reasonable folk in The Senate.

But, hey! Stretch Pelosi turns 80 in 6 weeks.

I'm disappointed the Bidens escaped unscathed.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:30 AM

Disappointed, but not at all surprised.

This could have gone on for another 6 months in the Senate, but they chose to bury it. Nancy never wanted it to even go to an official impeachment, and the Senate GOP covered her ass. They're all covering each other's asses, and both chambers played partisan make believe for show here.

The only people in either chamber that are actually pissed off about the outcome and not breathing a sigh of relief that it's not over right now are AOC and Cenk Yuger's other freshman Democrats. They're insane, but they're relatively untainted... at least for now. Give them a few more years and they'll be proper parts of the machine.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, October 16, 2022 12:10 AM

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JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 8:44 PM

Trump not really banned from the interwebs

https://truthsocial.com