How to betray democracy (Brexit)

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SIGNYM

Sunday, March 24, 2019 5:59 PM

You can be forgiven if you haven't followed the Brexit drama. It's been a series of miscalculations, reversals, and underhanded dealings in the EU and British Parliament but is best summed up this way:

Two years ago, people voted to leave the EU.
Altho MPs want to remain (because they are cosily nestled in the armpit of the EU) NOBODY wants to be tagged with scuttling the Brexit vote because their constituents are for Brexit
Prime Minister Theresa May and Chancellor Angela Merkel crafted a "Brexit"that is worse than the current legal situation, a "Brexit" which removes even the possibility of Brexit pretty much forever
EU has voted to extend the Brexit negotiations, but not beyond the point where British members can stand for EU Parliamentary elections, since including the EU will introduce considerable "Euroskeptic" members into the EU Parliament. God forbed tha eU Paarliament reflects the will of the people!
The EU's MO is ... "If we don't like the vote we'll keep holding one until we get the results we like"
British "back benchers" appear willing to vote for May's awful plan and hang the mess on her neck ... before they toss her from office, making her the official scapegoat.

Thus, with "diluted responsibility", the mandate of the Brexit referendum is thwarted, and the borg ... er, I mean "integrtionists" ... survives

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:21 PM

I still hold out hope for them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You can be forgiven if you haven't followed the Brexit drama. It's been a series of miscalculations, reversals, and underhanded dealings in the EU and British Parliament but is best summed up this way:

Two years ago, people voted to leave the EU.
Altho MPs want to remain (because they are cosily nestled in the armpit of the EU) NOBODY wants to be tagged with scuttling the Brexit vote because their constituents are for Brexit
Prime Minister Theresa May and Chancellor Angela Merkel crafted a "Brexit"that is worse than the current legal situation, a "Brexit" which removes even the possibility of Brexit pretty much forever
EU has voted to extend the Brexit negotiations, but not beyond the point where British members can stand for EU Parliamentary elections, since including the EU will introduce considerable "Euroskeptic" members into the EU Parliament. God forbed tha eU Paarliament reflects the will of the people!
The EU's MO is ... "If we don't like the vote we'll keep holding one until we get the results we like"
British "back benchers" appear willing to vote for May's awful plan and hang the mess on her neck ... before they toss her from office, making her the official scapegoat.

Thus, with "diluted responsibility", the mandate of the Brexit referendum is thwarted, and the borg ... er, I mean "integrtionists" ... survives

They should vote again. The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement. Now, there's been 2 years of learning and understanding that they will never get unstuck from the EU, not without great damage. Better to make the most of the situation they had than scuttle it all and start with an even greater mess. Sometimes there are great sounding ideas that just don't work.

Highly recommend Prime Minister's Hour on cspan for more details.

And throwing May into the Thames won't solve much. This stuff is written into law. Whoever replaces her will take on the same problem.

RUE

Sunday, March 24, 2019 11:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement.

Are you saying the EU isn't a voluntary organization, and that countries are vassal states?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 24, 2019 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement.
Are you saying the EU isn't a voluntary organization, and that countries are vassal states?

Maybe he meant that sometimes there are great sounding ideas, that just don't work. Like the European Union, New World Order.

SIGNYM

Monday, March 25, 2019 6:25 PM

It is NOT "impossible", particularly since Britain kept its own currency. The thing that made it difficult was the concession that May volunteered before negotiations with the EU even began, and that was to keep an open border between Ireland (not part of Brexit) and Northern Ireland (part of Brexit).

May is a "Remainer" and she worked out a deal with Merkel; May's "negotiations" were half-hearted at best.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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SIGNYM

Monday, March 25, 2019 6:26 PM

Quote:
May Offers Brexiteers A Deal: 'Back The Withdrawal Agreement, And I Will Resign'

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:59 PM

29th looms and nobody leaving?

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:05 AM

Many ministers have resigned, Parliament took "indicative" (non-binding) votes on the six (or seven) options on the table and none achieved a majority, Theresa May tabled (for a third time) HER deal (which was Merkel's deal) was just voted down (again) today ... this time by 58 votes... altho the EU offered a very short extension (April 12 if Theresa's deal was voted down, May 22 if Theresa's deal was approved) ... given the chaos in Parliament I can't imagine that any options will bubble up before April 12. It looks more and more like Britain will "crash out" of the EU. Stay tuned ...

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, March 30, 2019 1:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Many ministers have resigned, Parliament took "indicative" (non-binding) votes on the six (or seven) options on the table and none achieved a majority, Theresa May tabled (for a third time) HER deal (which was Merkel's deal) was just voted down (again) today ... this time by 58 votes... altho the EU offered a very short extension (April 12 if Theresa's deal was voted down, May 22 if Theresa's deal was approved) ... given the chaos in Parliament I can't imagine that any options will bubble up before April 12. It looks more and more like Britain will "crash out" of the EU. Stay tuned ...

I used to be amazed at her resolve. Being overwhelmingly disliked you'd think she'd just say, "fug it, I'm out." But she soldiered on. Now though, with her being beaten so many times and even historically, I think she's just being stubborn, vain and even dense. Her last hope at any chance to be remembered well is to resign, BUT first, to call for another public vote and publicly declare "I was wrong - we know so much more now... and the way forward is pretty clear..." Pretty clear too, that most of Parliament and a majority of the citizens of the UK are against her and against leaving. "How YOU just leave!"

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