Fake news, propaganda, and censorship. NOW (2022) with a Ministry of Truth!
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UPDATED: Monday, April 27, 2026 21:49
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The previous thread about FAKE NEWS was just examples of fake news in the mainstream media. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61129
But the topic is much greater than the willingness of the MSM to carry fake news: There is fake news on all sides, and also our government's willingness to not only censor news but its willingness to officially counter-propagandize its own people. In addition, Silicon Valley social networks have expressed a willingness to "curate" our internet/ social media "truthiness" for us, which could leave all of us with a serious information deficit. (More about that later)
This isn't a right-left thing, or a Hillary-Trump thing, it's about the First Amendment, critical thinking, and the ability to parse truth from propaganda which is coming at us from all sides.
THE US GOVERNMENT SEEKS MORE MONEY AND INTERNAL EFFICIENCIES FOR PROPAGANDA
Quote:The world's? Why is our heart bleeding about "the world"?
Senate Quietly Passes The "Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act"
While we wait to see if and when the Senate will pass (and president will sign) Bill "H.R. 6393, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017", which was passed by the House at the end of November with an overwhelming majority and which seeks to crack down on websites suspected of conducting Russian propaganda and calling for the US government to "counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence … carried out in coordination with, or at the behest of, political leaders or the security services of the Russian Federation and the role of the Russian Federation has been hidden or not acknowledged publicly,” another, perhaps even more dangerous and limiting to civil rights and freedom of speech bill passed on December 8.
Recall that as we reported in early June, "a bill to implement the U.S.’ very own de facto Ministry of Truth has been quietly introduced in Congress.
As with any legislation attempting to dodge the public spotlight the Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016 marks a further curtailment of press freedom and another avenue to stultify avenues of accurate information. Introduced by Congressmen Adam Kinzinger and Ted Lieu, H.R. 5181 seeks a “whole-government approach without the bureaucratic restrictions” to counter “foreign disinformation and manipulation,” which they believe threaten the world’s
Quote:With more propaganda and disinformation?
“security and stability.”
Also called the Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692), when introduced in March by Sen. Rob Portman, the legislation represents a dramatic return to Cold War-era government propaganda battles.
“These countries spend vast sums of money on advanced broadcast and digital media capabilities, targeted campaigns, funding of foreign political movements, and other efforts to influence key audiences and populations,” Portman explained, adding that while the U.S. spends a relatively small amount on its Voice of America, the Kremlin provides enormous funding for its news organization, RT.
“Surprisingly,” Portman continued, “there is currently no single U.S. governmental agency or department charged with the national level development, integration and synchronization of whole-of-government strategies to counter foreign propaganda and disinformation.”
Quote:About that BBG ...
Long before the "fake news" meme became a daily topic of extensive conversation on which mainstream fake news portals as CNN and WaPo, H.R. 5181 would task the Secretary of State with coordinating the Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to “establish a Center for Information Analysis and Response,” which will pinpoint sources of disinformation, analyze data, and — in true dystopic manner — ‘develop and disseminate’ “fact-based narratives” to counter effrontery propaganda.
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Of all the Fake News I've been hearing about, the reality of all the Fake News from the MSM seemed to have been obfuscated. NBC faking a truck explosion as part of it's "exposure" story, Dan Blather's Fake News about the President, the nonstop fake news form CNN, PMSNBCLSD, and other Libtard websites, yet people just absorb it all as if it is real, with no discernment or attempt to filter out the hogwash.
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More fake news:
A "secret" CIA report which alleges that Russia influenced our elections, from oney of my favorite fake news sources:
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Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House
The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-re
view-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.582fcdd48d5f
However,
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FBI disagrees with CIA on Russian influence in the presidential election
The FBI did not corroborate the CIA’s claim that Russia had a hand in the election of President-elect Donald Trump in a meeting with lawmakers last week.
A senior FBI counterintelligence official met with Republican and Democrat members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in order to give the bureau’s view of a recent CIA report. The official did not concur with the CIA, frustrating Democrats. ... The different conclusions reached by the two intelligence agencies is a reflection of their different institutional styles. CIA officials often use past behavior and analysis based on gathered intelligence to advise leaders, whereas the FBI comes from a more legalistic background which relies on hard evidence to make a case.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12/12/fbi-disagrees-cia-russian-influ
ence-presidential-election-422763
Because who needs evidence when simple accusation will do?
I see a fight shaping up between the DIA and FBI on the one hand, and the CIA on the other.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
FBI disagrees with CIA on Russian influence in the presidential election
The FBI did not corroborate the CIA’s claim that Russia had a hand in the election of President-elect Donald Trump in a meeting with lawmakers last week.
A senior FBI counterintelligence official met with Republican and Democrat members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in order to give the bureau’s view of a recent CIA report. The official did not concur with the CIA, frustrating Democrats. ... The different conclusions reached by the two intelligence agencies is a reflection of their different institutional styles. CIA officials often use past behavior and analysis based on gathered intelligence to advise leaders, whereas the FBI comes from a more legalistic background which relies on hard evidence to make a case.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12/12/fbi-disagrees-cia-russian-influ
ence-presidential-election-422763
Because who needs evidence when simple accusation will do?
I see a fight shaping up between the DIA and FBI on the one hand, and the CIA on the other.
So much to unpack:
1. At least your source bizpac, is upfront about their bias:
"Conservative News You Can Trust
Based in Palm Beach County, BizPac Review is a privately held, for-profit news and opinion website covering news that matters to conservatives throughout Florida and the United States."
2. This statement: "FBI disagrees with CIA on Russian influence in the presidential election" Disagrees how? Did bizpac say what specifically they disagreed on? No - they teased they would, but fishtailed away from being specific, only citing: "The different conclusions reached by the two intelligence agencies is a reflection of their different institutional styles." Ok, they're different entities so it's normal they would have different styles. On other words - BS article.
3. The money shot from the article only fizzles: "The official did not concur with the CIA, frustrating Democrats..."
Not no concur could mean ANYTHING. Did not think 1% was correct? It's wide open - again, a BS article.
4. Gathered Intelligence versus hard evidence? They're not the same? BS.
5. It is widely known that for many many years those 2 agencies have not played well together. That's messed up, but it explains why these 2 aren't slurping each other's work.
6. "The FBI did not corroborate the CIA’s claim that Russia had a hand in the election of President-elect Donald Trump in a meeting with lawmakers last week." Define: "had a hand in the election of President-elect Donald Trump." I'd like to see what the FBI thought had happened. Do they think there were no Russian hacks of the DNC or connection to Wikileaks? I really need to see a reputable source say that with facts to back it up before I would believe it.
7. It's easy to say Russia is being used by main stream media to sell papers/ads, but that would be true either way, so that proves nothing.
8. You have to ask: isn't it logical that Russia would want to influence our election? Of course.
9. Why would the CIA break a false story now? How would that change anything? What do they have to gain?
10. SIGNYM: "Because who needs evidence when simple accusation will do?"
OR, what you do:
"Because who needs evidence when Fake News will do?"
I see our Russian troll is still at it. With her it's spin, spin, spin.
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Specifically
Quote:I often choose quotes for brevity. Seeing as some peeps have a 140-character attention span, I try not to overwhelm with detail. Here is more detail.
The FBI hasn't concluded that the RNC itself was directly breached, a law enforcement official said Sunday. FBI investigators did find that a breach of a third-party entity that held data belonging to the RNC. But the data appears to have been outdated and of little value to the hackers. The FBI also found that some conservative groups and pundits were hacked. The FBI also hasn't found conclusive evidence to show that it was done to help Trump.
"At this point, there appears to have been a combination of motivations," one US law enforcement official said. "They wanted to sow discord and undermine our systems. It's clear not even the Russians thought he would win."
Officials familiar with the briefings given to Congress say the CIA assessment wasn't as definitive as has been portrayed in news reports this weekend. The agency developed new information in recent weeks, based on intelligence sources, which prompted a new assessment of the Russian hack. That assessment "leans" toward the view that the Russians were trying to hurt Clinton and help Trump. But the CIA assessment wasn't definitive, the officials said. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/russia-hacking-conclusions-dona
ld-trump/
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"Fake news" discussions always remind me of this
Consider how life in North America is going....
social media
hatred of cops
racism
media distrust
etc.
Makes one wonder
Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been
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Oh those damn pesky Russians! It's amazing what they can force people to do.
Wikileaks publishes 1000's of e-mails - Why?
Debbie Wasserman Schultz conspires against Bernie at DNC - Why?
Donna Brazile gives debate questions in advance to Hillary campaign - Why?
Hillary deletes e-mails from her bathroom closet server after subpoena issued for them - Why?
Hillary uses vulnerable private server for classified info that a Russian 6-year old could hack - Why?
Hillary tells FBI she didn't know that the BIG "C" on govt. docs meant classified - Why?
Podesta coordinates with news media to pre-approve debate and interview questions - Why?
So how'd the Russians make all those smart and honest people do so many dumb and naughty things? >>>>> Mind Control using genetically altered Beluga Caviar!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More fake news:
A "secret" CIA report which alleges that Russia influenced our elections, from oney of my favorite fake news sources:Quote:
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House
The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-re
view-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.582fcdd48d5f
However,Quote:
FBI disagrees with CIA on Russian influence in the presidential election
The FBI did not corroborate the CIA’s claim that Russia had a hand in the election of President-elect Donald Trump in a meeting with lawmakers last week.
A senior FBI counterintelligence official met with Republican and Democrat members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in order to give the bureau’s view of a recent CIA report. The official did not concur with the CIA, frustrating Democrats. ... The different conclusions reached by the two intelligence agencies is a reflection of their different institutional styles. CIA officials often use past behavior and analysis based on gathered intelligence to advise leaders, whereas the FBI comes from a more legalistic background which relies on hard evidence to make a case.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12/12/fbi-disagrees-cia-russian-influ
ence-presidential-election-422763
Because who needs evidence when simple accusation will do?
I see a fight shaping up between the DIA and FBI on the one hand, and the CIA on the other.
Golly, another whopper from the dweebs who came up with Benghazi excuses like non-ISIS terrorists wandering around non-ISIS streets with non-ISIS RPGs in their back pockets who wish to have a non-ISIS backed riot because of some non-ISIS related obscure video that nobody within 1,000 miles of non-ISIS occupied Benghazi had seen.
Shockers that DIA and FBI didn't fall for such a sham, nor did they support such hogwash. Ever since Obama had the CIA whip up some excellent forgeries of "birth certificates" the foggy bottom tards have been off the deep end.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Oh those damn pesky Russians! It's amazing what they can force people to do.
Wikileaks publishes 1000's of e-mails - Why?
Debbie Wasserman Schultz conspires against Bernie at DNC - Why?
Donna Brazile gives debate questions in advance to Hillary campaign - Why?
Hillary deletes e-mails from her bathroom closet server after subpoena issued for them - Why?
Hillary uses vulnerable private server for classified info that a Russian 6-year old could hack - Why?
Hillary tells FBI she didn't know that the BIG "C" on govt. docs meant classified - Why?
Podesta coordinates with news media to pre-approve debate and interview questions - Why?
So how'd the Russians make all those smart and honest people do so many dumb and naughty things? >>>>> Mind Control using genetically altered Beluga Caviar!
I am wondering if this is the best post you have ever made in RWED.
Bravo.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Oh those damn pesky Russians! It's amazing what they can force people to do.
Wikileaks publishes 1000's of e-mails - Why?
Debbie Wasserman Schultz conspires against Bernie at DNC - Why?
Donna Brazile gives debate questions in advance to Hillary campaign - Why?
Hillary deletes e-mails from her bathroom closet server after subpoena issued for them - Why?
Hillary uses vulnerable private server for classified info that a Russian 6-year old could hack - Why?
Hillary tells FBI she didn't know that the BIG "C" on govt. docs meant classified - Why?
Podesta coordinates with news media to pre-approve debate and interview questions - Why?
So how'd the Russians make all those smart and honest people do so many dumb and naughty things? >>>>> Mind Control using genetically altered Beluga Caviar!
I am wondering if this is the best post you have ever made in RWED.
Bravo.
The Russians made me do it. They influenced me. I never saw it comin'!
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