Fake news, propaganda, and censorship. NOW (2022) with a Ministry of Truth!
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UPDATED: Monday, April 27, 2026 21:49
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Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails
Also check the Keith Olberman thread
( funny mark dice conspiracy parody )
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Quote:It was? Because, as I recall, NO ONE BROUGHT UP HILLARY'S HEALTH UNTIL SHE STARTED TO EXHIBIT ABNORMAL BEHAVIORS. Until then, it wasn't an issue. So, the discussion was based on FACTUAL EVENTS. Should those factual events NOT be news?
No, I'm saying the sudden orchestrated she-could-die-in-office discussion about her "health" was fake
Quote:Should people NOT DISCUSS news?
which you were a happy, willing participant in
Are you arguing for government censorship of news and discussion?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Quote:I read five, but who's counting?
Do you know how many hacking attempts/leaks on the DNC that the media has reported?
To recap the timeline, using all available information to date:
one hack begins at an unknown time "The Dukes"/ "Cozybear"
JUNE 2015 Trump enters race
hack discovered by the FBI SEP 2015
DNC alerted, but took no action
MARCH 2016 phishing changes Podesta's gmail password ACCESS IS GAINED TO EMAILS THAT GO BACK TO AT LEAST 2008
MARCH 2016 doing a quick search through wikileaks, it looks like Podesta's emails stop in late March
APRIL 2016, The DNC brings in CrowdStrike
MAY 2016 last dated wikileaks email (begins JANUARY 2015)
MAY 2016 Trump gets nomination
JUNE 14, 2016 WaPo reported (from Crowdstrike leak) that hackers had gained entrance to "the entire database of opposition research on GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump" (not the Podesta emails)
JUNE 15, 2016 Crowdstrike announces the 2015 and MARCH 2016 intrusions that it attributes to Russia
JULY 21, GUCCIFER 2.0 ALSO claims to have infiltrated the DNC server and leaks claimed donor lists, but the information isn't authenticated, ALSO blamed on Russia
JULY 22 WIKILEAKS starts releasing DNC emails ALSO blamed on Russia; Julian Assange says that this information came from a leak, not Russia, and Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, told Dailymail.com goes even further: He says that he flew to Washington, D.C. for a clandestine hand-off with one of the email sources in September. ‘Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,’ said Murray in an interview with Dailymail.com on Tuesday. ‘The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.’
1) Crowdstrike was hired by the DNC in April. The Wikileaks emails go to May. In other words, roughly one month AFTER Crowstrike starts looking into the potential hacks, emails are still being pulled off the server, and not only pulled off the server, but pulled off en masse. Either Crowdstrike doesn't know how to lock down a system, or the emails weren't accessed via a hack.
2) The email that indicated when the second intrusion occurred- the phishing email sent on MARCH 2016 - was released by Wikileaks. Now, if someone is releasing hacked information, don't you think that the first thing they would delete is the evidence of their own hack? Especially since they know when it occurred and the content, it's not like it would be a blind search through 40,000 emails. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
3) Every hack and every leak is automatically blamed on Russia, whether it makes sense or not. Guccifer 2.0 is probably the least credible, since the hacked information was supposedly worthless. Wikileaks in the next least-credible, since the timing of the accessed emails includes the time that Crowdstrike was already investigating the DNC intrusions and their release also includes a self-incriminating email that could have easily been stripped out. But even the other hacks ... which Crowdstrike founder Dmitri Alperovitch described as “incredibly sophisticated groups” which “covered their tracks well”, left easy-to-find fingerprints all over their communications?
4) The answer to "Was it a hack, or was it a leak?" is most likely BOTH. It seems to me that the hacks are just information-gathering. In fact, Crowdstrike claims that the DNC server was hacked twice, by two different entities. The hacked information is probably still residing comfortably somewhere on several servers, but the leaked information is splattered all over the internet. It's not surprising that the DNC server was the subject of much interest, but the occurrence of the hacks, which Crowdstrike and the WH blame on Russia, makes if far too easy to conflate the events and blame Russia for everything. This may be why the FBI and the ODNI are at odds with the CIA ... there may have be
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Originally posted by G:
Are you saying it's ok to visit forums and social media outlets and post false assumptions or erroneous conclusions based only on partial or zero knowledge or hearsay as if it were factual?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Are you arguing for government censorship of news and discussion?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Quote:Are you arguing for government censorship of news and discussion?
Originally posted by G:
Are you saying it's ok to visit forums and social media outlets and post false assumptions or erroneous conclusions based only on partial or zero knowledge or hearsay as if it were factual?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Quote:Is that a question?
Is that a question?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:Are you arguing for government censorship of news and discussion?
Originally posted by G:
Are you saying it's ok to visit forums and social media outlets and post false assumptions or erroneous conclusions based only on partial or zero knowledge or hearsay as if it were factual?
Is that a question?
You know these guys
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Quote:MORE AT
Washington Post Admits Its 'Russians Hacked A US Utility' Story Was 'Fake News'
Jan 3, 2017 10:54 AM
Over the weekend we noted that the Washington Post was caught spreading "fake news" about an alleged attempt by "Russian hackers" to take over a Vermont Utility (see "Washington Post Caught Spreading More Fake News About 'Russian Hackers'"). Within hours of reporting that the "Russian hackers" had gained access to the electrical grid, the Burlington Electric Department in Vermont had to issue a statement confirming that the provocative Wapo story simply wasn't true and that a laptop found to be infected with malware was never actually connected to the grid. An embarrassed Wapo was subsequently forced to change it's sensationalized headline and publish a retraction.
Now, as they often do, it appears this Wapo "fake news" rabbit holes gets even deeper. Not only are "federal officials" now confirming that "Russian hackers" never targeted the Vermont electrical grid, but the whole mishap was derived from an employee's attempt to check his Yahoo email account which, as Wapo reports, resulted in his computer connecting to a "suspicious IP address" that is "found elsewhere in the country suggesting the company wasn't being targeted by Russians."
The Post now reports that the Vermont utility hack was just an employee connecting to a flagged IP address... https://t.co/fapgFHt9aQ pic.twitter.com/zIGp0NEXnl
— Eric Geller (@ericgeller) January 3, 2017
Moreover, not only was the malware not linked to a specific attempt of "Russian hackers" to penetrate the U.S. electrical grid, the software in question isn't even linked to the "Grizzly Steppe" group that the Obama administration says is behind the DNC and John Podesta email hacks. Of course, this is a direct contradiction to the opening paragraph of Wapo's original story which directly connected the Vermont "hack" back to "Grizzly Steppe"...apparently with no evidence whatsoever.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-03/washington-post-admits-its-ru
ssians-hacked-us-utility-story-was-fake-news
In the interest of fairness I'll be posting some rightwing fake news. That way, everybody can hate me!
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People have gone to alt-news, twitter, blogs which strangely enough might be even more fake?
Or is CNN, BBC etc the fake news?
http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/12/mainstream-media-demise-guarant
eed-after-decades-of-delivering-fake-news/
Mainstream Media Demise Guaranteed After Decades Of Delivering Fake News
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
People have gone to alt-news, twitter, blogs which strangely enough might be even more fake?
Or is CNN, BBC etc the fake news?
It is no surprise to some of us here that you can not tell what is fake. Why is that? Well, it's due to your opinions and what you post. Nothing but garbage.
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