The Hursti hack

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, November 28, 2016 04:29
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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:05 PM

How to "hack the vote" (count)

Very similar to the original demonstrations in Black Box Voting. Nothing has changed since 2003.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:43 PM

I brought that up to explain this

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Scientists Find "Persuasive Evidence" Of Vote Hacking, Demand Clinton Recount In 3 States

The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/scientists-find-persuasive-ev
idence-vote-hacking-demand-clinton-recount-3-states

This is very similar to the kind of data which indicated that Bernie Sanders had been robbed of the nomination because

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They [Axel Geijsel Tilburg University and Rodolfo Cortes Barragan Stanford] found that States with a paper trail yielded higher support for Sanders (51%) than Clinton (49%). States without a paper trail yielded higher support for Clinton (64%) than Sanders (35%)

http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/06/20/45/

While the Clinton campaign - and Clinton supporters- were quick to dismiss the results of the primary study - which indicated that the machines had been hacked in Hillary's favor - they appear to be eager to hop on the bandwagon for exactly the same kind of evidence which shows that the election itself, in some places, may have been hacked against her.

Very much a replay of FL 2000 and the Presidential election of 2004. (see Black Box Voting) Really, the only way to stop this madness is hand-counted paper ballots.

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:51 AM

Sad that Joss is leading the charge for this.

*sigh*

No evidence, but the seriousness of the claim ...

TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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RIVERLOVE

Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:24 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sad that Joss is leading the charge for this.

Custer led a charge too!

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TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!

Mother always said you were greedy.
She meant it as a compliment!

1KIKI

Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:05 AM

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Really, the only way to stop this madness is hand-counted paper ballots.

OR also have 'receipt'-type duplicate paper printouts - one to be rolled up in the machine and one to be spit out to the voter.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:42 PM

KIKI
I can't imagine a modern receipt-type machine that itself can't be backed. As long as there is a scrap of software and a CPU in there somewhere, it can be hacked.

BRENDA
Yes, I heard about your Canadian hand-counted vote many years ago. Canada is my inspiration on that; glad to hear that you STILL hand-count the vote!

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SECOND

Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KIKI
I can't imagine a modern receipt-type machine that itself can't be backed. As long as there is a scrap of software and a CPU in there somewhere, it can be hacked.

BRENDA
Yes, I heard about your Canadian hand-counted vote many years ago. Canada is my inspiration on that; glad to hear that you STILL hand-count the vote!

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

In the most primitive places on Earth, millions of alternative paper ballots are filled out months ahead of the election and stored under guard until the officials need them. On election day those alternative paper ballots are counted by hand while the real ballots are being burned by the officials. That is how an election can still be hacked when there are no electronic voting machines involved to be hacked.

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1KIKI

Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:25 PM

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KIKI
I can't imagine a modern receipt-type machine that itself can't be backed. As long as there is a scrap of software and a CPU in there somewhere, it can be hacked.

It only works if the receipts and stored records are printed at the same time using impact printers and good old-fashioned carbon ribbon (which doesn't fade over time). Also, people have to check their receipts AT THE TIME to make sure the print-out is accurate. That would ensure that the hard copy receipts and stored records are both accurate reflections of the vote.

While the electronic record or the counting could be hacked, there would still be permanent hard-copy records for review, or even recount.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SIGNYM

Friday, November 25, 2016 7:48 PM

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I can't imagine a modern receipt-type machine that itself can't be backed. As long as there is a scrap of software and a CPU in there somewhere, it can be hacked.- SIGNY

It only works if the receipts and stored records are printed at the same time using impact printers and good old-fashioned carbon ribbon (which doesn't fade over time). Also, people have to check their receipts AT THE TIME to make sure the print-out is accurate. That would ensure that the hard copy receipts and stored records are both accurate reflections of the vote.- KIKI

That would work.

There is a HOWEVER to the story: in FLA, during the recount, investigative citizens founds rolls and rolls of audit tape in the trash outside of the location where they counted votes. When they tried to access the tapes, which were CLEARLY in the trash, the vote officials prevented access by calling the sheriffs. This went all the way to court ... I don't recall at what level ... but by then the tapes had been [illegally] destroyed (destruction of evidence, but the vote officials and judge were buddies so it was all OK)

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SIGNYM

Friday, November 25, 2016 7:49 PM

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In the most primitive places on Earth, millions of alternative paper ballots are filled out months ahead of the election and stored under guard until the officials need them. On election day those alternative paper ballots are counted by hand while the real ballots are being burned by the officials. That is how an election can still be hacked when there are no electronic voting machines involved to be hacked. -SECOND

I guess YOU prefer them to be hacked electronically, which produces no evidence, no smoke, and no ashes, has no carbon footprint and is so much cleaner!

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SIGNYM

Friday, November 25, 2016 7:52 PM

In the meantime

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Jill Stein Raises Enough Money To Force Wisconsin Recount - Michigan & Pennsylvania Up Next

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-24/jill-stein-raises-enough-mone
y-force-wisconsin-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-next

Dear god, make the madness stop.

PAPER BALLOTS NOW!!!!

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SIGNYM

Sunday, November 27, 2016 9:47 PM

Jill Stein just crossed herself off my list of prospective candidates. Although she's claiming that the recount is all about "fairness", in fact, she is only requesting a recount of the states where Trump won, not of the states where Hillary won- by an even smaller margin than Trump's.

Jill must be confused about why she's doing what she's doing. Or maybe she's just getting a lot of butt-hurt liberals to pay off her campaign debts. Or maybe she's getting money from Soros and the globalist gang. Stein has NEVER shown an interest in vote-count hacking before this election, nor has the Green Party. Where was she in 2000? 2004? 2010?

As far as I'm concerned, her position has swung from "principled" to "opportunistic". That's an ETHICS FAIL, Jill.

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Even Obama Slams Stein's Recounts: The Results "Accurately Reflect The Will Of The American People"

OBAMA
Jill Stein's credibility seems to be sinking fast as both the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign have released statements this morning indicating they've failed to uncover a single shred of election hacking evidence. The Obama administration confirmed their confidence in the election results via comments made to the New York Times saying that the election was "free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective" and that votes "accurately reflect the will of the American people."

The Obama administration said on Friday that despite Russian attempts to undermine the presidential election, it has concluded that the results “accurately reflect the will of the American people.” ... In its statement, the administration said, “The Kremlin probably expected that publicity surrounding the disclosures that followed the Russian government-directed compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations, would raise questions about the integrity of the election process that could have undermined the legitimacy of the president-elect.” ... “Nevertheless, we stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people,” it added.

The recount efforts have generated pushback by experts who said it would be enormously difficult to hack voting machines on a large scale. The administration, in its statement, confirmed reports from the Department of Homeland Security and intelligence officials that they did not see “any increased level of malicious cyberactivity aimed at disrupting our electoral process on Election Day.”

HILLARY
The statement from the White House was followed by a statement from Hillary's general counsel, Marc Elias, who confirmed that they too "had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology."

Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides. If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well. We do so fully aware that the number of votes separating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the closest of these states—Michigan—well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount.

Stein's claim of possible hacking is based on the following

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In August 2016, it was widely reported that foreign operators breached voter registration databases in at least two states and stole hundreds of thousands of voter records.... Specifically, there was a significant increase in the number of absentee voters as compared to the last general election. This significant increase could be attributed to a breach of the state's electronic voter database.

THA

THGRRI

Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I brought that up to explain this

Quote:
Scientists Find "Persuasive Evidence" Of Vote Hacking, Demand Clinton Recount In 3 States

The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/scientists-find-persuasive-ev
idence-vote-hacking-demand-clinton-recount-3-states

This is very similar to the kind of data which indicated that Bernie Sanders had been robbed of the nomination because

Quote:
They [Axel Geijsel Tilburg University and Rodolfo Cortes Barragan Stanford] found that States with a paper trail yielded higher support for Sanders (51%) than Clinton (49%). States without a paper trail yielded higher support for Clinton (64%) than Sanders (35%)
http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/06/20/45/

While the Clinton campaign - and Clinton supporters- were quick to dismiss the results of the primary study - which indicated that the machines had been hacked in Hillary's favor - they appear to be eager to hop on the bandwagon for exactly the same kind of evidence which shows that the election itself, in some places, may have been hacked against her.

Very much a replay of FL 2000 and the Presidential election of 2004. (see Black Box Voting) Really, the only way to stop this madness is hand-counted paper ballots.

You can always move to Russia. Opps, already there aren't ya.

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1KIKI

Monday, November 28, 2016 1:14 AM

Assuming the recount itself is fair, I'm curious about the results. It's like a review audit.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SIGNYM

Monday, November 28, 2016 1:32 AM

Allegations of non-auditable vote tallies being different from auditable vote tallies for Wisconsin have been withdrawn.

Apparently, the only flaw that experts can find in the WISCONSIN vote tally was the higher number of absentee ballots on the VOTER ROLLS.

Unless the recount includes an investigation into the validity of every single absentee ballot ... and, how can you investigate THAT? It's not like the ballots have names attached to them! ... I can't imagine how a "recount" can provide any additional insight.

But fine, let them recount.

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SIGNYM

Monday, November 28, 2016 2:18 AM

So I was very curious as to HOW votes are cast in Wisconsin. Here is a list of the various voting machines in use:

http://elections.wi.gov/elections-voting/voting-equipment/voting-equip
ment-use

There are five main types voting machines in use (with one or two oddballs here and there):
Dominion Sequoia/ Command Central Edge
Dominion ImageCast Evolution
ES&S Automark
ES&S Express Vote
ES&S iVotronic

These machines either print a ballot for you, OR, if they are touchscreen, they print your choices on an auditable roll of paper for you to view before you leave the voting booth. As far as I can tell, there are NO "unauditable" votes in Wisconsin, which voids the original complaint.

The original complaint - which I think I debunked with 10 minutes on the internet - fell somewhere between "grasping at straws" and "throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks".

How these machines work:

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SIGNYM

Monday, November 28, 2016 3:51 AM

In addition to Wisconsin having a fully-auditable voting system, Michigan uses paper ballots only.

So, again, the original "irregularities" supposedly detected by "experts" were just so much shit thrown against the wall.

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1KIKI

Monday, November 28, 2016 4:29 AM

Very cool!

Thanks.

I was curious because I wonder what a typical margin of error (CV) might be. Surely these don't tally exactly the same down to the very last vote. Also, it's still good to review. The vote might have an auditable record, but the count might not. If the recounts indicate everything is above board then we can be sure that those states are solid.

As to WHY Stein would look at those states and only those states - and not other states where Clinton won by an even narrower margin - I have no clue. No rational reason of fairness comes to mind, so all I can surmise are nefarious reasons.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?