Hillary v Trump Debate #2
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Trump didn't crash and burn like he did in the first debate, so that is a victory of sorts. But on substance he almost literally said nothing. Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.
No ordinary debate performance was likely to help Trump at this point, so why not shoot the moon? But it didn't work. According to CNN, debate watchers thought Hillary Clinton won the debate, 57-34 percent. CNN's focus group was something like 20-1 in favor of Clinton.
But! Trump did better than expected. He didn't spontaneously combust on stage.- SECOND
I'm watching the replay right now. Yep, he's not said anything of any substance, as usual. He's not said anything new, or on point, or correct politically speaking (not politically correct).
And Hillary was evasive, but at least detailed in her responses to the questions raised.
Evasive in terms of the e-mail issue, but knowledgeable and detailed in most of the other issues (yes, she did vote to close the tax loop hole that Donald took advantage of). Nothing new, more of the same, dredging up old crap and not much else.
Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening. = SGG
Not true. Hillary did; and she started this. In the first debate, I was astounded by how many personal attacks she launched on Trump.
And most of them were speculative and without merit ... JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE DO ON THIS BOARD. The best example I can think of (first debate) went like this...
We saw his tax return from 1995...
And he had a loss that could (i.e might) mean he wouldn't pay taxes for almost 20 years...
Trump didn't pay taxes for 20 years...
He didn't pay taxes ....
He doesn't support our troops ....
And Trump, probably on advice of his campaign manager, didn't hit back. So now Hillary got a taste of her own medicine, in front of a wide audience. Boo hoo hoo for Hillary. She should realize that if she hits some people, they'll hit back. But her hubris has been built of by decades of her and Bill's misdeeds being covered up. Not feeling sorry for her. = SIGNY
Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-electi
on-2016/
Trump vowed to prosecute his opponent should he be elected president. And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-electi
on-2016/
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SECOND, your link says
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And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
Yanno SECOND, I listened to the debate, and that's not what Trump said. Leave it to a liberal to lie. What Trump actually pointed to, as his big offset, is DEPRECIATION.
And, as is so true, he also said that there are MANY LOOPHOLES - not just carried interest - which Hillary and politicians like Hillary will never close, because it will offend their wealthy donors. I've mentioned these MANY LOOPHOLES before
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Now, as far as substance is concerned, Trump said two things that were important.
The first is that he disagreed with Pence's stance on Russia and Syria. Trump said that the only forces fighting ISIL were Syria and Russia, and that we should cooperate with Russia and GET ISIL FIRST.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war? Trump is not a war candidate, and that is my #1 reason for voting for Trump.
The other very specific answer that Trump gave, which I disagreed with, was his commitment to appointing someone like Scalia to the SCOTUS. Well, fortunately, while there are so many rightwing judges you could throw a stick and hit one, there are very few judges as lunatic as Scalia, so the chances of getting someone just like him are pretty small. Still, whoever Trump chooses I'd probably disagree with. OTOH, that's not why I'd vote for Trump, because my very top priority is avoiding WWIII, which would really be "the war to end all wars".
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Quote:Trump talks too much. The only words he ought to say to the public are, "Here are my signed and filed tax returns. See my greatness on display."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, your link saysQuote:
And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
Yanno SECOND, I listened to the debate, and that's not what Trump said. Leave it to a liberal to lie. What Trump actually pointed to, as his big offset, is DEPRECIATION.
And, as is so true, he also said that there are MANY LOOPHOLES - not just carried interest - which Hillary and politicians like Hillary will never close, because it will offend their wealthy donors. I've mentioned these MANY LOOPHOLES before, including deductions, depreciations, subsidies, expenses, carried losses etc. so it's not like they should be news to anybody.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/d
onald-trump-has-no-fiduciary-responsibility-his-p/
Tax guru David Cay Johnston says he thinks he knows what Donald Trump's $916 million operating loss in 1995 was all about.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/heres-theory-2-how-donald-trump
-got-916-million-tax-free-income
The story starts when Trump's casino empire crashed in the early 90s, producing multiple business bankruptcies. And because Trump had personally guaranteed about a billion dollars in loans, it nearly produced a personal bankruptcy too. Here's Johnston's theory of what happened next:
Trump threatened to tie his bankers in legal knots for years unless they forgave the loans that had been largely responsible for his operating losses in the first place. Eventually, he badgered them into agreeing.
But a forgiven loan is income, so this produced a billion dollars in taxable income for Trump that would have offset his $916 million in operating losses. What to do?
In 1995, Congress passed a law that allowed real estate professionals to trade the taxes on forgiven debt for future real-estate tax deductions.
This gave someone at Trump HQ a bright idea: why not use this trade to dump all the tax obligations onto Trump's casino properties? Normally would just be trading one tax obligation for another, so to get around that they advised Trump to take all his casino holdings and put them into a shiny new public company.
Here's the genius part. By trading away the taxes on his forgiven debt, Trump kept his $916 million operating loss. It was the new public company that got saddled with property that owed a lot more in taxes than it normally would.
Thousands of people invested in the company, and lost everything when Trump drove it into the ground. But as CEO, Trump paid himself $82 million along the way.
Isn't that great? Trump got $916 million in tax free income over the next decade. He shoveled a bunch of problem properties into a public company. He paid himself $82 million to run the company. And everyone who bought the stock took a bath.
In the end, there was one big winner: Trump. And three big losers: Trump's bankers, the American taxpayers, and all the investors in Trump's crappy public company
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hey, yanno, I used to do our personal income taxes before I decided it was too much pain-in-the-ass. That meant taking capital losses, and paying household-employer Federal and State taxes, and even submitting for energy-saving rebates and doing deductions and all that. And, if we rent out our house (assuming that we move after retirement) that will also mean being able to deduct expenses and depreciation.
There's nothing unusual about that, but the tax code, even for individuals, is a fucking nightmare. And for businesses, it's like trying to trace a really long noodle in a ton of spaghetti noodles. Which works to the advantage of large businesses, who have the lawyers and the lobbyists to pass and take advantage of specially-written laws.
If I were king of the forest, I'd put people and businesses on the same footing, and exempt ANY entity making less than $250,000 from income taxes altogther. And then eliminate all of those loopholes. I'd leave taxes paid to other entities (State and local) and mortgage deductions alone, but after than, it would all be fair game: no depreciation, no business expense, no carried interest, no long-term or short-term capital gains, no nothing. In return, I'd drop the rate significantly, altho I'd still leave it progressive.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Quote:"The Trump Organization cannot be placed into a blind trust, an arrangement used by many politicians to prevent them from knowing their financial interests; the Trump family is already aware of who their overseas partners are and could easily learn about any new ones....Any government wanting to seek future influence with President Trump could do so by arranging for a partnership with the Trump Organization, feeding money directly to the family or simply stashing it away inside the company for their use once Trump is out of the White House."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, yanno . . .
www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-nation
al-security-498081.html
"I would put it in a blind trust. Well, I don't know if it's a blind trust if Ivanka, Don and Eric run it. But — is that a blind trust? I don't know. But I would probably have my children run it with my executives. And I wouldn't ever be involved, because I wouldn't care about anything but our country."
http://time.com/4182096/republican-debate-charleston-transcript-full-t
ext/
That's a non-starter: Turning his business interests over to his employees and children is the opposite of maintaining the distance that a blind trust would provide. The question grows even trickier when we consider the sketchy nature of many of Trump's partners abroad.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Or whatever. Now you're reaching for "what ifs" and "maybes", just like you've reached for cartoons and unflattering pictures and outright lies about Trump before. What a joke.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Last night Donald Trump told all of Americas' women, you are guilty and responsible for the sins of your husband.
Lets see how that flies.
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Trump iz like a naughty 7 yir old boy.
He barely apolojized for hiz 2005 comments during the debate. He pre-negated any contrition credibility by stajing a foto-op stunt featuring Bill Clintonz victimz befor the debate - essentially a 'but Billy did it to' claim, then brot them to the debate, then saying 'Billy did it worse' in the debate.
Hiz respons to Anderson'z Q about it wuz mostly an attempt to distract. He tossed in everything he coud about unrelated junk befor they shut him up.
It woud be a good sene in a seazon 1 episode uv Leave It to Beaver (exept for the subject matter), but by seazon 2, The Beav woud hav learned that lesson alredy, so the riterz woudnt expect the audiens to believ it.
The Donald iz 70, not 7.
Wut nobody seemz to be tokking about iz the clear thret he made. "If I get elected, you're going to jail". Az if Hillary'z horribly evil email crime iz the biggest priority uv the United States and the new Prezident needz to take care uv it.
He iz a vindictiv bully.
Its rediculous that he iz the nominee uv any political party. That it's 1 uv the 2 partyz that haz a virtual duopoly here iz an embarrassment to the country, even in this embarrassingly stupid excuse for a sivilization.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Last night Donald Trump told all of Americas' women, you are guilty and responsible for the sins of your husband.
Lets see how that flies.
https://medium.com/@PolitiFact/politifacts-annotated-transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate-b54f45edeb99#.33tjvn2h8
Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Originally posted by JO753:
Trump iz like a naughty 7 yir old boy.
He barely apolojized for hiz 2005 comments during the debate.
https://medium.com/@PolitiFact/politifacts-annotated-transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate-b54f45edeb99#.33tjvn2h8
I’m not proud of it. I apologize to my family. I apologize to the American people.
Certainly I’m not proud of it.
I am absolutely?—?I apologize for those words.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Trump once again stated he was against the Iraq war from the beginning: "If I were president at that time, [Capt. Khan] would be alive today, because unlike her, who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, I would not have had our people in Iraq." In fact, there is no evidence of Trump publicly opposing the Iraq war until Aug. 2004 -- when the war had been going on for a year and a half.
Trump once again stated that Hillary Clinton and her 2008 campaign started the birther conspiracy against President Obama: "Well, you owe the president an apology, because as you know very well, your campaign, Sidney Blumenthal -- he's another real winner that you have -- and he's the one that got this started." In fact, while Clinton supporters kicked around that conspiracy in 2008, there is no record of her campaign doing that.
Trump stated that Hillary Clinton supports a single-payer health-care plan: "But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything." In fact, that was Bernie Sanders who supports a single-payer plan.
Trump said he didn't tell people to check out a "sex tape" when it comes to Alicia Machado: "No, there wasn't check out a sex tape. It was just take a look at the person that she built up to be this wonderful Girl Scout who was no Girl Scout." In fact, here's what he tweeted in the wee hours of Sept. 30: "Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?"
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They don't get any more conservative than Bill Kristal.
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enjoy video with your coffee...
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Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Last night Donald Trump told all of Americas' women, you are guilty and responsible for the sins of your husband.
Lets see how that flies.
1kiki
Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously.
THG
First of all what others claim Hillary did regarding this matter has been exaggerated. Secondly, the fact that you don't know the difference between a predator of women, and a women who is unfortunate enough to be married to someone who can't keep it in his pants is sad. I would also remind you the country backed Bill as all this was happening.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war? Trump is not a war candidate, and that is my #1 reason for voting for Trump.
I keep asking but you refuse to answer. Who are you afraid Hillary is going to start a war with?
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"Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously."
Did Trump say this or not?
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I would also remind you the country backed Bill as all this was happening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegatio
ns
Paula Jones
According to Paula Jones' account, on May 8, 1991, she was escorted to Clinton's hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas[15] where he propositioned and exposed himself to her. She claimed she kept quiet about the incident until 1994, when a David Brock story in the American Spectator magazine printed an account. In any case, in 1994, Jones filed a federal lawsuit against Clinton, alleging sexual harassment. In the discovery stage of the suit, Jones's lawyers had the opportunity to question Clinton under oath about his sexual history; in the course of this testimony, Clinton denied having had a sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky, a denial that (once his affair with Lewinsky was exposed) would lead to his impeachment for perjury and obstruction of justice.[16]
In April 1998, the case was dismissed by Republican Judge Susan Webber Wright as lacking legal merit.[17] But Jones appealed Webber Wright's ruling, and her suit gained traction following Clinton's admission to having an affair with Monica Lewinsky in August 1998.[18]
On appeal, in the midst of his trial for impeachment based on his testimony in the Jones case, Clinton was faced with the prospect of having to go under oath again and testify more about his sexual history. Instead, Clinton agreed to an out-of-court settlement, paying Jones and her lawyers $850,000 to drop the suit.[19] Clinton's lawyer said that the President made the settlement only so he could end the lawsuit for good and move on with his life.[20]
I'd say Bill paid an awful lot of money to deep-six allegations about things you claim didn't happen.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'd say Bill paid an awful lot of money to deep-six allegations about things you claim didn't happen.
What you mean is you guess. Actually it deep sixed itself. It was a witch hunt and America did not approve. Your hateful agenda can't change the facts.
(AllPolitics, December 20) -- In the wake of the House of Representatives' approval of two articles of impeachment, Bill Clinton's approval rating has jumped 10 points to 73 percent, the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/20/impeachment.poll/
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Quote:In Sunday night's town hall debate, Donald Trump deflected questions about his taxes by claiming that Hillary Clinton's wealthy supporters had also avoided taxes by exploiting the law. He mentioned several, including Warren Buffett, by name.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno SECOND, I listened to the debate, and that's not what Trump said. Leave it to a liberal to lie. What Trump actually pointed to, as his big offset, is DEPRECIATION.
And, as is so true, he also said that there are MANY LOOPHOLES - not just carried interest - which Hillary and politicians like Hillary will never close, because it will offend their wealthy donors. I've mentioned these MANY LOOPHOLES before, including deductions, depreciations, subsidies, expenses, carried losses etc. so it's not like they should be news to anybody.
Buffett responded with a statement on Monday, saying that Trump was incorrect:
“I have paid federal income tax every year since 1944, when I was 13. (Though, being a slow starter, I owed only $7 in tax that year.) I have copies of all 72 of my returns and none uses a carryforward.
Finally, I have been audited by the IRS multiple times and am currently being audited. I have no problem in releasing my tax information while under audit. Neither would Mr. Trump – at least he would have no legal problem.”
The rest of Buffet’s response to Trump is at
www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161010005859/en/Tax-Facts-Donald-Trum
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Quote:Who cares? But you might care how Trump's mind works and how he can adroitly twist a story in case he might be caught. He'd be ready to say "That's not what I heard" and just keep moving onward with the same old lie repeated on another day. Let's pick apart one from many stories Trump told last night. It is not really a story. It's a lie. But Trump really told it well and he even brought the woman to the debate:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously."
Did Trump say this or not?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/10/fact-checking-t
he-second-clinton-trump-presidential-debate/
“One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, was raped at 12. Her client she represented got him off, and she’s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped.”
— Donald Trump at the second debate
Trump's story sounds like it will end Hillary's chances, doesn't it?
In 1975, Clinton — then Hillary Rodham — was a 27-year-old law professor running a legal aid clinic in the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. After a 41-year-old factory worker was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl, he asked the judge to replace his male court-appointed attorney with a female one. The judge went through the list of a half-dozen women practicing law in the county and picked Clinton.
In her autobiography, “Living History,” Clinton wrote, “I told [prosecutor] Mahlon [Gibson] I really don’t feel comfortable taking on such a client, but Mahlon gently reminded me that I couldn’t very well refuse the judge’s request.” Gibson has confirmed that account in interviews with Newsday and CNN, saying Clinton told him: “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?”
Ultimately, the prosecution’s case fell apart for a number of reasons, including investigators mishandling evidence of bloody underwear, so in a plea agreement the charges were reduced from first-degree rape to unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. Not until 2008 did the victim, Kathy Shelton, realize that Clinton had been the lawyer on the other side. She has since attacked Clinton for putting “me through hell,” and she appeared at a news event with Trump before the debate.
The rape case reemerged when the Washington Free Beacon in 2014 discovered unpublished audio recordings from the mid-1980s of Clinton being interviewed by Arkansas reporter Roy Reed for an article that was never published.
In the recorded interview, Clinton is heard laughing or giggling four times when discussing the case with unusual candor; the reporter is also heard laughing, and sometimes Clinton is responding to him.
Here are the four instances:
“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t rape. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)
“So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings [the judge] and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence before it was presented. (Clinton laughs lightly between “evidence” and “before.”)
“I handed it [a biography of her expert witness] to Mahlon Gibson, and I said, ‘Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice.’” (Clinton laughs, as does the reporter.)
“So [Judge] Maupin had to, you know, under law he was supposed to determine whether the plea was factually supported. Maupin asked me to leave the room while he examined my client so that he could find out if it was factually supported. I said ‘Judge I can’t leave the room I’m his lawyer!’ he said ‘I know but I don’t want to talk about this in front of you.’” (Reporter says, “Oh God, really?” And they both laugh.)
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Who cares? But you might care how Trump's mind works and how he can adroitly twist a story in case he might be caught. He'd be ready to say "That's not what I heard" and just keep moving onward with the same old lie repeated on another day. Let's pick apart one from many stories Trump told last night. It is not really a story. It's a lie. But Trump really told it well and he even brought the woman to the debate:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously."
Did Trump say this or not?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/10/fact-checking-t
he-second-clinton-trump-presidential-debate/
“One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, was raped at 12. Her client she represented got him off, and she’s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped.”
— Donald Trump at the second debate
Trump's story sounds like it will end Hillary's chances, doesn't it?
In 1975, Clinton — then Hillary Rodham — was a 27-year-old law professor running a legal aid clinic in the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. After a 41-year-old factory worker was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl, he asked the judge to replace his male court-appointed attorney with a female one. The judge went through the list of a half-dozen women practicing law in the county and picked Clinton.
In her autobiography, “Living History,” Clinton wrote, “I told [prosecutor] Mahlon [Gibson] I really don’t feel comfortable taking on such a client, but Mahlon gently reminded me that I couldn’t very well refuse the judge’s request.” Gibson has confirmed that account in interviews with Newsday and CNN, saying Clinton told him: “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?”
Ultimately, the prosecution’s case fell apart for a number of reasons, including investigators mishandling evidence of bloody underwear, so in a plea agreement the charges were reduced from first-degree rape to unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. Not until 2008 did the victim, Kathy Shelton, realize that Clinton had been the lawyer on the other side. She has since attacked Clinton for putting “me through hell,” and she appeared at a news event with Trump before the debate.
The rape case reemerged when the Washington Free Beacon in 2014 discovered unpublished audio recordings from the mid-1980s of Clinton being interviewed by Arkansas reporter Roy Reed for an article that was never published.
In the recorded interview, Clinton is heard laughing or giggling four times when discussing the case with unusual candor; the reporter is also heard laughing, and sometimes Clinton is responding to him.
Here are the four instances:
“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t rape. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)
“So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings [the judge] and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence before it was presented. (Clinton laughs lightly between “evidence” and “before.”)
“I handed it [a biography of her expert witness] to Mahlon Gibson, and I said, ‘Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice.’” (Clinton laughs, as does the reporter.)
“So [Judge] Maupin had to, you know, under law he was supposed to determine whether the plea was factually supported. Maupin asked me to leave the room while he examined my client so that he could find out if it was factually supported. I said ‘Judge I can’t leave the room I’m his lawyer!’ he said ‘I know but I don’t want to talk about this in front of you.’” (Reporter says, “Oh God, really?” And they botNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I also was disappointed that she didn’t point out that Trump’s campaign is funded very substantially by an oil magnate and two finance-industry billionaires—the Mercers and the Ricketts.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I would rather have someone other than Clinton to vote for but. . .
And I was surprised and disappointed that she didn’t make clear that Trump’s proposed fiscal policies would add—what?—$10 trillion to the national debt in the space of about 10 minutes, or something.
http://angrybearblog.com/2016/10/my-near-out-of-body-experience-while-
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THHGRI, all your YouTubez are blocked az 'private'.
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THHGRI, all your YouTubez are blocked az 'private'.
I enjoyed yours and fixed mine. Thanks for the heads up. If there is a problem please let me know.
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Youre welcome.
Bad nyooz, they are still blocked. I suspect you hav a subscription that allowz you to view them.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously."
Did Trump say this or not?
Originally posted by second:
Who cares?
Anyone who cares that things like facts and evidence are used in arguments should.
Do you care?
So, speaking of facts, it's a fact I scroll past your carefully selected hate-Trump propaganda.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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About Trumps claim that Bill wuz the most abusive prez in history - He apparently never herd uv a guy name John F Kennedy.
https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/cheating-and-infidelity/politician
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Hey Second, thanks for posting the audio transcript of Hillary's conversation with the news reporter that was recently released. That was very helpful to me in understanding the series of events.
Now I have a better understanding.
SGG
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Quote:I think this explains Trump:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Second, thanks for posting the audio transcript of Hillary's conversation with the news reporter that was recently released. That was very helpful to me in understanding the series of events.
Now I have a better understanding.
SGG
Question from American Conservative: What did watching Donald Trump’s speech last night make you think about this fall campaign, and the future of the country?
www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-us-politics-poor-whites/
Answer from J.D. Vance: Well, I think the speech itself was a perfect microcosm of why I love and am terrified of Donald Trump. On the one hand, he criticized the elites and actually acknowledge the hurt of so many working class voters. After so many years of Republican politicians refusing to even talk about factory closures, Trump’s message is an oasis in the desert. But of course he spent way too much time appealing to people’s fears, and he offered zero substance for how to improve their lives. It was Trump at his best and worst.
My biggest fear with Trump is that, because of the failures of the Republican and Democratic elites, the bar for the white working class is too low. They’re willing to listen to Trump about rapist immigrants and banning all Muslims because other parts of his message are clearly legitimate. A lot of people think Trump is just the first to appeal to the racism and xenophobia that were already there, but I think he’s making the problem worse.
The other big problem I have with Trump is that he has dragged down our entire political conversation. It’s not just that he inflames the tribalism of the Right; it’s that he encourages the worst impulses of the Left. In the past few weeks, I’ve heard from so many of my elite friends some version of, “Trump is the racist leader all of these racist white people deserve.” These comments almost always come from white progressives who know literally zero culturally working class Americans. And I’m always left thinking: if this is the quality of thought of a Harvard Law graduate, then our society is truly doomed. In a world of Trump, we’ve abandoned the pretense of persuasion. The November election strikes me as little more than a referendum on whose tribe is bigger.
But I remain incredibly optimistic about the future. Maybe that’s the hillbilly resilience in me. Or maybe I’m just an idiot. But if writing this book, and talking with friends and strangers about its message, has taught me anything, it’s that most people are trying incredibly hard to make it, even in this more complicated and scary world. The short view of our country is that we’re doomed. The long view, inherited from my grandparents’ 1930s upbringing in coal country, is that all of us can still control some part of our fate. Even if we are doomed, there’s reason to pretend otherwise.
JD Vance wrote "How Donald Trump seduced America’s white working class" - An acute insight into the reasons these voters almost found a new messiah in a man regarded as an offensive clown by many, a man who ultimately cannot save them.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy
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And in late 2015, the party appeared ready to crown Jeb Bush, the scion of a wealthy family whose policy programme differed little from Mitt Romney’s, even as his tone did. This was the brother of a man who started two unsuccessful wars, wars whose burden was disproportionately shouldered by the white middle and working class. And though a number of putative challengers offered stylistic contrasts with the younger Bush brother, no one challenged the core premise at the heart of his candidacy: tax cuts and deregulation at home combined with an active, military-focused foreign policy abroad. Just eight years after George W Bush left office to historically low approval numbers, the party appeared primed to double down on Bush, both in policy and in genetics. And no one seeNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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So, speaking of facts, it's a fact I scroll past your carefully selected hate-Trump propaganda.
J.D. Vance should be running as the Republican candidate for President, rather than Trump. Vance could easily beat Hillary, except he is only 31. Sadly, the Constitutional lower age limit on a President is 35.
www.linkedin.com/in/jd-vance-770a9047
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Quote:Yes. Each is no longer blocked as "private". I see that "John Johnson" must have fixed that.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Can anyone here see the videos I've posted?
One says: "This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing." Somebody must be overly concerned about copyright violations and take-down notices sent by those copyright holders to youtube.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Can anyone here see the videos I've posted?
Great, thanks
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Quote:It is easy to explain:
Originally posted by G:
How any person could vote for Trump - no matter how bad Hillary is - is beyond me. How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable.
In the eight years since Obama’s election, the white working class had grown angry: at the economy that failed to deliver good jobs, at the failed prosecution of two wars, at a government bureaucracy that failed to deliver good healthcare for veterans, at policy-makers who bailed out megabanks in the 2008 financial crisis even as many Americans lost their homes. The party didn’t want another Mitt Romney and it sure as hell didn’t want Jeb Bush, just another Bush. It wanted, most of all, a man whose very existence is the opposite of everything prior nominees stood for.
This was about more than finances and the macroeconomy problem. As a culture, working-class white Americans like myself had no heroes. We loved the military but had no George S Patton figure in the modern army. I doubt my neighbors could even name a high-ranking military officer. The space program, long a source of pride, had gone the way of the dodo and with it the celebrity astronauts. We had lost any trust in the media as guardians of truth and consequently many were willing to believe all manner of conspiracies about our allegedly foreign-born president and his supposed grabs for power. The same could be said about Hillary by only changing the details of the conspiracies.
Many in the US and abroad marvel that a showy billionaire could inspire such allegiance among relatively poor voters. Yet in style and tone, Trump reminds blue-collar workers of themselves. Gone are the poll-tested and consultant-approved political lines, replaced with a backslapping swashbuckler unafraid of saying what’s on his mind. The elites of DC and NY see an offensive madman, blowing through decades of political convention with his every word. His voters, on the other hand, see a man who’s refreshingly relatable, who talks about politics and policy as if he were sitting around the dinner table.
More important is Trump’s message. Implicit in the slogan “Make America Great Again” is a belief that one’s country is not especially great right now and that’s certainly how many of Middletown’s residents felt.
The tragedy of Trump’s candidacy is that, embedded in his furious exhortations against Muslims and Mexicans and trade deals gone awry is a message that America’s white poor don’t need: that everything wrong in your life (and Trump's) is someone else’s fault.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy
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I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.
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Quote:I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.
www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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They're both war candidates as far as I can tell because the Republicans remain very xenophobic and trigger happy, and if Trump isn't (his rhetoric suggests he is), they'll push him into conflict anyway. Hillary's always been a warhawk.
Both are controlled by very ugly pasts. Clinton by Bill sexually coercing, assaulting, and raping people (including a 12 year old), Trump by sexually coercing, assaulting, and raping people (including a 13 year old). The allegations against both are very believable, as they both associated with Jeffery Epstein who was convicted for this kind of exploitation.
It still find it amazing that this election has come down to this. At this point I think it doesn't matter who gets elected anymore, it's going to be a trainwreck either way. This is not an election cycle where anything can possibly be changed - maybe Gary Johnson might grab some of the Trump supporters that are abandoning him, and he wouldn't be bad, whatever memory problems he has can be countered with some advisors, and he's stable. Jill Stein would be nice but she doesn't have a chance because she didn't grab the Bernie people.
Ultimately though because I think nothing is going to be changed about all I can do is vote based on the few policies I do agree with, even if there's no chance they'll get put into effect, and that's coming from the left-wing. So Hillary. I hope Hillary gets tried for war crimes while in office though. None of this email or Benghazi nonsense that's just scraping the barrel looking for something to pin on her, actual crimes. I hope Bill also goes to prison and has to register as a sex offender.
Here's hoping 2020 won't be such a shitshow! See you all then probably!
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.
What I said was if you considered the percentage of his vote that was based on bigotry.
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Quote:It doesn't matter if you're a racist or a bigot or life-long Republican. Voting for Trump during the Primary was stupid. Now that the choice is one or the other, voting for Trump is smart, if you're a Republican.
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.
What I said was if you considered the percentage of his vote that was based on bigotry.
When there are only two parties who have candidates with a chance to win, it is on them to provide candidates worthy of the job. After all, with great power comes great responsibility. On this front the presidential election is catastrophic failure. The lineup offered up by the Republican party was a parade of horrors. They ranged from mediocre (Bush, Kasich) to terrible (Fiorina, Perry) to beyond my most feverish nightmares (most of the rest). If Trump's campaign has given you fond memories of what could have been, I recommend you remind yourself of how truly awful the rest were.
Democrats did marginally better in that they stayed in the mediocre to terrible part of the spectrum. Bernie Sanders can raise the roof, but was never a credible alternative to Clinton. Hillary Clinton seems to operate with the philosophy that what's good is whatever is good for Hillary. A recent article in the Economist gives a good summary of how her political and personal life is tangled beyond separation. A reasonable candidate on the other side (I have a soft spot for Jon Huntsman) would have had no trouble winning against Clinton. She's not the candidate I would have chosen, but at least she'll do a decent job of it.
How did we get into this mess? It is the Founding Fathers’ Fault. This is not the only way to vote (most Americans know nothing about alternative systems where you get more than one vote) but it was the only way Washington and Jefferson knew. The Fathers decided that US elections are run according to the "first past the post" rule: each person gets to vote for one candidate per office and the candidate with the most votes, wins. It's not hard to see that this voting system tends toward having two big parties. Not only do the Libertarians and Greens not have a chance, their candidates this year are also terrible.
It is a kind of Darwinian survival of the fittest: when you can you try and draw voters away from your competitors and to your side (see: Reagan Democrats, Bill Clinton's "triangulation," Tony Blair's "third way," Hillary Clinton's tack to the left to pull in Sanders's supporters, etc.). Parties who can't or won't play this game slowly starve themselves and shrink down to the core who won't be wooed under any circumstances. The political scientists call this Duverger's Law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
And,
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.
What I said was if you considered the percentage of his vote that was based on bigotry.
It doesn't matter if you're a racist or a bigot or life-long Republican. Voting for Trump during the Primary was stupid. Now that the choice is one or the other, voting for Trump is smart, if you're a Republican.
No, voting for Trump is definitely dangerous and will be a disaster. Clinton may turn out that way but for now at least she is qualified.
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Quote:So far, so good. It doesn't describe me, except very peripherally, but it could describe a lot of people - not only the dismissed Tea Partiers but also the dismissed Occupy Movement.
How any person could vote for Trump - no matter how bad Hillary is - is beyond me. How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable. = G
It is easy to explain:
In the eight years since Obama’s election, the white working class had grown angry: at the economy that failed to deliver good jobs, at the failed prosecution of two wars, at a government bureaucracy that failed to deliver good healthcare for veterans, at policy-makers who bailed out megabanks in the 2008 financial crisis even as many Americans lost their homes. The party didn’t want another Mitt Romney and it sure as hell didn’t want Jeb Bush, just another Bush. It wanted, most of all, a man whose very existence is the opposite of everything prior nominees stood for.
Quote:Too bad that the conspiracies really occurred.
This was about more than finances and the macroeconomy problem. As a culture, working-class white Americans like myself had no heroes. We loved the military but had no George S Patton figure in the modern army. I doubt my neighbors could even name a high-ranking military officer. The space program, long a source of pride, had gone the way of the dodo and with it the celebrity astronauts. We had lost any trust in the media as guardians of truth and consequently many were willing to believe all manner of conspiracies about our allegedly foreign-born president and his supposed grabs for power. The same could be said about Hillary by only changing the details of the conspiracies.
Quote:Probably correct, but doesn't describe me.
Many in the US and abroad marvel that a showy billionaire could inspire such allegiance among relatively poor voters. Yet in style and tone, Trump reminds blue-collar workers of themselves. Gone are the poll-tested and consultant-approved political lines, replaced with a backslapping swashbuckler unafraid of saying what’s on his mind. The elites of DC and NY see an offensive madman, blowing through decades of political convention with his every word. His voters, on the other hand, see a man who’s refreshingly relatable, who talks about politics and policy as if he were sitting around the dinner table.
More important is Trump’s message. Implicit in the slogan “Make America Great Again” is a belief that one’s country is not especially great right now and that’s certainly how many of Middletown’s residents felt.
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The tragedy of Trump’s candidacy is that, embedded in his furious exhortations against Muslims and Mexicans and trade deals gone awry is a message that America’s white poor don’t need: that everything wrong in your life (and Trump's) is someone else’s fault.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy
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Okay, now here's where I part company from not only "liberals" but also the rust-belt downtrodden.
1) Importantly, I don't see myself as a "woman" first, so "How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable" doesn't apply to me. I identify myself FIRST as a human being. Anything that threatens "humans", by definition, will threaten me, despite me being "a woman". So species-wide threats take precedence over gender-specific threats.
2) Despite THUGR's and MAL4's constant lying, I am - and I see myself as - an American next, a citizen of the USA. This is my second-most important category. Threats to "America" aren't going to make exceptions for older white women. Whatever harms "America" ... missiles, detonated explosives, financial collapse ... will fall hardest on those least able to cope: the sick, disabled, cognitively or emotionally impaired, the elderly, and the poor. That
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Wow SIG, in your rant above you quote sources and lies from the far left and right. The sensible center is nowhere to be found. One source you quote is protecting Assange who is responsible for Wikipedia, and the other calls Wikipedia a terrorist organization and demands that it be banned in America. Now since none of your opinions or sources can survive in a climate of logic, I am forced to dismiss your response to my question as irrational. And if your response is irrational than the concept it is based on, that Clinton will start another war, is also irrational.
I ask a very simple question. How about you try and give a simple non-subjective answer. Who is it you are afraid Hillary Clinton will start a war with?
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Please scroll up to see my post. THUGR is just trying to bury it with idiocy.
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Please scroll up to see my post. THUGR is just trying to bury it with idiocy.
Yeah that's funny. I am replying less with quotes with you and 1kiki because of all the cut and pasted subjective bullshit you post. In this case as a way of avoiding my very simple question.
Who are you afraid Hillary will start a war with?
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Quote:Yes, President Trump would be a disaster, but not for the Republican Party. They feel the need to appoint a Scalia-clone to the Supreme Court. Trump would nominate whoever Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell think best. One thing Trump won't do is curb income tax cheating by the wealthy because he is a cheater. Ryan and McConnell don't mind. That tax cheating might be the driving force behind many problems plaguing the USA.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
No, voting for Trump is definitely dangerous and will be a disaster. Clinton may turn out that way but for now at least she is qualified.
All those projects that can't be done because there is no money? The money is being hidden. All the influence that the wealthy have in government? Bought with tax cheating money. I saw a review of five books on tax-cheating. Here is an interesting quote:
One of the reporters who worked on the Panama Papers is describing the main conclusion he drew from his months of delving into millions of leaked documents about tax evasion. “Basically, we’re the dupes in this story,” he says. “Previously, we thought that the offshore world was a shadowy, but minor, part of our economic system. What we learned from the Panama Papers is that it is the economic system.”
Luke Harding was in Oxford to talk about his work as one of four hundred–odd journalists around the world who had access to the 2.6 terabytes of information about tax havens—the so-called Panama Papers—that were revealed to the world in simultaneous publication in eighty countries this spring. “The economic system is, basically, that the rich and the powerful exited long ago from the messy business of paying tax,” Harding told an audience of academics and research students. “They don’t pay tax anymore, and they haven’t paid tax for quite a long time. We pay tax, but they don’t pay tax. The burden of taxation has moved inexorably away from multinational companies and rich people to ordinary people.”
Why did the source leak the Panama papers? In a two-thousand-word manifesto published after the publication of the main material, he or she claimed to be motivated by exposing income inequality—and the way in which the “wealth management” industry had financed crime, war, drug dealing, and fraud on a grand scale.
“I decided to expose Mossack Fonseca because I thought its founders, employees and clients should have to answer for their roles in these crimes, only some of which have come to light thus far,” he or she wrote. “It will take years, possibly decades, for the full extent of the firm’s sordid acts to become known. In the meantime, a new global debate has started, which is encouraging.”
www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/10/27/panama-the-hidden-trillions/
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
No, voting for Trump is definitely dangerous and will be a disaster. Clinton may turn out that way but for now at least she is qualified.
I understand your post SECOND and its a good one. But I am talking about a Trump presidency as being a disaster for the country. I haven't gone into what the politics of a Trump presidency would involve on a generalized republican policy level. My biggest concern has always been his temperament, lack of knowledge and even his lack of intellectual curiosity. And what that would do to our foreign policy. The man's nuts.
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Quote:The person who is famous for cut-and-pasting subjective bullshit.... and not even marking it as a quote, is SECOND.
Please scroll up to see my post. THUGR is just trying to bury it with idiocy.= SIGNY
Yeah that's funny. I am replying less with quotes with you and 1kiki because of all the cut and pasted subjective bullshit you post.
Quote:Dood, what's your problem? You posted this question ins two places.
In this case as a way of avoiding my very simple question. Who are you afraid Hillary will start a war with?
1) It should be very obvious from my post what the answer is, so apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
2) However, I specifically answered it in the other place where you posted. If you're feeling smug, you shouldn't, because you've just proved yourself a fool. Again.
In the meantime, since I've asked these questions ... oh, about two dozen times by now, and you DID promise me an answer:
WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS, and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?
You're even stupider than Trump. You questioning ANYone's intelligence is a joke.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Quote:So far, so good. It doesn't describe me, except very peripherally, but it could describe a lot of people - not only the dismissed Tea Partiers but also the dismissed Occupy Movement.
How any person could vote for Trump - no matter how bad Hillary is - is beyond me. How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable. = G
It is easy to explain:
In the eight years since Obama’s election, the white working class had grown angry: at the economy that failed to deliver good jobs, at the failed prosecution of two wars, at a government bureaucracy that failed to deliver good healthcare for veterans, at policy-makers who bailed out megabanks in the 2008 financial crisis even as many Americans lost their homes. The party didn’t want another Mitt Romney and it sure as hell didn’t want Jeb Bush, just another Bush. It wanted, most of all, a man whose very existence is the opposite of everything prior nominees stood for.
Quote:Too bad that the conspiracies really occurred.
This was about more than finances and the macroeconomy problem. As a culture, working-class white Americans like myself had no heroes. We loved the military but had no George S Patton figure in the modern army. I doubt my neighbors could even name a high-ranking military officer. The space program, long a source of pride, had gone the way of the dodo and with it the celebrity astronauts. We had lost any trust in the media as guardians of truth and consequently many were willing to believe all manner of conspiracies about our allegedly foreign-born president and his supposed grabs for power. The same could be said about Hillary by only changing the details of the conspiracies.
Quote:Probably correct, but doesn't describe me.
Many in the US and abroad marvel that a showy billionaire could inspire such allegiance among relatively poor voters. Yet in style and tone, Trump reminds blue-collar workers of themselves. Gone are the poll-tested and consultant-approved political lines, replaced with a backslapping swashbuckler unafraid of saying what’s on his mind. The elites of DC and NY see an offensive madman, blowing through decades of political convention with his every word. His voters, on the other hand, see a man who’s refreshingly relatable, who talks about politics and policy as if he were sitting around the dinner table.
More important is Trump’s message. Implicit in the slogan “Make America Great Again” is a belief that one’s country is not especially great right now and that’s certainly how many of Middletown’s residents felt.
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The tragedy of Trump’s candidacy is that, embedded in his furious exhortations against Muslims and Mexicans and trade deals gone awry is a message that America’s white poor don’t need: that everything wrong in your life (and Trump's) is someone else’s fault.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy
-donald-trump-us-white-poor-working-class
Okay, now here's where I part company from not only "liberals" but also the rust-belt downtrodden.
1) Importantly, I don't see myself as a "woman" first, so "How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable" doesn't apply to me. I identify myself FIRST as a human being. Anything that threatens "humans", by definition, will threaten me, despite me being "a woman". So species-wide threats take precedence over gender-specific threats.
2) Despite THUGR's and MAL4's constant lying, I am - and I see myself as - an American next, a citizen of the USA. This is my second-most important category. Threats to "America" aren't going to make exceptions for older white women. Whatever harms "America" ... missiles, detonated explosives, financial collapse ... will fall hardest on those least able to cope: the sick, disabled, cognitively or emotionally impaired, the elderly, and the poor. That
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All those projects that can't be done because there is no money? The money is being hidden. All the influence that the wealthy have in government? Bought with tax cheating money. I saw a review of five books on tax-cheating. Here is an interesting quote:
One of the reporters who worked on the Panama Papers is describing the main conclusion he drew from his months of delving into millions of leaked documents about tax evasion. “Basically, we’re the dupes in this story,” he says. “Previously, we thought that the offshore world was a shadowy, but minor, part of our economic system. What we learned from the Panama Papers is that it is the economic system.”
Who do you think Hillary's top donors are?
University of California $1,227,068
EMILY's List $1,189,664
JPMorgan Chase & Co $993,398
Citigroup Inc $985,975
Goldman Sachs $946,445
DLA Piper $939,101 AN INTERNATIONAL WEALTH MANAGEMENT FIRM LIKE MOSSACK FONSECA
Morgan Stanley $925,134
Alphabet Inc (GOOGLE) $841,158
Time Warner $812,368
Skadden, Arps et al $729,078 ANOTHER INTERNATIONAL WEALTH MANAGEMENT FIRM
Harvard University $689,633
Microsoft Corp $681,986
US Government $634,221
Kirkland & Ellis $631,149 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
Stanford University $579,974
Akin, Gump et al $571,083 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
Paul, Weiss et al $569,572 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
National Amusements Inc $552,245
Bank of America $531,606
Greenberg Traurig LLP $518,645 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
Hillary's donors: International banks. Companies with content who want the TPP. A crap-ton of international wealth management law firms, who help their clients shelter their wealth.
So, when do you think Hillary is going start biting the hands that feed her? In her first year as President, do you suppose?
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Quote:I know what will happen. Hillary will request more money for enforcement at IRS; the Republican majority in the House will be outraged; the Republican minority in the Senate will filibuster; the IRS budget won't pass; Republicans will blame Hillary for her lack of leadership; Trump will ditto that from sidelines, but he will never release his income tax returns.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Who do you think Hillary's top donors are?
University of California $1,227,068
EMILY's List $1,189,664
JPMorgan Chase & Co $993,398
Citigroup Inc $985,975
Goldman Sachs $946,445
DLA Piper $939,101 AN INTERNATIONAL WEALTH MANAGEMENT FIRM LIKE MOSSACK FONSECA
Morgan Stanley $925,134
Alphabet Inc (GOOGLE) $841,158
Time Warner $812,368
Skadden, Arps et al $729,078 ANOTHER INTERNATIONAL WEALTH MANAGEMENT FIRM
Harvard University $689,633
Microsoft Corp $681,986
US Government $634,221
Kirkland & Ellis $631,149 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
Stanford University $579,974
Akin, Gump et al $571,083 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
Paul, Weiss et al $569,572 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
National Amusements Inc $552,245
Bank of America $531,606
Greenberg Traurig LLP $518,645 ANOTHER INTL WEALTH MGT FIRM
Hillary's donors: International banks. Companies with content who want the TPP. A crap-ton of international wealth management law firms, who help their clients shelter their wealth.
So, when do you think Hillary is going start biting the hands that feed her? In her first year as President, do you suppose?
You left out some information to make your point stronger, at least 18 times stronger. For example, everybody who worked at University of California, for the last 18 years, is included in the $1,227,068 for UC:
"This table lists the top donors to this candidate in 1999-2016. The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."
www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Ca
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The really bad ones are retirees. Retired gave Hillary $60,009,819
Those old folks will be demanding increases in social security and medicare. If I were President, rather than Hillary, I'd tell those people that they won't get a raise until they go and get a job.
www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=Career&cid=N0
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This "Hillary is a warmonger" mantra is a bunch of crap. It was Obama, not Hillary, who made the bad decisions on Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc. etc.
FWIW, both candidates are vile, greedy, loathsome, and corrupt. I would not and did not watch the 2nd debate. I'm long past done paying attention, and as far as the election goes I feel like Rhett Butler - Frankly, I don't give a damn.
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Quote:You're wrong.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
This "Hillary is a warmonger" mantra is a bunch of crap.
Quote:There's enough responsibility to go around, but the State Department was working hand-in-glove with the CIA to destabilize many different govts.
It was Obama, not Hillary, who made the bad decisions on Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc. etc.
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FWIW, both candidates are vile, greedy, loathsome, and corrupt. I would not and did not watch the 2nd debate. I'm long past done paying attention, and as far as the election goes I feel like Rhett Butler - Frankly, I don't give a damn.
Either Hillary was an effective Scy State who gained a lot of experience on "getting things done", or she was just a token appointee. Take your pick. Those early Wikileaks releases are already showing that she knew our "allies" (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) were funding ISIL. I'm sure there will be more.
Quote:In other words, HILLARY WILL DO NOTHING.
I know what will happen. Hillary will request more money for enforcement at IRS; the Republican majority in the House will be outraged; the Republican minority in the Senate will filibuster; the IRS budget won't pass; Republicans will blame Hillary for her lack of leadership ...
And there you are: your big fat double standard is showing again.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
This "Hillary is a warmonger" mantra is a bunch of crap. It was Obama, not Hillary, who made the bad decisions on Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc. etc.
FWIW, both candidates are vile, greedy, loathsome, and corrupt. I would not and did not watch the 2nd debate. I'm long past done paying attention, and as far as the election goes I feel like Rhett Butler - Frankly, I don't give a damn.
But then - after the 2008 Rep convention you posted that Sarah Palin was *so* awesome that she heralded the end of the Democrats. Yep. You did. And no, it will never die.
Just like the current supporters of Trump will never escape the pure idiocy of their stance. Their posts will be brought up for years and years as certifiable proof have how poor their judgement is.
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Quote:I'll show you a bigger, fatter, double standard. Trump will have no trouble passing his tax plan while Hillary will be fighting for her plan the next four years. But what are the plans?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In other words, HILLARY WILL DO NOTHING.
And there you are: your big fat double standard is showing again.
There is a slight difference between Trump’s and Hillary’s Tax Plans. Maybe the third debate will cover that.
http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/final-numbers-are-trumps-t
ax-plan-huge-windfall-wealthy
Describing Trump’s Tax Plan, his national policy director, Stephen Miller, employs the key rhetorical strategy known in the industry, technically, as lying.
https://twitter.com/RichardRubinDC/status/785916117315309568
The Clinton Official-led Tax Policy Center has wasted everyone’s time with a fraudulent analysis after admitting they had a software bug that prevented them from scoring the plan’s economic effects. Moreover, the TPC was privately informed they had modeled the wrong plan — not ours — but refused to correct their extremely embarrassing error and model our plan. For instance, our plan has explicit safeguards to keep hedge funds from abusing the business rate — it’s Hillary who plans secret benefits for Wall Street, not us. In other words, this article isn’t even about the Trump plan — but about the gross malfeasance of the deeply-biased Tax Policy Center. The Trump plan is revenue neutral, massively cuts middle-class taxes, and has huge benefits for low and middle-income families. The Clinton plan, as released by WikiLeaks, is “open borders,” Medicare and Social Security cuts, and benefits only for Wall Street.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:If wemanage to survive a Hillary Presidency, I'll be extremely relieved to say that you were right. On the other hand, if I'm right, there will be no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Possibly no oppty either.
Just like the current supporters of Trump will never escape the pure idiocy of their stance. Their posts will be brought up for years and years as certifiable proof have how poor their judgement is.
But in the meantime,
Ash Carter (Pentagon) blew up the Syrian halt in hostilities by bombing and strafing Syrian troops for over an hour. This was AFTER Obama and Kerry were aiming for a negotiated settlement. Obama is no longer in charge of foreign policy: It's neocons all the way ... and that includes so-called "liberal" Democrats.
Regime change in Syria is still Hillary's #1 priority there. Including a "no fly zone" which even Ash Carter said would mean war with Russia.
Kiev just rejected Minsk. They were NEVER going to fulfill the agreement which had been negotiated by major EU nations and Russia, but the fact that they openly state their rejection NOW means that they may be preparing for war, again. Because winter is coming, and their living standard is in freefall.
Russia has called all of its citizens home. They just held a nuclear war drill for 40 million people.
Things are not cooling down; the neocons in the US government are provoking things forward.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Quote:I had to look for Riverlove's Sarah Palin hero-worshiping. I found it at
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
This "Hillary is a warmonger" mantra is a bunch of crap. It was Obama, not Hillary, who made the bad decisions on Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc. etc.
FWIW, both candidates are vile, greedy, loathsome, and corrupt. I would not and did not watch the 2nd debate. I'm long past done paying attention, and as far as the election goes I feel like Rhett Butler - Frankly, I don't give a damn.
But then - after the 2008 Rep convention you posted that Sarah Palin was *so* awesome that she heralded the end of the Democrats. Yep. You did. And no, it will never die.
Just like the current supporters of Trump will never escape the pure idiocy of their stance. Their posts will be brought up for years and years as certifiable proof have how poor their judgement is.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=34747
"The party's over indeed, for the Democrats that is. Thanks to their rabid legions of defenders of liberalism pre-speech vitriolic attacks against Sarah Palin and her family, they have doomed themselves into extinction.
They have set the stage, and they have ignited and elevated Sarah to instantly become an ideological icon. An icon that represents almost everything that the Left despises, but rings oh so true to so many millions of people. How dare they criticize her love of family, her ability to govern while still loving and caring for her family. Did they ever ask a man that?
They prefer the Clinton style of family obviously, separate parents with a single child. How downright stupid or desperate or both are they to go after an 80% approval rating Governor, a woman with a track record of successfully defeating all her opponents? Are they totally nuts?
With respects to Helen Reddy, Palin is woman, hear her roar.
Oh, the hardcore Left will hold on for a while, but where are the "feminists"; oh that's right , you can be a family woman with a career, just as long as you subscribe to the social and political positions that NOW, Oprah, NARAL, Planned Parenthoood, et al fully support, which is Obama.
And they indeed have a right to support positions and candidates. But don't try to con anyone that you are independent and care about women, all women. That game ends with Sarah Palin. She will be everywhere, all the time now thanks to the tidal wave of both love and admiration for this great woman, and the extreme backlash against the political, media, and celebrity attackers.
She's going to be a great campaigner, and will attract millions of new and independent voters to her causes. Her one debate with Biden will be maybe bigger than the 2 Presidential debates. An event of historic importance. The clashing of two worlds in many ways.
I wonder what the Jihadist terrorists think of her. And something tells me that the Europeans and world leaders are going to love her too. Oprah's passing on Sarah, so will Ellen have her on? She danced so cutely with Barack, will she dance with Sarah?"
Now it is 2016 and Sarah Palin is asking for more of Riverlove's money. Sarah Palin for President 2020!
www.sarahpac.com/contribute/
Just joking! I do NOT support Sarah Palin.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:If wemanage to survive a Hillary Presidency, I'll be extremely relieved to say that you were right. On the other hand, if I'm right, there will be no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Possibly no oppty either.
Just like the current supporters of Trump will never escape the pure idiocy of their stance. Their posts will be brought up for years and years as certifiable proof have how poor their judgement is.
Sweet!
Remember this post of mine from August 14:
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If Hillary wins and these is no nuclear Armageddon, will you admit you were wrong? If things actually somewhat improve in terms of income equality, personal freedoms... health care costs coming under control, environmental concerns being addressed, and international relations improving, will you fall to your knees and beg forgiveness for having been so completely wrong?
If there is a President Trump and the country survives four years with anything close to status quo, I will bow down to your wisdom. There doesn't even need to be improvement. Just a bare maintainance of the conditions we have now.
Challenge accepted?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60745&mid=1
015091#1015091
I repeated that challenge a few times in the following few days but got nothing but hedging from you. But now I have a yes! Awesome!
Well... almost, of course. You would be "relieved" to find that I am right but would make no admission that you were WRONG. I know better than to expect such a thing from you. Learning from your mistakes? Not in the sig handbook LOL!
Never mind, I'm looking forward to seeing this play out. I will hold you to it, unlike those who gnashed their teeth and pulled their hair and cried whoa at the inevitable end of the US and all personal freedoms due to Obama's election in 2008.
Say, how did that prediction go again? Riverlove? Rap? Anyone? ;)
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Quote:It must be very stressful for Republicans -- always worried that a Democratic President will end the world very soon. Worried that there will be no opportunity to watch all the episodes of Firefly one more time than say goodbye to the family as H-bombs explode all around your house and the radioactive fallout drifts down on your lawn, your home, your life, burying you in the dust. It will be Hillary's fault.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If we manage to survive a Hillary Presidency, I'll be extremely relieved to say that you were right. On the other hand, if I'm right, there will be no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Possibly no oppty either.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I had to look for Riverlove's Sarah Palin hero-worshiping. I found it at
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=34747
"The party's over indeed, for the Democrats that is. Thanks to their rabid legions of defenders of liberalism pre-speech vitriolic attacks against Sarah Palin and her family, they have doomed themselves into extinction."
OMG awesome LOL! That thread is proof positive of what kind of brains brought on Palin and led straight on through to Drumph.
Sad though, to see posts from people long gone. HK and Chris and Tony. Kwicko and FMF. Shit, even Jongs and Hero and Kirk.
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Quote:No. Not really. I don't pay much attention to your posts, to be honest.
Sweet! Remember this post of mine from August 14 =MAL4
Quote:Yes, it must be. I wouldn't know, tho, since I'm a lifelong registered Democrat. The difference between us, SECOND, is that I don't let party registration completely determined my POV, as you seem to have done. You trivialize the most important things that way. In that way, you're just like the Republicans that you hate.
If we manage to survive a Hillary Presidency, I'll be extremely relieved to say that you were right. On the other hand, if I'm right, there will be no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Possibly no oppty either.- SIGNY
It must be very stressful for Republicans...=SECOND
Quote:Well, if that comes to pass I'll certainly think of you, because it will be your fault as well.
...as H-bombs explode all around your house and the radioactive fallout drifts down on your lawn, your home, your life, burying you in the dust. It will be Hillary's fault. =SECOND
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Trump also said that it was 3 on 1 and he also mentioned the very old and unlimitedly powerful German-Jew George Soros.
Nobody says shit about him and lives to tell the tale.
George Soros is as old as the fucking Crypt Keeper and he pulls all of the strings and controls all of the Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs.
Most people don't even realize what Trump did in the 2nd Debate when he called out George Soros.
Google him.
Learn about him.
Learn about Hillary's emails with him and his people.
If ever there were a "Star Wars" type Emperor, George Soros would be it.
That's what Trump did for us on Sunday night.
He put a hit on is own head, by calling out one of the TRUE 1%.
More like the 0.0001%
If he were a low profile guy and did that, he'd be dead already from some freak accident.
Don't believe me.
Google it.
Because of Wikileaks, all of that information is there for all of us to see now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The only reason I get to talk about how evil George Soros is is because everybody thinks I'm crazy and I have an almost negative circle of influence.
Sometimes it pays to be the Drunken Master :)
Go ahead and Google "George Soros Hillary Borders"
I'm pretty sure that no matter where you fall on the political spectrum you will not be happy after reading it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
EDITED TO ADD: The TRUE reason I get to talk about George Soros is because I don't care if I die. I honestly kind of want to, and if I were to disappear tonight for this, I couldn't think of a better way to go.
Seriously Dude...
Fuck George Soros.
Make him lick my taint in town square when he is finally put on trial for his Globalist Hate Crimes.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:No. Not really. I don't pay much attention to your posts, to be honest.
Sweet! Remember this post of mine from August 14 =MAL4Quote:Yes, it must be. I wouldn't know, tho, since I'm a lifelong registered Democrat. The difference between us, SECOND, is that I don't let party registration completely determined my POV, as you seem to have done. You trivialize the most important things that way. In that way, you're just like the Republicans that you hate.
If we manage to survive a Hillary Presidency, I'll be extremely relieved to say that you were right. On the other hand, if I'm right, there will be no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Possibly no oppty either.- SIGNY
It must be very stressful for Republicans...=SECONDQuote:Well, if that comes to pass I'll certainly think of you, because it will be your fault as well.
...as H-bombs explode all around your house and the radioactive fallout drifts down on your lawn, your home, your life, burying you in the dust. It will be Hillary's fault. =SECOND
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
I know I only float in and out of here Sigs, but at this point I feel that we're among the Veterans of the RWED in 2016.
We've had plenty to argue about over the years. I always hated GWB and then Obama and pretty much disappeared for 5 years at least during the Obama Lie. Before I ditched the RWED, we agreed on a lot of things, even if we disagreed on a lot of other things. But we always talked to each other like we were humans and not just some anonymous Name.
We've been stating our opinions so long and so hard here for so long that I don't even remember what we used to argue about. At this point, where we are, I feel that you are one of the few people that actually "get" it. Even if the base of your reasoning is a complete 180 degrees from where I start.
You've said in this very thread that you're a Democrat. I don't think I've ever said I was a Republican in 13 years here, but I won't deny the label if it makes people here feel better. I would be proud to say I was Libertarian if the current Libertarian Candidate and his running mate didn't bastardaize the whole thing........
I apologize for endorsing you since nobody here respects me at all and that might be used as a negative against you. I just wanted to tell you that I've always respected you over the like 12 or 13 years we've been posting here. Even when we fought each other on things, we always kept it civil and I believe that we're living proof that most people would agree with 80% of any other human's beliefs if tested.
I really believe that things are coming to a true crossroads. Our lives that we grew up will possibly disappear if the wrong choices are made. In the 4 presidential elections I've been old enough to engage in, this is the first time I'm actually enthusiastic about a candidate.
I understand if you're not, given your "base" beliefs, and I wouldn't ever try to "convert" you.
I know I'm "full of myself" but I'll admit that I might be completely wrong here. I just have to say that I'm basically in love with Donald Trump and if we were alone in a room together, I would grab him by the pussy and make out with him.
Seriously Sigs...
I know he's 70 years old, but I'd fuck that mop off of his head I love Trump so much!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I'd ask why you think Trump is the answer, but I'd rather write about why some Republicans, not just Democrats, think Trump should not be elected.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, it must be. I wouldn't know, tho, since I'm a lifelong registered Democrat. The difference between us, SECOND, is that I don't let party registration completely determined my POV, as you seem to have done. You trivialize the most important things that way. In that way, you're just like the Republicans that you hate.
For a generation, the Republican party has been held together by a simple story that activists laid out in the 1950s. Coming out of World War II, President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Republican Party backed government policies that promoted equality of opportunity—projects such as education, infrastructure, government regulation, and social welfare. These policies were both effective and enormously popular. But wealthy men loathed government regulation and the taxes that an active government required. Calling themselves conservatives, they started a movement to undermine the idea that promoting equality of opportunity was the proper role for the American government.
They had a problem: Most Americans liked the government programs. So to push their agenda, movement conservatives rejected fact-based evidence and instead advanced a very simple narrative: hard-working white American men were under siege by minorities, women, organized workers, and “special interests” who wanted government handouts. Government policies that promoted equal opportunity were the very opposite of fair. They redistributed wealth from hard-working white men to lazy minorities.
The party held that good American men just wanted to get back to their traditional role: taking care of their children and their loving, homemaking wives. Central to the portrayal of the conservative American individualist was the idea of his morality. The ideal conservative man worked hard, wanted (and needed) nothing from the government, and loved and protected his wife and children. This paternalistic image offered followers a return to an idealized past, assuring the people who were falling behind in the modern economy that there was a simple cause for their distress. If only the government could be purged from the influence of black people, minorities, lazy workers, and unfeminine women who demanded that the government help them get equal access to schools and jobs, good American men could get back to their traditional role: taking care of their children and their loving, homemaking wives.
Richard Nixon welcomed this narrative into the Republican Party when he won voters by embracing the Southern Strategy and rallying the “Silent Majority” of hardworking white men who were trying to support their families while shiftless protesters mobbed in the streets. Then, in 1980, Ronald Reagan won the White House by continuing to draw upon this idealized image of the conservative male American. He warned voters against the mythical “welfare queen”—a lazy black woman who stole tax dollars to live in luxury—and promised to defend regular, hardworking Americans against such leeches.
This image has fired up poor and working-class Republican voters ever since the Reagan era, even as movement conservatives passed legislation that undermined working American’s security by sucking wealth upward. It was this narrative that enabled extremists to capture the GOP in the 1990s, dismissing traditional Republicans as RINOs—Republicans in Name Only. Ever since, the movement conservative narrative has dominated the Republican Party. Anyone calling for the government to promote racial or gender equality is, according this script, a threat to America.
And so when Trump called Mexicans criminals and rapists, he simply took the movement conservative narrative to its next logical step. If minorities and women who demand equality are a threat to the nation, then all good Americans must work to purge them from the country. When he mocked the disabled
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Second....
EVERYONE is fighting against Trump.
It's not just the obviously biased CNN and MSNBC. It's not just the obvious left wing brainwashed kids in college that can't give a single reason that they don't like Trump other than the audio that came out last week.
Almost every single prominant Establishment Rethug came out last week. People that never liked him in the first place. Men who were able to play Pretend that they never said anything bad about anything behind closed doors. Paul Ryan, John McCain.... hell the audio was leaked to the press by "Billy Bush" who is Jeb Bush's Cousin. The ENTIRE FUCKING BUSH Family supported Hillary before that audio came out.
I give you a kind of pass since you weren't here when I hated every single fucking day on GWB....
But really Second. Take a step back and look at it all.
I know you don't support Hillary. You don't even like or trust her. You were a Bernie Sanders Supporter. And emails have come out that have proven that the Fucking Fix was in and Hillary Bought the election.
Maybe Reagan was one of them too, but every single president we've had were "Besties"....
George Bush, Bill Clinton, GWB, Obama. Neo-Cons and Lib-Cons. Selling America to the Highest bidder....
If you look at legitimate polls, hell just look at the turnout for Trump Rallys. He is annihilating Hillary. She can't even fill a High School areana while Trump is putting more asses in the seats than Justin Beiber. There is usually so many thousands that cant even get in and they just hang around outside and scare the tiny bit of Trump Haters away out of boredom.
Look at Hillary. Look at your entire life of voting for liars like Hillary. So many promises before they were elected, no delivery on any of them.
I FUCKING HATED GWB!!!!!!!!!
We probably would have been best friends 10 years ago here.
8 years of lies since then. No hope or change. 3 more unconstitutional wars. Worse race relations than we had back before the 60s. Riots in the fucking streets.
Hillary is bought and paid for by the CEOs of Goldman Sachs and all of the other major banks. She told them that she has their back even though she has a "private" and "public" way of thinking.
She told them that during a "speech" she was giving that cost them over $500,000 to listen to.
What Hillary says isn't that fucking magical. She's not a fucking God that is worth a half a million dollars to listen to for 15 minutes. The Clinton Foundation got that money because She told Them exactly what they wanted to hear.
Hillary was bought and paid for decades ago.
I'm all for a female president in our future. It has to be the right one though.
We already had a Black President who sold us out and made things much worse. His only contribution was "Obamacare" which even Bill Clinton said was horrible for the people.
Don't be stupid Second. Read the e-mails. Read how Hillary wants to open the boarders and make US and Candada and Mexico one single country like the UK just backed out of in the EU.
Don't think about stupid conversations made 11 years ago by people who thought nobody was ever going to listen. Trump's looked bad, but if you really listen to Hillary talking about her first case as a public defender and getting that rapist of a 12 year old off with 2 months served, it's much worse.
That's what Hillary and the MSM does..... they attack with meaningless things while we're halfway to full blown war with Russia because of Obama and nobody is fucking talking about that.
SERIOUSLY! NOBODY IS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT WAR WITH RUSSIA THANKS TO OBAMA!!!!
Are you even aware of our current situation with Syria and Russia now, or have you been focusing on an 11 year old tape provided to the Clinton Foundation by Billy Bush?
Even if you don't like the mother fucker, vote for him, or at the very least, don't sell your soul
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Hey Girl! :)
Nah... Trump wasn't a warhawk. It's one of the HUGE reasons that even the Establisment Rethugs like Paul Ryan disavow him for some stupid shit he said in a locker room 11 years ago.
Trust me, I would not want to hear about you and Rihona and Sigs talking about how small my penis was behind closed doors 10 years from now ;)
Everybody hates Trump. It's ESPECIALLY telling when the entire Bush Family is backing Hillary. The only reason we heard that tape was because "Billy Bush", Jeb Bushe's Cousin was able to dig it up and give it to the Establishment.
Remember when we fucking hated GWB and Auraptor and others attacked us?
Part of me is asking you to "Get Read" and love Trump, but most of me is just asking for you to hate Hillary as much as I know you do and to not vote for her instead. Even get your friends who feel the same way to vote 3rd party.
Hillary is downright Evil, and there are so many documents to prove it.
You are so smart. Please don't vote for Satan.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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This explains Trump voters. And it's what I've been saying since day one.
Change in total number of manufacturing jobs in metropolitan areas, 1954–2002. (Figures for New England are from 1958.)
Dark Red >58% loss
Red 43–56% loss
Pink 31–43.2% loss
Orange 8.7–29.1% loss [United States average: 8.65% loss]
Light Green 7.5% loss – 54.4% gain
Green >62% gain
Three metropolitan areas lost more than four fifths of their manufacturing jobs: 
Change in per capita personal income in metropolitan counties, 1980–2002, relative to the average for U.S. metropolitan areas.
Dark Green income above average, growth faster than average
Light Green income above average, growth average or below average
Light Green income above average but decreasing
Pink income below average, growth faster than average
Red income below average, growth average or below average
Brownish income below average and further decreasing
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Quote:I am the world’s greatest expert on “second”. I know more about “second” than even you do, mostly because the opinions of the character that goes by the name “second” at fireflyfans.net has been recently realigned with my own. I’ve become sincere, even if that was not my intention two months ago. By the way, I used to log in as “two”.
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Second....
I will make a few corrections in your understanding of “second”:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But really Second. Take a step back and look at it all.
I know you don't support Hillary. [Wrong. I do support Hillary. Already voted for her and Tim Kaine]
You don't even like or trust her. [Wrong. I do trust her to act like a Democrat. I also trust that she won’t start WWIII, which contradicts Sygnym’s belief.
You’re also right, I don’t like Hillary. It should have been Obama running, but the Republicans revised the Constitution in 1947 with the Twenty-Second Amendment limiting an elected president to two terms in office.]
You were a Bernie Sanders Supporter. [Wrong. I am Not a Bernie fan. He was always too old to be President. And like all Independents caucusing with the Democrats, he makes promises that he has not really thought through.]
And emails have come out that have proven that the Fucking Fix was in and Hillary Bought the election. [This is false – yes, there are emails, but no, the emails don’t mean what you think they mean, either in the primary or general elections. This is also the same as a Trump talking point about Hillary stealing the election from him.
It is exactly the same as when Republicans claimed Obama was born in Kenya and because he is a foreigner, Obama cannot be President, therefore Republicans believe he stole the election from a natural-born-citizen named John McCain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp ]
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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This explains Trump voters. And it's what I've been saying since day one.
Change in total number of manufacturing jobs in metropolitan areas, 1954–2002. (Figures for New England are from 1958.)
Dark Red >58% loss
Red 43–56% loss
Pink 31–43.2% loss
Orange 8.7–29.1% loss [United States average: 8.65% loss]
Light Green 7.5% loss – 54.4% gain
Green >62% gain
Three metropolitan areas lost more than four fifths of their manufacturing jobs:
Change in per capita personal income in metropolitan counties, 1980–2002, relative to the average for U.S. metropolitan areas.
Dark Green income above average, growth faster than average
Light Green income above average, growth average or below average
Light Green income above average but decreasing
Pink income below average, growth faster than average
Red income below average, growth average or below average
Brownish income below average and further decreasing
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The only thing you need concern yourself with my friend, is the people, much like me, who are silently going to vote for Trump.
I'd never put a Trump/Pence bumper sticker on my car. I'd never put a Hillary for Prison sign on my lawn.
I live close to Gary, Indiana. Though there are no fights, I don't see any reason to incite one, or to get my windows smashed in when I pick up groceries. I'm not saying it would happen, I'm just asking, "What's the Point?".
There are literally TENS of THOUSANDS of supporters to every Trump Rally. On the very rare occasion Hillary feels well enough to do one, nobody shows up.
If you have no proof that I'm wrong, please don't reply :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I've got proof. I've got an article from a 31 year old Republican, JD Vance, from Middletown Ohio. He explains why his people are voting for Trump.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only thing you need concern yourself with my friend, is the people, much like me, who are silently going to vote for Trump.
I'd never put a Trump/Pence bumper sticker on my car. I'd never put a Hillary for Prison sign on my lawn.
I live close to Gary, Indiana. Though there are no fights, I don't see any reason to incite one, or to get my windows smashed in when I pick up groceries. I'm not saying it would happen, I'm just asking, "What's the Point?".
There are literally TENS of THOUSANDS of supporters to every Trump Rally. On the very rare occasion Hillary feels well enough to do one, nobody shows up.
If you have no proof that I'm wrong, please don't reply :)
How Donald Trump seduced America’s white working class
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/10/jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy
-donald-trump-us-white-poor-working-class
Social scientists have long studied the problems plaguing white working-class America -- like joblessness, divorce and alcoholism. But Mr. Vance has lived them, and he offers a compelling explanation for why it’s so hard for someone who grew up the way he did to make it.
www.wsj.com/articles/the-forgotten-americans-1469660992
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Wow, what can I add to that, 6IX?
SECOND, I'm sure that Trump is NOT the answer. Will he turn around the economy? No. In fact, I expect some pain if he is elected. Will he set back some causes near and dear to my heart? Most likely yes.
I think you know all the the reasons why I believe that Clinton and Trump are personally morally equivalent (altho I give Trump a slight advantage on that):
BOTH have problematic Foundations. Trump solicited donations for business purposes, the Clintons used "pay to play" for favorable State Department access.
BOTH disrespect women. Hillary "went after" Bill's victims, and Trump has a potty mouth.
BOTH used the tax law in their favor. Neither one of them has respect for "the little people". We will probably see released internal documents bemoaning how Hillary hates people, or words to that effect.
HOWEVER Hillary is a darling of the neocons, the big banks, Wall Street (just watch how the stocks go up when Hillary's poll numbers do), establishment Republicans, international and content corporations, and the wealthy. But they all scatter like cockroaches when Trump does well. Trump has huge support among the enlisted and retired military, who are tired of cleaning up after neocon/ State Department/ CIA messes.
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But all of that is simply to show there are no COMPELLING reasons to vote for Hillary. So now, my vote for Trump, as pointless as it will be:
I am virtually a three-issue voter. I know how frustrating those kinds of voters can be: gun control, abortion rights, or what-have-you. And yet, in this crazy political world. having been effectively abandoned by the Democratic Party since Bill Clinton and with a cowardly response (at best) from Obama in the midst of the greatest financial catastrophe and with the highest support enjoyed by any recent sitting President, we are at the situation where the little people are getting stiffed like never before economically and politically. Yep, rammed right up the ass.
WAR WITH RUSSIA
My overriding issue is war with Russia. Full-spectrum dominance has been a neocon idee fixe since PNAC, and at THIS point they mean to destroy Russia. As crazy as that sounds, that has been part of their project to expand NATO, foment radical Muslim terrorism in Chechnya, overturn the Ukrainian (elected) government to take away Sevastopol, have Georgia invade S Ossetia, peck away at Azerbaijan and any Central Asian state they can find, and make Syria a "quagmire". And they don't mind using their Saudi-funded jihadists to do it. They (the deep state) have gotten way with it so many times already they no longer know what is possible and what isn't; they're insane on the topic and any general or analyst who's tried tell them otherwise has been "retired" or quashed, until the Joint Chiefs has become infested with yes-men and neocons. It's hard to credit how crazed they are. And, no, it's not "crazy like a fox", it's just "crazy".
Now we can discuss for pages and pages how much Hillary was responsible for our various military "interventions", but I don't need to: All I need to do is point to her CURRENT campaign and it's using "Russia" as a fear-mongering tactic to (literally) scare up votes. IF she is going to be elected President, she has completely poisoned any relationship she might have had with Putin - and whoever replaces him - for the foreseeable future. And the fact that she doesn't seem to have even THOUGHT of that tells me that she isn't putting much thought into any sort of diplomatic relationship at all with Russia. Either she's overlooked a very important point, or she's already decided that hybrid war/ nuclear brinkmanship is going to be her sole approach. And don't forget, this is not Hillary deciding, but her backers.
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I feel that you posted that without finishing your thought Second, but I do appreciate your filling me in on your name.
I apologize for making you feel like you had to do that. I can say 100% that it wasn't my intention.
I'll be completely clear about my intentions.
Bill Clinton is a Rapist.
Hillary Clinton has spent Her life as a beard and covering for his deviant behavior. Not a traditional Beard. Bill Clinton isn't Gay. Bill Clinton is a Rapist.
Hillary Clinton has told the CEO of Goldman Sachs that She has a "Private" and "Public" point of view, and if you read the full email, she's letting the guys that just gave a half million dollars to the Clinton Foundation that She Supports Them even though She's going to lie to us.
Hillary imagines a future where there are open borders and the USA, Canada and Mexico are the same country. I'm not making this up. Ask Signey. Ask Wish...
Hillary and CNN and MSNBC and now even FOX are backed by George Soros. Google George Soros.
I hope you really love your name, Second.
If Hillary is elected President, be prepared to always be no greater than Second.
Imagine a world where the best you could ever hope for is Second place...
Are you even aware of what's going on in Syria now? Are you aware that almost a month ago we brokered a cease-fire with Russia and the Syrian Government?
Are you aware that 2 days before we were to meet with heads of Russia to collaborate on a surgical strike on ISIS, Obama sent our first attack on the Syrian Nation?
4 fighter jets. We never fired a single shot before this. We just armed rebels and taught them how to fight before this.
But we sent in 4 fighter jets and bombed...
We killed 84 Syrian Millitary, and ISIS went in and finished the job on that stronghold.
Russia said to US "WTF??????"
All we had to say was "OOPS! Bad Intel! Sorry!"
A fucking cease fire agreement, less than 48 hours away from working with :Russia to take out the Terrorists, and we destroy a legitimate Syrian Stronghold on accident, in the first physical strike that America has EVER done in Syria so far.
If you've been paying attention, that's what "WE" have wanted the entire time. We were backing the rebels. Training them and arming them, even though more than half of them defected to ISIS.
Meanwhile, Russia is trying to prop up the Syrian Government because it's one of the last countries in the Middle East that are not Extreme Jihadists, and they're right on the Russian Border.
They don't want 300,000 Syrian Refugees in their country to come and rape and beat their teenage daughters like they did in France.
Google It.
Don't plan a romantic trip to the Eiffel Tower with your lover any time soon unless you're heavily armed is all I'm saying....
THIS is what our "Lame Duck" president Obama is doing while everyone is worried about Trump grabbing theoretical girls by their pussy 11 years ago.
YOU are the one who is sad here.
Read a fucking book.
We have the internet now. Know more about what "your" country is doing without your consent.
I absolutely fucking guarantee that you don't agree with a single fucking thing Obama is doing right now when nobody is paying attention.
Hillary will continue this.
The MSM is bought and paid and keeps us all "entertained" and ensures that you will all vote for Hillary.
Even Republican Assholes like Paul Ryan and John McCain, who are bought and paid for, speak out against Trump after the video. I won't post it because he does have a family and as far as I know it's only in a few circles now, but Google "Jimmy Dore McCain" and read about stuff that McCain says when he thinks nobody is listening....
I'll just say that it involves CUNT, and when I used that word here a few years back everyone hated me for it, even though she was a legitimate one and des
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Wow, what can I add to that, 6IX?
Well SIG you could explain to 6ix ( an Alex Jones fan ) that your boy's candidacy is imploding. You could explain that Trump calling Romney a loser is funny, because it is Trump who is the loser. Yep, your boy is crying into his soup. Everybody is picking on me. lol...You could further explain to 6ix that as it Turns out Trump is weak, a whiner and a victim. These are not the characteristics of a winner. Who I might add is getting his ass kicked by a women who most Americans don't like either. Wow, now that's a loser.
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THUGR: The typical Hillary supporter?
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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THUGR: The typical Hillary supporter?
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Just to memorialize that THUGR is pro-war. He doesn't care for what, as long as it's war.
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Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?- SIGNY
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Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Just to memorialize that THUGR is pro-war. He doesn't care for what, as long as it's war.
THUGR: The typical Hillary supporter?
This is why our Russian trolls SIG and 1kiki are so intent on disparaging Hillary and promoting Trump. It is also why the Wikipedia releases about Hillary cannot be trusted as truthful and not doctored. And I would add why 6ix is little more than a puppet and stooge.
The video shows Trump lying and spreading Putin's propaganda. The guy who actually wrote the email Trump reads and attributes to someone else comes from Putin's propaganda machine and the way it is represented is a lie.
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Hey THGRII,
Trump never whined.
He just kind of kicked her ass and told her that she will be in prison after he is elected.
Unlike the MSM, comparing Trump to some third world dictatorship, he explained exactly how he would legally do it. He said that he would confer with his Attorney General about having her prosecuted. This isn't some behind the scenes talk. This is exactly what he said in the Debate. Get a hearing aid, maybe?
The BEAUTIFUL thing about the FACT that Hillary Clinton and her endless stream of cronies that were granted Immunity is that they were never charged. They were never tried for their crimes against America.
Not One Single Person Was Put On Trial...
No Double Jeopardy claims for any of them, is what that means.
Like that 12 year old virgin that was raped and put in a coma that Hillary laughed about getting her rapist off with 2 months time served, they're all fresh and new.
Not a single one of them can say that they were already tried in a court of law and found Not Guilty.
And do I listen to Infowars? Sure. I already admitted here that I do. I also listen regularly to Jimmy Dore among others, and although I agree with 80% of what he says, sometimes he swings so far to the Left it makes me lurch as well.
I don't post Infowars here though, do I? When I post videos I go out of my way to find other sources, precisely For You. ;)
Is there a single sentence you want to argue me on in my previous posts, or are you content just throwing out the Alex Jones Strawman?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey THGRII,
Trump never whined.
He just kind of kicked her ass and told her that she will be in prison after he is elected.
The polls show he lost 57 to 34%. It is obvious that you don't live in reality. And we don't threaten our candidate's with jail during an election. That is the way of countries run by dictators. The fact that that doesn't trouble you says it all.
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Let's be honest THGRRI,
Most of America doesn't believe the polls. The "TRUST" polls for the MSM are at 6%. Barely half of the current approval rating for Congress.
If the numbers were flipped around, you'd be telling The Truth too.
Here's the Facts about the debates. Every one of the moderators, even the Fox News guy for the 3rd one openly admit that they affiliate with the Democratic Party.
The Second Debate was supposedly filled with "Undecided Independents". I could just show you a Jimmy Dore video to argue this point, but I'll do it myself and ask you how "Independent and Undecided" a school-teacher and a Muslim twenty something in full garb are. Really?
I will take a moment to throw out a Kudos to CIA agent Anderson Cooper, however. He barely said a thing and let his Girl tag team Trump while remaining almost silent the entire time. I admit that I was not expecting that....
But I digress...
The polls mean nothing. Read the fine print on them. The "Scientific" polls actually give you fine print and tell you that they poll more than twice the amount of self-identifying Democrats than self-identifying Republicans to come up with those numbers.
If anything has been proven true in this election, the Neo-Liberals don't give two fucks about The Truth. Why should they? Watch a video about kids being questioned on a college campus who they're voting for. Most of these "educated" kids can't even put a sentence together, and when they do, they parrot the lies told by CNN.
Trump won the debate, and he did it with class.
Watch the first 5 minutes again.
He had a fully loaded gun, and 3 Bill Clinton rape victims in the front row.
Immediately when the debate started, they came at Trump, 3 on 1, about the audio tape leaked by Jeb Bushe's Cousin Billy Bush.
Trump apologized to America. He tried to move on.
They weren't having it.
They continued to press him about it.
ONLY then, did he bring out the victims of Bill Clinton's Rape to a public that probably never even knew it was a thing because the MSM has been covering that up for 30 years plus.
BTW.... did you see the closeup of Bill's face at that point? Ghost White, am I right?
Trump won that debate in the first 5-10 minutes for no other reason than he wasn't destroyed by that tape. He didn't press the Bill Clinton is a Rapist issue any further, and they never said another fucking word about what was essentially an illegally taped conversation Trump had with somebody he thought he was friends with 11 years ago.
So yes. I did see the same debate.
And no. Your polls you show are bullshit, and you can easily figure out that for yourself without my help if you read the fine print.
On top of everything else there are SO MANY "closeted" Trump Supporters that they aren't even counting on that are going to come out and vote this time. People who haven't voted for years or even decades are going to come out and vote for Trump.
I'm going to call it the "Ghostbusters Syndrome".
Remember when Paul Feig and the Media called any man who didn't see the new Ghostbusters movie a Woman Hater? Remember when they made fun of them as basement dwellers?
Hillary just had emails come out calling Bernie Sanders supporters Basement Dwellers too....
hmmmmm....
Basket of Deplorables?
Redeemable? No. Not according to Hillary.
Every non PC Phobia in the book we were called.
There is not a single sign in a yard in my neighborhood. But I'm in Indiana and Trump will win by a landslide here, so why would any of us put a sign out and invite some Hillary supporter to throw a rock in our window?
Paul Feig is an idiot and an asshole, and he single-handedly lost Sony HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS by attacking the core Ghostbuster base. But he is not a criminal.
Hillary is not an idiot, but she's an asshole, and if you ignore the polls an
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Do Right, Be Right. :)
Dude, answer the door. It looks like the doctor has arrived
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Yep.... that's what I thought ;)
Don't look at the MSM polls, but everyone else here knows that you just got Punked by a Drunk, Son.
Peace out.
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Do Right, Be Right. :)
Dude, answer the door. It looks like the doctor has arrived
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Yep.... that's what I thought ;)
Don't look at the MSM polls, but everyone else here knows that you just got Punked by a Drunk, Son.
Peace out.
No Jack what they know is The Insanity of Alcoholism and alcoholic's.
Alcoholics Anonymous refers to, “the insanity of our disease.” This is a very literal statement. I can tell you a bit about understanding the active alcoholic but I cannot make it make sense to you because understanding the active alcoholic requires stripping away a lot of rational thought, the acknowledgement and willingness to learn from mistakes, the ability to recognize obvious patterns of behavior, and quite often, the application of common sense.
Like I said Jack, let the doctor in. AA
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Quote:Trump lied about that when he said:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Like that 12 year old virgin that was raped and put in a coma that Hillary laughed about getting her rapist off with 2 months time served, they're all fresh and new.
“One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, was raped at 12. Her client she represented got him off, and she’s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped.”
— Donald Trump
Since the "second" debate (named after me) Trump has told that story a dozen of times at rallies because it is a killer story, completely annihilating Hillary, but it's not a true story.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/10/fact-checking-t
he-second-clinton-trump-presidential-debate/
Trump mixes up a story about a long-ago criminal case. Clinton did not laugh at a rape victim.
In 1975, Clinton — then Hillary Rodham — was a 27-year-old law professor running a legal aid clinic in the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. After a 41-year-old factory worker was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl, he asked the judge to replace his male court-appointed attorney with a female one. The judge went through the list of a half-dozen women practicing law in the county and picked Clinton.
In her autobiography, “Living History,” Clinton wrote, “I told [prosecutor] Mahlon [Gibson] I really don’t feel comfortable taking on such a client, but Mahlon gently reminded me that I couldn’t very well refuse the judge’s request.” Gibson has confirmed that account in interviews with Newsday and CNN, saying Clinton told him: “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?”
Ultimately, the prosecution’s case fell apart for a number of reasons, including investigators mishandling evidence of bloody underwear, so in a plea agreement the charges were reduced from first-degree rape to unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. Not until 2008 did the victim, Kathy Shelton, realize that Clinton had been the lawyer on the other side. She has since attacked Clinton for putting “me through hell,” and she appeared at a news event with Trump before the debate.
The rape case reemerged when the Washington Free Beacon in 2014 discovered unpublished audio recordings from the mid-1980s of Clinton being interviewed by Arkansas reporter Roy Reed for an article that was never published.
In the recorded interview, Clinton is heard laughing or giggling four times when discussing the case with unusual candor; the reporter is also heard laughing, and sometimes Clinton is responding to him.
Here are the four instances:
“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)
“So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings [the judge] and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence before it was presented. (Clinton laughs lightly between “evidence” and “before.”)
“I handed it [a biography of her expert witness] to Mahlon Gibson, and I said, ‘Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice.’” (Clinton laughs, as does the reporter.)
“So [Judge] Maupin had to, you know, under law he was supposed to determine whether the plea was factually supported. Maupin asked me to leave the room while he examined my client so that he could find out if it was factually supported. I said ‘Judge I can’t leave the room I’m his lawyer!’ he said ‘I know but I don’t want to talk about this in front of you.’” (Reporter says, “Oh God, really?” And they both laugh.)
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Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:35pm EDT
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russian-trump-idUSKCN12C28Q
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.
By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.
Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.
"Relations between Russia and the United States can't get any worse. The only way they can get worse is if a war starts," said Zhirinovsky, speaking in his huge office on the 10th floor of Russia's State Duma, or lower house of parliament.
"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realise that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."
Zhirinovsky's comments coincide with deep disagreements between Washington and Moscow over Syria and Ukraine and after the White House last week accused Russia of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organisations.
Even as WikiLeaks released another trove of internal documents from Clinton’s campaign on Wednesday, Putin insisted his country was not involved in an effort to influence the U.S. presidential election.
THE RUSSIAN TRUMP?
Zhirinovsky likes to shock liberal public opinion and he has frequently heaped scorn on the West, which he and other Russian nationalists regard as decadent, hypocritical and corrupted by political correctness.
His combative style, reminiscent of Trump's, ensures him plenty of television air time and millions of votes in Russian elections, often from the kind of blue-collar workers who are the bedrock of the U.S. Republican candidate's support.
Zhirinovsky once proposed blocking off mostly Muslim southern Russia with a barbed wire fence, echoing Trump's call for a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.
Zhirinovsky, who said he met Trump in New York in 2002, revels in his similarities with the American businessman - they are the same age, favour coarse, sometimes misogynistic language and boast about putting their own country first. Zhirinovsky has even said he wants a DNA test to see if he is related to Trump.
But unlike Trump, a billionaire real estate developer who casts himself as the anti-establishment candidate in the U.S. presidential race with no past political experience, Zhirinovsky is a consummate political insider who has sat in the Duma for more than two decades.
Putin has also praised Trump as "very talented", while the Republican candidate has said the Kremlin boss is a better leader than U.S. President Barack Obama. Clinton has accused Trump of being too cosy with Putin and questioned his business interests in Russia.
In other comments that have delighted Moscow, Trump has questioned the value of NATO for Washington, has spoken ambiguously about Russia's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea and suggested that the United States under his leadership would adopt a more isolationist foreign policy.
"He (Trump) won't care about Syria, Libya and Iraq and why an earth should America interfere in these cou
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Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:35pm EDT
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.
By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.
Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.
"Relations between Russia and the United States can't get any worse. The only way they can get worse is if a war starts," said Zhirinovsky, speaking in his huge office on the 10th floor of Russia's State Duma, or lower house of parliament.
"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realise that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."
Zhirinovsky's comments coincide with deep disagreements between Washington and Moscow over Syria and Ukraine and after the White House last week accused Russia of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organisations.
Even as WikiLeaks released another trove of internal documents from Clinton’s campaign on Wednesday, Putin insisted his country was not involved in an effort to influence the U.S. presidential election.
THE RUSSIAN TRUMP?
Zhirinovsky likes to shock liberal public opinion and he has frequently heaped scorn on the West, which he and other Russian nationalists regard as decadent, hypocritical and corrupted by political correctness.
His combative style, reminiscent of Trump's, ensures him plenty of television air time and millions of votes in Russian elections, often from the kind of blue-collar workers who are the bedrock of the U.S. Republican candidate's support.
Zhirinovsky once proposed blocking off mostly Muslim southern Russia with a barbed wire fence, echoing Trump's call for a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.
Zhirinovsky, who said he met Trump in New York in 2002, revels in his similarities with the American businessman - they are the same age, favour coarse, sometimes misogynistic language and boast about putting their own country first. Zhirinovsky has even said he wants a DNA test to see if he is related to Trump.
But unlike Trump, a billionaire real estate developer who casts himself as the anti-establishment candidate in the U.S. presidential race with no past political experience, Zhirinovsky is a consummate political insider who has sat in the Duma for more than two decades.
Putin has also praised Trump as "very talented", while the Republican candidate has said the Kremlin boss is a better leader than U.S. President Barack Obama. Clinton has accused Trump of being too cosy with Putin and questioned his business interests in Russia.
In other comments that have delighted Moscow, Trump has questioned the value of NATO for Washington, has spoken ambiguously about Russia's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea and suggested that the United States under his leadership would adopt a more isolationist foreign policy.
"He (Trump) won't care about Syria, Libya and Iraq and why an earth should America interfere in these countries? And Ukraine. Who needs Ukraine?," said Zhirinovsky, who onNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Trump went crazy today and threatened to sue the New York Times over sexual harassment! Twice in one day!
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The Russians are getting desperate so they are risking being more overt in their desire to see Trump beat Hillary. It's the same message we have been getting from our troll SIG for months now.
Can you imagine the discovery phase of this suit? Trump's lawyers would lock him inside his own gold-plated bathroom to keep him from going through with it.
There is not enough popcorn in the world for this movie.
Brian Stelter @brianstelter
Twice -- Trump threatened to sue during a phone interview Tuesday night, then an attorney sent a legal letter to NYT on Wednesday afternoon https://twitter.com/RebeccaShabad/status/786361293972185088 5:27 PM - 12 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/786362800473911296
But wait!
Robert Costa @costareports
A lawsuit is being drafted now by Trump against the NYT. Very possible it could be announced tonight, though discussions ongoing.
8:46 PM - 12 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/786382661476507648
Trump is a Pig
www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump went crazy today and threatened to sue the New York Times over sexual harassment! Twice in one day!
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The Russians are getting desperate so they are risking being more overt in their desire to see Trump beat Hillary. It's the same message we have been getting from our troll SIG for months now.
Can you imagine the discovery phase of this suit? Trump's lawyers would lock him inside his own gold-plated bathroom to keep him from going through with it.
There is not enough popcorn in the world for this movie.
Brian Stelter @brianstelter
Twice -- Trump threatened to sue during a phone interview Tuesday night, then an attorney sent a legal letter to NYT on Wednesday afternoon https://twitter.com/RebeccaShabad/status/786361293972185088 5:27 PM - 12 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/786362800473911296
But wait!
Robert Costa @costareports
A lawsuit is being drafted now by Trump against the NYT. Very possible it could be announced tonight, though discussions ongoing.
8:46 PM - 12 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/786382661476507648
Can't wait to watch the political talk shows tomorrow.
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Here are the four instances:
“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)
This is inappropriate laughter; it shows callous disregard for the victim (whom everyone appears to believe was really raped, even Hillary).
It is the same as which accompanies "We came, we saw, he died" [laughter]
I wondered whether Hillary was a psychopath in her early days, or if Bill drove her to it. Now I know that it was baked right into the cake. Thanks.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Quote:A defense lawyer will defend clients that are guilty. But if you think the defense ought to take the side of the prosecution when the client is guilty, you don't know how American courts run. That quirkiness in the law is why Hillary did not even want to take this case, but the judge forced her to. That is the unpleasant working conditions of criminal lawyers.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Here are the four instances:
“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)
This is inappropriate laughter; it shows callous disregard for the victim (whom everyone appears to believe was really raped, even Hillary).
It is the same as which accompanies "We came, we saw, he died" [laughter]
I wondered whether Hillary was a psychopath in her early days, or if Bill drove her to it. Now I know that it was baked right into the cake. Thanks.
As Secretary of State, Hillary had meetings with people who are no better than rapists. Her time with criminals in Arkansas was preparation for the Foreign leaders who are crooks, liars, embezzlers, frauds, torturers and mass-murderers.
www.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/putin-and-assad-have-made-fools-of-the-wes
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Here are the four instances:
“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)
This is inappropriate laughter; it shows callous disregard for the victim (whom everyone appears to believe was really raped, even Hillary).
It is the same as which accompanies "We came, we saw, he died" [laughter]
I wondered whether Hillary was a psychopath in her early days, or if Bill drove her to it. Now I know that it was baked right into the cake. Thanks.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
First of all you suggest it shows Hillary acting inappropriately. It shows nothing of the kind. Second, defending the guilty is a necessary part of the rule of law as ugly as it is. You claim Clinton shows a lack of respect for a client while you defend the bombing of hospitals and aid convoys by Russia in Syria. You have no credibility SIG. And you never will again.
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I'm not talking about defending the guilty, which is a necessary part of our justice system. Nor am I posting about having meetings with despicable foreign leaders, which is a necessary part of being Scy State. Maybe if you REREAD my post, you'll stop mis-representing what I said. Sheesh.
MEANWHILE
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Royal Air Force Pilots Ordered To Shoot Down "Hostile" Russian Jets Over Syria
RAF Tornados bombing Isis targets in Iraq are to be armed with air-to-air missiles to protect them from attack by Russian aircraft — as a senior cabinet minister warned that Britain was prepared to shoot down Vladimir Putin’s jets.
Combat aircraft involved in Operation Shader over Iraq will be fitted with Asraam heat-seeking missiles, which can destroy any military aircraft flying today.
A senior defence source said: “Up till now RAF Tornados have been equipped with 500lb satellite-guided bombs — there has been no or little air-to-air threat. But in the last week the situation has changed. We need to respond accordingly.”
The move comes as tensions between the West and Russia escalated last night amid claims that Russia’s bombing raids have overwhelmingly ignored the Isis fighters they claim to be targeting and killed 150 civilians and injured 500 more.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Defence/article161813
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Don't forget that Russia is defending the internationally-recognized government of Syria, and that the UK and USA (along with their jihadist-loving Saudi and Qatari partners) are attempting an ILLEGAL regime change in Syria, "Assad must go" is Hillary's mantra, remember?
This brings the UK and Russia one step closer to outright war, because Russia has declared they will shoot down any hostile aircraft which are operating (illegally) over Syrian territory.
AND ALSO... but first, lets' set the stage: Saudi Arabia is attacking Houthis in Yemen, bombing weddings, funerals and the like. We are supporting the Saudis with jet refueling, intel, munitions and general maintenance. The Houthis are fighting al Qaida (a Saudi creation) in Yemen, hence, we are helping Saudi Arabia, which is helping al Qaida.
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US Joins Yemen Conflict With Cruise Missile Strikes On Anti-Saudi Targets
We can now put away any speculation whether the US will limit its support and arming of Saudi Arabia in its ongoing campaign over Yemen over "war crime" concerns.
Overnight, the U.S. military not only did not rebuke the Saudis for a military campaign that has claimed nearly 10,000 innocent civilian lives, but became the latest entrant in the Yemen offensive, when it launched cruise missile strikes on Thursday to knock out three coastal radar sites in areas of Yemen controlled by Iran-aligned Houthi forces, in what was supposedly a retaliation after failed missile attacks this week on a U.S. Navy destroyer, U.S. officials said.
Cited by Reuters, U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity, said U.S. Navy destroyer USS Nitze launched the Tomahawk cruise missiles around 4 a.m. (0100 GMT). The strikes, authorized by President Barack Obama, represent Washington's first direct military action against suspected Houthi-controlled targets in Yemen's conflict.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-13/us-joins-yemen-conflict-cruis
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I sure hope you like war.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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I sure hope you like war.
You honestly - key word: "Honestly" - think a guy who is as disrespectful of his own daughter is going to be more peaceful? The guy who said, "why can't we use nukes?" The guy who says he will get rid of ISIS in a month - all without knowing anything about the situation and the greater damage he can cause - or civilian lives he would (gladly) sacrifice while cleaning out our bomb arsenal. You've seen his scorched earth debate policy, how he's now claimed that "the shackles are off" which can't be one of the traits you want in someone with their finger on the button.
You can't possibly think that and expect anyone to think you have more than 2 IQ points or even a shred of honesty. OR not think you have an Agenda that makes truth telling secondary.
There's another thing SIG can't rap her head around. You and I G have never defended the United States or our allies when they were wrong. An example of that would be when a hospital, ( doctors without borders ) in Afghanistan was destroyed and it appeared the United States was responsible. We neither defended nor denied the incident. We never posted from unreliable sources that suggested it was done by someone else.
We have more than a years worth of SIG doing that every time when it comes to Russia and it's allies. To this day she denies that Russia invaded the Ukraine. To this day she is the driving force behind the threads created here that are structured in the form of attacks. Attacks designed to promote Putin's agenda and deflect from Russia's aggressions against it's neighbors and in the Middle East. She is nothing more than someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. She has a 100% record when it comes to pushing Russia's propaganda.
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What is the theme for Trump's Debate #3?
Donald Trump’s wild new rhetoric isn’t about winning — it’s about what comes next
Updated by Matthew Yglesias Oct 13, 2016, 2:11p
www.vox.com/2016/10/13/13272608/trump-conspiracy-theory-media
Donald Trump’s speech rebutting the growing swirl of sexual assault charges around him has a lot going on in it, but for my money the most important section came in the middle, when Trump went into a full-bore attack on the press.
“Let’s be clear on one thing,” he said, “The corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism.”
Complaining about media coverage is nothing new from a political campaign, and certainly Hillary Clinton’s team has leveled plenty of complaints of their own. But Trump goes well beyond the standard campaign rhetoric to engage in a wholesale, broad-brush effort to entirely discredit the entire existing media ecosystem. It’s another example of a candidate who is moving beyond trying to win and pivoting to trying to make excuses for himself to lay the groundwork for his next act.
Trump says his followers must entirely reject the press
Trump’s thesis is not that reporters are out of touch with the struggles of ordinary Americans or implicitly biased in favor of liberals. He argues instead that the whole enterprise is root and branch untrustworthy:
They're a political special interest, no different than any lobbyist or other financial entity with a total political agenda, and the agenda is not for you. It's for themselves. And their agenda is to elect Crooked Hillary Clinton at any cost, at any price, no matter how many lives they destroy. For them, it's a war. And for them, nothing at all is out of bounds.
He continued to argue that as a matter of conscience, people on the Trump Train need to reject the existing media ecosystem entirely:
This election will determine whether we're a democracy or, in fact, controlled by a handful of special global interests, rigging the system, and our system is rigged. This is reality. You know it, they know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it. The establishment and their media neighbors wield control over this nation through means that are very well-known. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, rapist, xenophobe, and morally deformed. They will attack you. They will slander you. They will seek to destroy your career and your family.
This is much too broad-brush an argument to possibly work as a winning election campaign. People who get their news from CNN or the New York Times or People or Vox or wherever do so because they like those outlets. Complaining about particular stories or reporters is one thing, but only someone who already lives inside the Trump Bubble is going to find this argument persuasive, and to win an election he needs to reach people outside the bubble.
What this argument does do is offer Trump fans a ready explanation for why Trump lost the election.
Trump needs to salvage his brand
Trump is going to lose the election no matter what he does over the next four weeks. But he can still influence how he is perceived in the wider universe of conservatives. His problem is that the mainstream view among Republican Party elected officials and political operatives is deeply unflattering.
These people, including the ones who are supporting Trump, mostly feel that he is a weak candidate who is likely blowing what should be a very winnable race for the GOP. Many Republicans who sincerely prefer Trump to Clinton, in other words, nonetheless think Trump is bad for the party and hope that after the election he will go away so they can move on to greener pastures.
But taking personal responsibility for his own failings is anathema to Trump. More than a winning strategy, he needs a scapegoat.
And the media is in many ways a perfect scapegoat, because it sets up Trump for a next act.
Trump is likely setting himself up as a media entrepreneur
Despite Trump’s attacks on “the media,” the fact of the matter is that the CEO
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Either Hillary was an effective Scy State who gained a lot of experience on "getting things done", or she was just a token appointee. Take your pick. Those early Wikileaks releases are already showing that she knew our "allies" (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) were funding ISIL. I'm sure there will be more.
Hillary Clinton Exits With 69% Approval Rating
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leaves the post as an overwhelmingly popular figure on the national political stage.
An eye-popping 69% of Americans approve of the job she has done as the country’s top diplomat, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, with a scant 25% disapproving of her performance.
You really need to make you arguments to fourth graders SIG. Every ones knows DASH is made up of professed Sunni. Some of us here know and have discussed Saudi Arabia's complex social programs to distribute its oil wealth amongst its citizens. And then how some of those funds get passed on again, sure. It’s in that process that funding may find its way to DASH. It is also common knowledge that Saudi Arabia funds extremists in order to enlist them into the fight against Iranian (Shia) and Russian aggression against Sunni interests in the Middle East. Even suggesting Hillary knowingly supports DASH just makes you someone who conspires and trolls on behalf of Russia.
It’s obvious SIG the complexities of dealing with our Middle Eastern allies or what the consequences of turning our backs on them might be, is beyond your ability to comprehend. I suggest you stop posting about it.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/17/wsjnbc-poll-hillary-clinton-e
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