Agents of SHIELD/Winter Soldier retrospective connectivity
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UPDATED: Monday, May 12, 2014 02:28
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Having watched a Marvel Cinematic Universe sandwich of "End of the Beginning","Captain America: The Winter Soldier", and "Turn, Turn, Turn" over the last week, I was amazed at the scope and integration of storytelling.
Looking back, this entire season of SHIELD in general, and the "Clairvoyant" arc in particular, dealing as it did with questions of trust and betrayal, formed an excellent wide-canvas thematic prelude to the events of CA:TWS. I predict the remaining season-one episodes, will serve as both an epilogue of that film, and a further prelude to upcoming MCU events and themes. Yeah, it took Joss & company a while to find their sea legs, but in the last few episodes, they haven't just learned to run, they've begun to dance!
Despite their (apparently) weak ocernight ratings(which aren't so bad once you consider the TIVO/DVR/On Demand replay factors), I think SHIELD will get a second season, because after "Guardians of The Galaxy" in August, it's going to be the better part of a year before "Avengers: Age of Ultron" premiers. From Disney/Marvel's corporate point of view, keeping a loss-leader series alive to to bridge that gap in the public consciousness isn't a bad investment.
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Joss and company were actually hampered in their storytelling on SHIELD due to the theatrical schedule of The Winter Soldier. The rest of the season should be quite a ride. I really don't care what the ratings are since I am positive it will get another season. It's an in-house production of ABC/Disney/Marvel, so they will be able to absorb the relatively high cost in spite of low ratings.
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Since so few are posting here, I'll just tack this on to this thread.
A minor point, but when Fitz and Simmons were following Coulson out in the wildreness of nowhere Canada, Simmons made the off hand comment " At least we still have each other " , to which Fitz replied " Yeah, good. 'Cause the last thing I want is for things to change."
( Sounds like the two are clearly agreeing on this point, right ? Guess again )
Simmons replies " Fitz, it’s too late for that "
Wait, what ?? Is she talking about how the whole world is turning upside down, w/ SHIELD being put through a blender, OR ... is she referring to her and Fitz ?
Because i'm all manner of lost on exactly where they stand w/ each other, and if Fitz is carrying a torch for Simmons that can't be returned in kind ? Which begs the question... what the hell did she mean when she said they STILL had each other. STILL implies a continuation of what was already in place, does it not ? Or was she being flippant, and a bit sarcastic, in an off hand way, implying they really DON'T have each other, despite their current proximity to one another, and that she was trying to find something positive, when in fact, she really didn't see much to be happy about at all.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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My take on that is: "they still have each other," meaning the members of their team as a working unit in spite of the rest of SHIELD being in a shambles, but "it's too late for that" means that things have already changed, since she has the hots for Triplett.
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
My take on that is: "they still have each other," meaning the members of their team as a working unit in spite of the rest of SHIELD being in a shambles, but "it's too late for that" means that things have already changed, since she has the hots for Triplett.
It makes sense, but it's also one of my pet peeves w/ how Joss writes. ( or how his stories end up ). There's always a odd misunderstanding, " Am I a lion ? ", or even more so, when Tracy goes and threatens Kaylee, because HE thinks they're gonna hand him over to the Alliance bounty thugs. Truth of it , MAL got Tracy killed, and for no real good reason. But anyone could have told him , right away, - ' Cops are out of their jurisdiction , and we have them more than they have us! '
But Mal didn't do that. None of them did. And Tracy, desperate as he was...well, you know the rest.
As for Simmons's comment... she was speaking TO Fitz. She COULD have said " we all have each other ", referring to the group. But she didn't. And she should have KNOWN that her words could been taken by Fitz differently than she had intended.
( Sidebar - Wasn't there already a moment in the series where Fitz basically told Simmons how he felt about her, and she gave him the ' I like you - as a FRIEND ' brush off ? )
As for Triplett... isn't this sort of Fred and Gunn, all over again ? With Fitz playing the role of Wesley ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Also, in respect to the Wes-Gunn-Fred dynamic, as an avid Wes-Fred shipper, I'm not quite sure I could go through that again.
So , does this mean Simmons is next up for the Whedon death pool ?
" shipper " ? Not sure I've heard that term before.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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" shipper " ? Not sure I've heard that term before.
It refers to the relationship you want to see developed in a show. It's a very common expression these days.
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Simmons may be the first to die, because I'm betting she's Hydra too. The line about how she's a terrible liar and she's says "I'm getting better at it" was just a little too odd for me. Also, when Hand tests her and Triplett I felt like she knew that Hand wasn't Hydra, because someone that high up in SHIELD would be a known Hydra agent most likely. So, she just played along with the "I'm part of SHIELD" thing. What I haven't decided is if her and Ward had any idea the other was Hydra. Anyway that's my prediction and if she is Hydra I could see her getting killed over it.
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I don't think she's HYDRA, but do think she will be first to die.
Actually, kinda surprised she's lasted this long. 
How do you all feel about Fitz taking up the offer to become a high ranking HYDRA scientist?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" shipper " ? Not sure I've heard that term before.
It refers to the relationship you want to see developed in a show. It's a very common expression these days.
Is that like 'tude?
Or 'verse?
Sorry, I don't get out much .
As for Simmons / Fitz = Fred / Wesley? Speak of the devil , look who shows up...
She looks good .
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I don't think she's HYDRA, but do think she will be first to die.
Actually, kinda surprised she's lasted this long.
Simmons? That'd be 1 more similarity between her & Fred.
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