Crystal ball time....
POSTED BY: Wishimay
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 10:26
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Ok, prognosticaters- who is gonna win? Not who you WANT to win but who will ACTUALLY win??
I predict Obummer will win again, solely because the thumbs up thumbs down comment things are almost always in favor of him.
Four more damn years of the same people blathering on about the same things in the same way...I swear- when he actually gets out of office the people who have been whining non-stop are going to have a nervous breakdown because after eight years they will have to wear out new paths on their keyboards and then have to find something ELSE to blame and whine about...But this is 'Merica, and that IS our national past-time, after all......I think they'll recover.... 
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I think Romney. Obama looks weak, and Romney is making a lot of promises.
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Can the Election Be Bought?
If Romney wins, I will think it was. (2004)
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Polls in swing states tend to favor Obama either by a fair margin or a smidge. National polls favor Romney by a lot, or call them even, or Obama by a very little. The last time I checked which was yesterday Nate Silver (538 blog) had quit having kittens over the poll split and was calling it for Obama, all things staying the same. My gut is telling me that Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters and are energetic about getting rid of the black Muslim un-American Kenyan communist. OTOH people who favor Obama aren't enthusiastic, mostly they're tired of the whole thing and might just rather stay home. Payback is a bitch.
Given that the numbers are mixed/ close but the Romney side has fired-up intention and energy, I guess I'd go with Romney since they have a better chance of getting out the vote. I also wouldn't rule out voting machine shenanigans.
ETA: originally I would have said Obama as an off-the-cuff response b/c I haven’t done a lot of thinking about this and I was going along w/ 538 blog. But SignyM has an accurate eye for these things, so I went back and thought about it. What is my gut telling me? It's telling me that the people who want to get rid of Obama are far more focused than the people who want to keep him.
So it's not true that this website never changed my mind about anything!
OTOH while I THINK that Romney will win, I HOPE that Obama will. There is no upside to a Romney win that I can think of. Some people think it means that people like little rapey, Geezer and 'Hero' will have to live with the consequences of their ideas, hit bottom and come to their senses. But for them, if an idea doesn’t work it's not b/c it's faulty, it's b/c they haven't hewed to it ENOUGH. For them, there is no bottom to hit, no light to see, no revelation to embrace, no change possible. If past predicts the future, using little rapey as an example, the salient fact that though Bush engineered a pedal-to-the-metal economic crash without hitting the brakes EVEN ONCE, has yet to be recognized by little rapey et al as the reality that it is. That means to me no amount of reality is enough to overcome their delusions.
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I think it will be a dead heat.
Then Romney and Obama will have to arm wrestle to see who becomes Pres. Obama will win, but only after some tense moments when it will appear it might go either way. He may be wirey, but he's strong.
Or they might play a game of Rollerball to the death. Romney would win that one, and then introduce the Hunger Games. Or maybe create an evangelic America, a la Handmaid's Tale mode.
Or there could be a zombie apocalypse and everyone dies and no will care about the presidental election/
Geex, the things I do to avoid assignments.
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Obama wins. A lot of right wingers are fundamentalist Christians and as much as they may tell folk they're "for Romney," when they are alone in the voting booth they won't be able to bring themselves to vote for a satanic cultist. It'll be interesting because there should be a noticeable discrepancy between exit polls saying yea Romney and actual votes counted from folks who couldn't pull for the Mormon. This will fuel a lot of very nasty insinuations from the right and there will be protests and I am here predicting that there will be armed violence coming from the right after the election. I can't tell how bad it's gonna get in general, but in some quarters it's gonna get pretty bad. Not Zombie Apocalypse bad, but overturning cars and setting fires bad and some shootings. There's gonna be an uptick in violent crimes against black people. I've got plenty more in my crystal ball but I've already strayed pretty far from the question at hand.
Obama wins decisively in the EC, and not so decisively if at all in the popular vote.
HKCavalier
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I don't want either of them to win, but truthfully, I don't see how Obama even has decent polls now. We're all, the middle class I mean, a lot more poorer now than we were when GWB left office, granted his administration may have gotten that ball rolling for all of us.
According to a recent paper I read, over 40% of kids in the US today get free lunch. 40%!!!! I'm sure the national figure was a lot higher, but at my HS, only like 3 kids had it and I sure wouldn't want to have been on the receiving end of the jokes made at their expense when they didn't pay for their food with actual money. :(
The article wasn't about how appalling that figure is, but it was using that as a statistic to show how appalling that only less than 12% got free breakfast when they're obviously starving at home!
WTF?
What do these kids eat come summer break! I LOVED summer break when I was a kid, but not so much if I had to beat up other kids for food or get beat up for my food. (DISCLAIMER: I lived in a 2 bedroom house with my 2 brothers and shared a bunk bed with a pull out trundle that couldn't even be elevated because it hit the dressers before it cleared the bottom bunk).
We always had food and water and I'm sure we made our parents lives hell asking for video games and such on their divorced incomes.... We lived in a house the size of what Obama's or Romney's servants would call a bathroom.
We always ate though. And thought I didn't understand it I always felt bad for Jeff in my Kintergarten class who got his milk for free, and why he would. Looking back on it, my teacher Ms. Casey was a real bitch for letting us know that.
No need to worry about those feelings now though I guess since nearly 50% get free milk, huh?
Republicans = Trickle down wealth......
Democrats = Start 'em young and unable to take care of themselves without government freebies and make it trickle up.....
In 20 years, every meaningful city in this country will resemble Gary, IN.
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Obama isn't for free lunch, didn't you hear, he wants everyone to pay their fair share. How dare those pesky kids think they can get away with free lunch and free milk.
Honestly, those 47% good-for-nothing n'er-do-wells.
Still though, have you ever tried to cut into a slab of guvmint cheese. Boy oh boy, that was eatin' Ahhhhhh, memories. Well, at 10 years old it was better than working for a living.
Just think how much better off we'd be after Romney wins. Jobs for everyone, balanced budget, no wars and those lazy 47% SOBs will finally have to work for a living. Lilly Ledbedder would finally go back into the kitchen where she belongs and a certain European leftist would sent back to Kenya where he belongs.
Why he may even bring back the Packard, or was it the Edsel? Yes, Mitt, Mitt he's our man.......
This just in: Mitt Romney Wins Presidency, Reveals He's Really a Mexican Posing as A Rich White Dude.
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The electoral vote ends in a tie 270-270.
The majority Republicans in the House select Ronald Reagan for President, but right before the final vote is cast someone reminds John Boehner that Reagan is dead. When he finds out about that he asks who the Republican nominee is, and then they choose Romney as President.
The majority Democrats in the Senate get into a heated battle over who will be VP. It comes down to Joe Biden or Ellen DeGeneres. DeGeneres prevails, and becomes the first female VP in American history. Plus she's gay.
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I've believed that for a long, long time. What saddens/scares me about that what it says about racism still being alive and well in the U.S.--subconsciously if not consciously.
Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters
I'm not going to predict, I'm too afraid to at this point. A Romney administration scares the hell out of me. Not because of what HE'd do if it were up to him, I think he'll always twist with the wind, but beause I think the real power would be with Ryan, the Tea Party and all those Bush advisors who work for him, and that what they'd do to the country if they got power would be devastating.
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Obama is just as much European as he is African ancestrally, people always seem to forget that. At any rate I could care less what his ethnic background is and I don't see how its relevent to his policies, his opinions or anything else of substance. I don't support him as president again, but assuming that I don't support him because of his "race" is childish and simplistic.
That being said I don't support Romney either, he's a loser. I predict Obama will whin again though.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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I predict Obama.
I want him to win, but I base this on the track record uv hiz biggest asset: Romney!
He iz a serial blunderer, and, if he haznt alredy with hiz China Jeep commercialz, he will say sumthing so stupid in the next week to piss off hiz base so bad they wont bother to vote, or will go for a 3rd party candidate.
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PS
Do you know therez a commentator on MSNBC named Krystal Ball?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystal_Ball
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Originally posted by Niki2:Quote:I've believed that for a long, long time. What saddens/scares me about that what it says about racism still being alive and well in the U.S.--subconsciously if not consciously.
Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters
Did you consciously or subconsciously draw the conclusion that people who dislike Obama must be racist?
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Neither. You need to use your critical thinking skills. Just because racism OBVIOUSLY plays a part in the Republican ("Southern") strategy, doesn't mean everyone who votes for someone other than Obama is racist. Kinda interesting that folk on the right keep misunderstanding that point.
HKCavalier
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Joe, I'm one of those people who voted third party, Pacific Green to be exact, I figured any third party candidate would do to send the message that I'm not interested in the two choices proffered.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:Quote:I've believed that for a long, long time. What saddens/scares me about that what it says about racism still being alive and well in the U.S.--subconsciously if not consciously.
Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters
Did you consciously or subconsciously draw the conclusion that people who dislike Obama must be racist?
Niki apparently drew the conclusion that a significant amount of the hatred out there directed at Obama comes out of racism. Is she wrong?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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KPO and Cav answered well for me (KPO, of COURSE he thinks I'm wrong, silly one--how many times have they screamed that there's no racist component to wanting to defeat Obama right HERE?). I'm afraid I have to call bullshit on the repeated tactic of "if you don't agree with people, you call them ...". It's a stupid tactic, gets the person saying it nowhere, and just shows a dearth of logic. Equally so the cries that "the left calls everything racism". Sometimes it HAS been called racism when it's not, but the vast majority of the time it is a planned tactic to appeal to racism, whether conscious or subconscious.
The birth certificate thing, the "He needs to behave more like an American", "Do we still call it a White House", and so much, MUCH more show that politicians know about the conscious/subconscious racism (and creating the "otherness" of your opponent) and have played to it for all they're worth...quite effectively. It's the VISCERAL hatred that eventually convinced me (AGAINST what I wanted to believe, by the way).
I have absolutely NO problem with people who want to defeat Obama for rational reasons, or who disagree with me. He's failed on numerous fronts, but in my opinion he hasn't been nearly as disasterous for this country as Republicans like to scream from the highest mountain top...in fact I think he's done perhaps the best anyone could do to dig us out of this shit hole. Many things I don't like about him, but I don't like them on a logical level (with bias on some issues where I SHOULD like them, no doubt).
The Southern Strategy is real; it's been proven, it's even been admitted to by some on the right--even some politicians. What they've done to try and defeat Obama is just another version; they learned racism is a strong motivator, whether conscious or subconscious, and from the Southern Strategy they learned many things which have stood them in good stead in their efforts to defeat Obama.
I did not want to believe racism was such a big component of those trying to defeat him. I also DID not (not even didn't want to) believe the Republican Party would ACTUALLY obstruct just about everything, even things that were for the good of the country. I have been forced to change my opinion on both those issues by watching what has happened to this country the past 3-1/2 years. Both sicken me, but I've been literally FORCED to accept their truth.
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I should hope she's wrong, I know she's wrong in my case, though I don't think you could call my lack of support for Obama getting a second term hatred, I don't feel particularly hateful about the whole affair. But I don't want Romney running things either, no matter what happens I'll be dissatisfied.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Riona, of course I don't mean you--or the MILLIONS of other people who don't want Obama for a second term and/or are voting for Romney for reasons they have thought out. My reason for backing Obama is a fair amount of "I don't want Romney running things"--and from what I've learned, I firmly believe it WOULDN'T be Romney running things--it would be Ryan, the Tea Party, and the same people who "ran" Dubya. THEY actually scare me a lot more than Romney, who mostly blows with the wind. But he WILL blow with the wind, I believe, and they are the wind that would sweep across this nation to its detriment.
Heard a right-wing pundit arguing that Romney has been pro-choice, believed in global warming, etc., and that once in office, he would return to the middle. The response was that he'll want a second term, and to get one, he has to swing right just like he did in the primary. I believe that to be true. I hope we don't get the chance to find out.
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Bah, the fix was in MONTHS ago, Obama by 12-15 pts
That's before the inevitable "electronic advantage" weighs in on the back of various vote suppression tactics by the GOP, so even a slim margin "win" means in essence a complete repudiation, here.
I however WILL be tremendously entertained if the GOP's insanity and just plain sheer mean dickheadedness provokes a tidal wave, they're already pissed away the elderly and female as voting blocs, so what they got left but a TINY minority of exceptionally loud and obnoxious jackboot lickers ?
-F
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I dont think its fair for anywun to be disappointed in Obama, Rionaeire. Therez no telling how much more he coud hav gotten dun if haf the country wuznt working against him.
The Republicanz decided they are Republicanz first, Americanz second.
I think it woud be great to do away with partyz all together; make it illegal to make decisionz based on party.
The way it iz now, its like trying to run a factory in wich all the employeez are memberz uv either uv 2 street gangz - all they do iz work against each other, including sabatajing each otherz work, thus ruining the product and eventually bringing the company down.
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Reminds me of something
Europe English
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".
In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.
By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.
After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!
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Originally posted by JO753:
I dont think its fair for anywun to be disappointed in Obama, Rionaeire. Therez no telling how much more he coud hav gotten dun if haf the country wuznt working against him.
The Republicanz decided they are Republicanz first, Americanz second.
I think it woud be great to do away with partyz all together; make it illegal to make decisionz based on party.
The way it iz now, its like trying to run a factory in wich all the employeez are memberz uv either uv 2 street gangz - all they do iz work against each other, including sabatajing each otherz work, thus ruining the product and eventually bringing the company down.
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Why do your write like this?
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!
Ha! Brilliant!
Back on topic, I admit to being annoyed by all the "they must hate O because he's black" stuff. OK, clearly racism is still, sadly, alive and well in the USofA. But the hatred of O is not so simple as black-therefore-evil. Really, we can't overlook how even the most backwards cons loved Herman Cain. And Clarence Thomas (?)
I don't know exactly what to call what it really is, except a hatred of the "Other". In these RWA minds, someone who looks Other on top of acting Other and espousing the polices of Other is evil. But someone who looks Other can be forgiven if they act and talk Non-Other. A black person in power is OK as long as they are 100% on the right side of the issues. And I do mean the Right side. /snicker
There might an indirect racism, based on how Obama's presidency and his background bring racial issues to light that some people would rather avoid. That might stir up a kind of latent aggression. But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.
My crystal ball: I bet that if a black man (or even a black woman) ran for president in 2016 on a hard-core Tea Party platform, they'd be loved by the TPers. I don't think I'll get a chance to test this, so I can only point to Hermann Cain. His blackness didn't matter. There, issues trumped skin color.
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Magons, this prompts me to respond in leet. Does anyone really want that outcome?
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To wear out the spelling cop in everybodyz brainz.
It actually haz a direct connection to this topic!
The republican party haz been able to get away with foisting all sorts uv total nonsense upon the public only bekuz we hav been conditioned to accept it our whole livez. Goofy English spelling iz forced upon children while they are in their formative yirz, training them to accept everything handed down from Authority without question. Politicianz depend on this and count on most people not bothering to check their claimz.
Romney and Ryan hav amped this up to a whole new level, not only blathering out all sorts uv spur uv the moment 'statistics', 'facts', 'lojik', and general claimz, but constantly contradicting themselvez directly or thru their spokespersonz. Gullibility iz their best frend.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.
And everyone here agrees with you. Who are you arguing against?
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.
And everyone here agrees with you. Who are you arguing against?
Mostly Niki, bless her heart. Also, many random commenters about the net go with the racism thing. It's not exactly uncommon. I don't tend to post anywhere else, so all the venting comes out here.
Niki - you do seem to jump to racism faster than I'd like. I don't always get to every word of your posts, so maybe I missed it, but I don't see you allowing for the complexities of the situation.
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Originally posted by JO753:
To wear out the spelling cop in everybodyz brainz.
It actually haz a direct connection to this topic!
The republican party haz been able to get away with foisting all sorts uv total nonsense upon the public only bekuz we hav been conditioned to accept it our whole livez. Goofy English spelling iz forced upon children while they are in their formative yirz, training them to accept everything handed down from Authority without question. Politicianz depend on this and count on most people not bothering to check their claimz.
So it is spelling's fault? Holy shit just when I thought I've seen every type of nutjob on the net something new comes along.
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Damn it, stop making me smile.
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I don't know exactly what to call what it really is, except a hatred of the "Other". In these RWA minds, someone who looks Other on top of acting Other and espousing the polices of Other is evil. But someone who looks Other can be forgiven if they act and talk Non-Other. A black person in power is OK as long as they are 100% on the right side of the issues. And I do mean the Right side. /snicker
There might an indirect racism, based on how Obama's presidency and his background bring racial issues to light that some people would rather avoid. That might stir up a kind of latent aggression. But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.
Mal, as far as I'm concerned, I guess you missed "the MILLIONS of other people who don't want Obama for a second term and/or are voting for Romney for reasons they have thought out." Nowhere did I intend to imply that racism is the ONLY reason for either the voting against Obama or the hatred of him, or that "the hatred of O is ... black-therefore-evil". Nor would I. And by "politicians know about the conscious/subconscious racism (and creating the "otherness" of your opponent)", I was referring to just what you wrote. I was noting what you called the "latent aggression" which I believe affected SOME people--I wouldn't even try to guess what percentage of the electorate. In my OPINION, this wouldn't be as close an election if the "Otherness" thing hadn't been played to the hilt by politicians, and that otherness at least in part is because he's Black.
Hope I've cleared that up, with regard to me at least.
Ooops, Cav, I missed this one: "And everyone here agrees with you. Who are you arguing against?"
Oh, and now I see Mal4's reference to me specifically. Mal4, I find your belief that I "jump to racism faster than" you like interesting. Certainly I despise racism, bigotry and discrimination of any kind so much it makes my blood boil. It's always been a pet "peeve" (tho' that's way too mild a word!) of mine. But I think you have an erroneous picture of me, in my opinion. That I speak up about it doesn't, to me, indicate that I jump to it fast, only that I post about it when in other cases I wouldn't bother. I'm sad you see me that way.
Perhaps it's partly that I've seen such overt racism/otherness (surely I don't need to provide examples?) in the past three-plus years and this election that I'm posting about it more than I would if it were otherwise. I've also posted a LOT about the bald-faced lying, which bothers me just as much. I truly hate the way politicians manipulate the electorate, and these are the two things currently which piss me off the most.
How you view me is how you view me, but I don't think it's accurate.
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Oh, and now I see Mal4's reference to me specifically. Mal4, I find your belief that I "jump to racism faster than" you like interesting.
I don't mean to suggest I think ill of you, and since I do lurk lots of places I may have your comments twisted up with stronger statements I've seen elsewhere. But I am pretty sure you've said things like: "They hate Obama enough to do XYZ and I can't see why so they must just hate him because he's black..." Right? You have gone along those lines? I certainly don't mean to beat you up over it, I've just always wanted to reply... well no. If he was still black but said the stuff Cain says, it'd be all right.
Again, this is not that I think ill of you in any way. It's more of small bit of preaching that's been building up for a while and came out all at once. HK seemed to think it obvious, but to my knowledge no one on RWED has dismissed the racism call the way I just did, though the "they hate Obama because he's black" thing has certainly been said here.
HK - if my refudiation [that's MY word Sarah!] has already been posted, my apologies. I hadn't seen it.
Quote:No doubt. It is HUGELY aggravating. But I don't think it's based on Obama being black. It's because he represents a power shift that frightens the bigoted, and certainly part of that is racism but not direct racism toward Obama's particular color.
I've also posted a LOT about the bald-faced lying, which bothers me just as much. I truly hate the way politicians manipulate the electorate, and these are the two things currently which piss me off the most.
So, perhaps the bigots feel more free to be assholes to Obama because he's black? They might be more respectful in their disagreement if he was white? OK, that I could see.
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...Okay, clearly I'm not as 1337erate as I thought.
1-|-2 @ ]Dv22L'D
I think I know the first word/abbreviation, but the other three have officially thrown me.
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My take?
Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed.
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There iz an element uv bigotry to it, but its also anti-liberal/Democrat, and anti-intellectual.
Take away any uv the 3 and the blind oppozition evaporates. Take Herman Cain for example; not a Dem and not intellectual. Take Colin Powell; Conservative and intellectual.
Even tho Obama iz not a liberal frum a liberalz perspective, the GoPs just assume he iz. Humanz luv to simplify with labelz.
The total effect iz that many people WANT to believe anything negativ about Obama. Its why the Tea Party began and why it wuz so successfful. Its why Fox 'Newz' iz so successful. Its why Glen Beck, a complete fool, earnz 30,000,000$ per yir.
Click the Nooalf link if you think I'm rong about the spelling. I'm not saying its the only reazon so many people are stupid and gullible, but its a major contributing factor.
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Originally posted by JO753:Click the Nooalf link if you think I'm rong about the spelling. I'm not saying its the only reazon so many people are stupid and gullible, but its a major contributing factor.
Or you can't spell for shit and are to lazy to learn or even use spell check.
I may comment on the rest of your post as soon as I can read it.
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Originally posted by JO753:Click the Nooalf link if you think I'm rong about the spelling. I'm not saying its the only reazon so many people are stupid and gullible, but its a major contributing factor.
Or you can't spell for shit and are to lazy to learn or even use spell check.
I may comment on the rest of your post as soon as I can read it.
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>_> Why even care? It's a stylistic posting choice, with absolutely no impact on any of you. Let the kid have his z's and k's and whatnot. It's not like we're talking about a conspiracy theory about spelling and grammar where the guy drops out of college and goes crazy and shoots up a parking lot... Wait. Bad example.
I'm serious though. Poor spelling doesn't necessarily mean troll. Let's give the kid a chance here and look past the meaningless aesthetics.
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The polls seem to have broke in Obama's favour now - at a good time. Obama to win the electoral college comfortably, and the national vote very slightly. Probably more low, dishonest, dirty tactics from the Romney campaign over the next few days.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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>_> Why even care? It's a stylistic posting choice, with absolutely not impact on any of you. Let the kid have his z's and k's and whatnot. It's not like we're talking about a conspiracy theory about spelling and grammar where the guy drops out of college and goes crazy and shoots up a parking lot... Wait. Bad example.
I'm serious though. Poor spelling doesn't necessarily mean troll. Let's give the kid a chance here and look past the meaningless aesthetics.
Here's the thing, as far as I'm concerned: If I have to waste time trying to decipher some idiot's phonetic spelling and mangling of the language, then I'm not likely to bother.
Use your words; it's all we have between us, our only form of communication. If you can't be bothered to write real language, I can't be bothered to spend real time reading your posts.
You might have something profound to say, but many will never know, because we just pass right over your posts.
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I usually just read those posts imagining that someone is trying to talk politics during a syrup drinking context.
It makes everything better forever.
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Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.
Your behavior in this thread is pretty hard evidence that JO is on to something. Who knew it was so easy to bring out the fascist in people? Sorry, I'm just a little freaked out at how abusive your language has gotten so instantaneously with a total stranger.
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I suppose I should also not immediately assume they are a kid, even with all the trendy z's and k's. I apologize JO753.
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To wear out the spelling cop in everybodyz brainz.
It actually haz a direct connection to this topic!
The republican party haz been able to get away with foisting all sorts uv total nonsense upon the public only bekuz we hav been conditioned to accept it our whole livez. Goofy English spelling iz forced upon children while they are in their formative yirz, training them to accept everything handed down from Authority without question. Politicianz depend on this and count on most people not bothering to check their claimz.
Romney and Ryan hav amped this up to a whole new level, not only blathering out all sorts uv spur uv the moment 'statistics', 'facts', 'lojik', and general claimz, but constantly contradicting themselvez directly or thru their spokespersonz. Gullibility iz their best frend.
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Ok, I kinda see your point - I don't agree with all of it, but I see what you're going for.
But to be honest - its a chore to try to read such.... creative spelling, and I don't imagine Ill bother trying if you continue to write like that (uniform spelling has a reason, and this is why).
Nothing personal, just not worth the effort to decode.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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As to "There iz an element uv bigotry to it, but its also anti-liberal/Democrat, and anti-intellectual", I agree with quite a bit of that post.
Mal4, I'm not sure how you're interpreting ""They hate Obama enough to do XYZ and I can't see why so they must just hate him because he's black..." Don't think I've ever said that, and not sure what your interpretation is.
I don't get "I've just always wanted to reply... well no. If he was still black but said the stuff Cain says, it'd be all right" either. I don't think I've addressed what Obama SAID, just some people's attitude toward him as President. The lying part has NOTHING to do with racism; sorry if I confused you. It's merely a completely separate thing (tho' used occasionally) which bugs the hell out of me, whoever it comes from and whoever it's aimed at. You actually nailed how I feel about a lot of it with "perhaps the bigots feel more free to be assholes to Obama because he's black? They might be more respectful in their disagreement if he was white?"
I didn't think you were picking on me at all, and I didn't take offense. I just wanted to clarify how I view it--certainly I COULD be jumping on the race thing too quickly, but I don't THINK I do. Please don't let any preaching build up--I have no problem hearing about it, and WANT to, as well as my bugaboo about solving misunderstandings, as exhibited by the fact that I've tried to change font color, etc., when it bothers people--SOME people, others can take a flying leap. If I don't like the preaching, I just ignore it (or snark back, in some cases).
PS - Mike: I'm making a conscious effort to put a line break between the end of quotes and my own text...is that better?
Concerning this spelling thing, as some know I'm in love with language and (tho' I don't mention it here--or don't much), and about spelling. I recognize our education system has gone down the toilet, and to me it's reflected by how MUCH misspelling I see here, in newspapers, and everywhere else. So me, it offends.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the Nooalf link and don't know what the word is supposed to mean. I think the ability to use our language even slightly properly is being badly disintegrated by Twitter, etc., and I don't want to see it get worse. Language is language; ALL languages have their problems, it's evolved over time. I don't like the way it's evolving and don't want to see it here; personal opinion only.
Lastly, I agree with Mike: "If I have to waste time trying to decipher (someone's) phonetic spelling and mangling of the language, then I'm not likely to bother." I haven't bothered with several of his threads because of this. And I suppose a lot of my feeling about this is based on " Use your words; it's all we have between us, our only form of communication." It's hard enough to communicate perfectly over the internet (or otherwise); why make it harder?
Out of curiosity, what is the language Mal4 and others are using?
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But to be honest - its a chore to try to read such.... creative spelling, and I don't imagine Ill bother trying if you continue to write like that (uniform spelling has a reason, and this is why).
Acht, ye lot wad bin trammeled on th' lykes o Chaucer an' Shakespeare baith.
Since I'm not as 1337 as I thought perhaps I'll start typing entirely in 1700s Scottish English.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with the Nooalf link and don't know what the word is supposed to mean. I think the ability to use our language even slightly properly is being badly disintegrated by Twitter, etc., and I don't want to see it get worse. Language is language; ALL languages have their problems, it's evolved over time. I don't like the way it's evolving and don't want to see it here; personal opinion only.
Lastly, I agree with Mike: "If I have to waste time trying to decipher (someone's) phonetic spelling and mangling of the language, then I'm not likely to bother." I haven't bothered with several of his threads because of this. And I suppose a lot of my feeling about this is based on " Use your words; it's all we have between us, our only form of communication." It's hard enough to communicate perfectly over the internet (or otherwise); why make it harder?
Out of curiosity, what is the language Mal4 and others are using?
:D
It is Leet! (Leet, from "elite," aft render'd 1337). Symbolic substitution cipher. Replacing letters with what looks like them: |i]<3 $(). Sprinkle with abbreviations, shorthand, slang, mispellings, and references for added obscurity. Fun chance to break out the creativity.
M`/ <3.luv 4 1337 i5 u~!]^0n3>< ]3u-|- 373 ]>r0]D]Dt 1r0n4c7ly.
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Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.
Your behavior in this thread is pretty hard evidence that JO is on to something. Who knew it was so easy to bring out the fascist in people? Sorry, I'm just a little freaked out at how abusive your language has gotten so instantaneously with a total stranger.
Well total strangers should not come here and post in moronic ways. If someone wants to purposely mangle language and don't what to hear anything negative about it they can go elsewhere.
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Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.
Your behavior in this thread is pretty hard evidence that JO is on to something. Who knew it was so easy to bring out the fascist in people? Sorry, I'm just a little freaked out at how abusive your language has gotten so instantaneously with a total stranger.
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o SHER aisle trie two typ ownlie inn l3375p34k form naugh awn k?
ay3 g3t ur ^.
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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Byte - did that stuff you posted actually have meaning? I thought you were totally making it up, so I posted nonsense back so we could have a nonsense conversation. Too funny that there might be actual meaning in what you posted! Look kinda like Perl regular expressions to me.
Regarding the newcomer's spelling: I chat here when it's fun, and sorting out mumbo jumbo isn't fun. I think anyone who posts like that when no one else does is rather lazy and self-centered. This schmoe, kid or not, thinks that strangers have nothing else to do but sort out his/her bizarre language. Hey, it's fun with friends, but introducing yourself to a new group this way is just asking to be ignored. I will oblige.
Sorry, newbie. You seem a decent chap/chappette, but the teacher in me wants you to learn something about how you ought to present yourself to new folks.
It's the reason I demand that my science students learn to express themselves, both with math and actual written English. Solving tough problems is nice, but if you can't explain your work you'll get no where.
Niki - so maybe it's with lame posters on Huff and such that I've built up my need to preach. Glad we agree.
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Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.
Its not a matter of can't - its won't.
No vitriol involved - just not going to play that game.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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ay3 g3t ur ^.
Oh my gosh we're doing this, we're making this happen.
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Byte - did that stuff you posted actually have meaning? I thought you were totally making it up, so I posted nonsense back so we could have a nonsense conversation. Too funny that there might be actual meaning in what you posted! Look kinda like Perl regular expressions to me.
Regarding the newcomer's spelling: I chat here when it's fun, and sorting out mumbo jumbo isn't fun. I think anyone who posts like that when no one else does is rather lazy and self-centered. This schmoe, kid or not, thinks that strangers have nothing else to do but sort out his/her bizarre language. Hey, it's fun with friends, but introducing yourself to a new group this way is just asking to be ignored. I will oblige.
Sorry, newbie. You seem a decent chap/chappette, but the teacher in me wants you to learn something about how you ought to present yourself to new folks.
It's the reason I demand that my science students learn to express themselves, both with math and actual written English. Solving tough problems is nice, but if you can't explain your work you'll get no where.
Niki - so maybe it's with lame posters on Huff and such that I've built up my need to preach. Glad we agree.
Yup. If I wanted to decipher somebody's own made-up non-language, I'd go sit through "Nell" again. And it wasn't any fun the first time, and there's a reason I've never watched it again. ;)
Oh, crap - I realize now I accidentally slipped back into English. So sorry to those who could grok my meaning...
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Byte - did that stuff you posted actually have meaning? I thought you were totally making it up, so I posted nonsense back so we could have a nonsense conversation. Too funny that there might be actual meaning in what you posted! Look kinda like Perl regular expressions to me.
]>a`/4mn, but that's still impressive. I give you credit anyway for all these [sic] ]3ur~2. Dangled myself off some unintentional b8 then flopped my way over to the ph7r3.
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o SHER aisle trie two typ ownlie inn l3375p34k form naugh awn k?
ay3 g3t ur ^.
Oh my gosh we're doing this, we're making this happen.
<3
Yup, that just happened.
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:o It is a bad spelling grammar mess in the street hilarity puzzle COMBO!
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I suppose I should also not immediately assume they are a kid, even with all the trendy z's and k's. I apologize JO753.]
He's not a kid, and he's been on the main board for a year or so...As a parent of a kid who isn't wired to understand English because it really doesn't make any logical sense or stick to it's own rules, I get what he's saying and I think picking on someone who is just communicating in a way that is most comfortable for him is massively ignorant.(EDIT...It took me a few to wrap my brain around it too, but it is actually easy for me to read now. And I did it without picking at him. I get trying to understand a diffrent point of view is hard, but you'd think being Browncoats and not being mainstream we'd get it)
Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...
PS. NOT directed at you Byte. Your post was simply easier to edit out a coherant thought.
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Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...
Oh, please.
There is a big difference between not learning a second language perfectly, and deliberately obfuscating langauge in order to be "kewl."
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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He's not a kid, and he's been on the main board for a year or so...As a parent of a kid who isn't wired to understand English because it really doesn't make any logical sense or stick to it's own rules, I get what he's saying and I think picking on someone who is just communicating in a way that is most comfortable for him is massively ignorant.
Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...
Or go overseas and just yell at people in English, and keep yelling louder and louder, and then wonder why they won't understand us.
Next time I'm in Brazil I'll be sure the tell them all how stupid their language is, then just make up my own and call them ignorant for not figuring it out.
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...
Oh, please.
There is a big difference between not learning a second language perfectly, and deliberately obfuscating langauge in order to be "kewl."
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
No kidding.
In order to learn a second language, one must know a FIRST language!
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?
Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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Actually, he can post in proper English. I think he does it to make a point, and he's got a brass set for even trying these days. Trying to make people think diffrently now is rediculously hard.
I've always thought we could make our language much simpler by just removing lowercase letters as children spend about two years learning the diffrence and it makes it harder for immigrants, but I know people would never be able to expand their brains to learn that THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY YELLING. ALSO IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH EYE PROBLEMS TO READ, but unfortunately is harder for some dyslexics.
Get out of yer comfort zone every once in a while people. Grow a leetle bit.
Alos msot of yuo souhld eb albe to rade THIS, thanks to our brain, so you should be able to figure out Jo's post with only slight effort... Maybe put yourself in anothers brain-shoes for a spell.............
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If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?
Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?
Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.
And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.
Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.
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Lasta lalaithamin.
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Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.
Its not a matter of can't - its won't.
No vitriol involved - just not going to play that game.
I got no prollem with that. You've been perfectly decent about it. We can criticize another's post without making them out to be "idiots" and "nutjobs" and "lazy."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?
Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?
Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.
And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.
Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.
I like to help the people in spanish countries orient themselves in MMORPGs, since sometimes South America and Central American countries overlap servers, or they've arrived there by accident. I don't speak more than a little bit of spanish, but this is the power of the internet.
(I also happen to know a number of Chinese swears, because, you know, Firefly, and I have also used them when annoyed)
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Actually, he can post in proper English. I think he does it to make a point, and he's got a brass set for even trying these days. Trying to make people think diffrently now is rediculously hard.
I've always thought we could make our language much simpler by just removing lowercase letters as children spend about two years learning the diffrence and it makes it harder for immigrants, but I know people would never be able to expand their brains to learn that THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY YELLING. ALSO IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH EYE PROBLEMS TO READ, but unfortunately is harder for some dyslexics.
Get out of yer comfort zone every once in a while people. Grow a leetle bit.
Alos msot of yuo souhld eb albe to rade THIS, thanks to our brain, so you should be able to figure out Jo's post with only slight effort... Maybe put yourself in anothers brain-shoes for a spell.............
I love it when someone posts or does something that the majority of people think is pointless or downright stupid and than that argument is made. Open your minds, be open to new things, new ways of thinking.
It's not because people don't want to grow, or consider new ideas that things such as this are ridiculed. It is because folks do take a moment to think about it and realize very quickly that it is a bunch of bunk. Try something new, think outside the box, jump off that bridge...no wait of course that is not a good idea.
Yes it is hard to change people's minds, but there are also good and bad ways to go about it. I would have no problem having a conversation about changes to the spelling standard to English. So starting a thread about it, stating proposals you like and making a coherent case for those is a good way to do it. Coming in to thread, writing in a piss poor manor and trying to link what you are doing to people being idiots is not.
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If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?
Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?
Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.
And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.
Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.
I liked to help the people in spanish countries orient themselves in games. I don't speak more than a little bit of spanish, but this is the power of the internet.
(I also happen to know a number of Chinese swears, because, you know, Firefly, and I have also used them when annoyed)
That's all well and good - but you seem to be deliberately missing the point.
Are you lazy for not knowing more Spanish? If you spout a bunch of Chinese curses, and people don't get them, is it becasue they're ignorant?
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.
Uh... what? English is a Germanic language, and they have a LOT in common...
http://www.pauljoycegerman.co.uk/abinitio/whygerm13.html
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That's all well and good - but you seem to be deliberately missing the point.
Are you lazy for not knowing more Spanish? If you spout a bunch of Chinese curses, and people don't get them, is it becasue they're ignorant?
You seem to have mistaken my comment for an argument. I'm mostly just posting random things to the thread now where I find it appropriate or entertaining.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?
Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?
Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.
Aber werden Sie tun, dass jedes Mal, wenn ich etwas schreiben? Werden Sie weitermachen, um die Menge an Arbeit?
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And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
Das stimmt nicht. Englisch ist eine germanische Sprache.
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If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.
And his.
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Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.
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I can haz lolcatz?
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*facepalm...Maybe I should alter that post...That form of leaning is worth it when people aren't using it just to be an ass and make me spend my entire afternoon on it. I refuse your bait.
And Story... Really?? That is what you choose to argue?? Then you have missed the point entirely. Sad attempt at deflection. MOST of us can read Jo's post, but choose not to try. MOST of us cannot read German. That is the diffrence.
For Byte, who made it simple...
Aa' i' sul nora lanne'lle!
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I didn't miss the point, I just find it ridiculous.
Shall I make up a new coded language, and call you lazy for not deciphering it?
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You're welcome and fair winds.
Also, I would like to discuss a pressing issue. I would like my avatar to be a GOLDFISH, with all the implied intelligence and focus, so that when you all look at my posts, you associate my personality with a goldfish. The words herp or derp may be prominently displayed.
I have found numerous such pictures, and I know how to upload them to be my avatar, but I find I am too lazy to bother. So I request instead of Zoe, you all simply imagine there to be a goldfish there.
Thank you, that is all I have to say about that.
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*facepalm...Maybe I should alter that post...That form of leaning is worth it when people aren't using it just to be an ass and make me spend my entire afternoon on it. I refuse your bait.
And Story... Really?? That is what you choose to argue?? Then you have missed the point entirely. Sad attempt at deflection. MOST of us can read Jo's post, but choose not to try. MOST of us cannot read German. That is the diffrence.
For Byte, who made it simple...
Aa' i' sul nora lanne'lle!
And as Byte pointed out (and I was sure she wouldn't be the only one to figure it out, but she's proven herself quite clever; penny for the little lady!), any one of us could take foreign-language posts, plug them into a translator program, read them, write a response, and translate that to respond.
But MOST of us choose not to try, don't we?
Does that make MOST of us lazy?
Language evolves. I get that; I really do. But you can't FORCE its evolution by just trying to jam it in people's faces. A generation ago, if I said I had a 1080p 1920-pixel HDMI HDTV, even A/V geeks wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about. Now a non-A/V geek like me knows what those things mean. They have become common, and through commonality gained everyday use.
A decade ago nobody would have known what the hell you were on about if you said you "tweeted" them. Language changes, but at its own pace.
Most of us use words now that we didn't know ten or more years ago. But we knew MOST of the words we use every day, and have added a few new ones. If you try to change the entire language overnight, you'll be met with a huge pushback, and you'll fail, and you'll accomplish nothing. If you start peppering your posts with a word here or there in newspeak, you'll make progress, because those words may catch on and become common.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You're welcome and fair winds.
Also, I would like to discuss a pressing issue. I would like my avatar to be a GOLDFISH, with all the implied intelligence and focus, so that when you all look at my posts, you associate my personality with a goldfish. The words herp or derp may be prominently displayed.
I have found numerous such pictures, and I know how to upload them to be my avatar, but I find I am too lazy to bother. So I request instead of Zoe, you all simply imagine there to be a goldfish there.
Thank you, that is all I have to say about that.
I choose to imagine a gnat on meth.
ETA: That's not intended as an insult, as in "You're no better than a gnat!" - it's meant to indicate a very, very, very short attention span, which you've alluded to in the past.
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I wouldn't have minded if it was.
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I didn't miss the point, I just find it ridiculous.
Shall I make up a new coded language, and call you lazy for not deciphering it?
It's not a new coded language, he just spells things like they sound. Wow, what a brain scratcher!!!!If anything, English is much harder. Let me make another analogy (btw, you should try to make one that is actually relatable and not inflated if you want to be taken seriously.)
If my ten yr old can read his posts with very little explanation and you can't, then you must be less intelligent than my ten year old...
Oh, snap.
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I didn't miss the point, I just find it ridiculous.
Shall I make up a new coded language, and call you lazy for not deciphering it?
It's not a new coded language, he just spells things like they sound. Wow, what a brain scratcher!!!!If anything, English is much harder. Let me make another analogy (btw, you should try to make one that is actually relatable and not inflated if you want to be taken seriously.)
If my ten yr old can read his posts with very little explanation and you can't, then you must be less intelligent than my ten year old...
Oh, snap.
Or your kid could be special.
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:) Good wun Byte!
I know its irritating, everybody. Sorry, but the revolution against institutionalized stupidity haz to start sumwhere. Just read at least the 1st 4 pajez at nooalf.com. If you believe you hav the ability to participate in a real debate, you need to know wut youre oppozing.
Back on topic, gorrramit!
The debates and the poll trendz afterward expoze the truth. People believe wut they want to be true. To hell with facts and lojik!
Debate #1. Romney lied hiz ass off and did more flipflops than a fish in a row boat. But did the GoPs rize up in anger against hiz betrayal uv all the pozitionz he took to get their nomination? nope. not a peep. Insted he gets a huge boost based purely on style.
VP debate. The GoPs were expecting their oft proclaimed 'intellectual leader uv the Republican Party' to make poor old uncle Joe look like a fool. But Ryan got beat down like a punk and hiz policyz shown to be ill concieved crap and fantasy arithmatic. The reaction frum the Fox eko chamber: Biden wuz laffing like he wuz on drugz! He wuz disrespectful! The moderator wuz on their side!
Debate #2. It showz how well the GoP and its media propaganda machine hav isolated everybody, including Romney himself. He got up in frunt uv 65 million people without knowing the facts. He wuz so confident that he had a checkmate with the BenGazi terrorist thing that he coudnt rezist stepping into that pile uv poop and jamming the boot into hiz mouth for the third time. Seriously. You woud think sumwun in hiz campane, especially Ann and hiz family, woud hav slapped him silly the 2nd time and told him DONT GO THERE AGAIN!"
The entire exchange wuz an instant classic in the history uv prezidential debates on par with the great boxing matchez frum the likes uv Mike Tyson, George Forman, etc., a devastating knockout that shoud hav ended Romneyz campane in all practicality. nope. A minimal uptic in Obamaz poll numberz.
Debate #3. Romney mainly refrazed everything Obama sed. Again, the lojikl reaction frum the rite woud be howlz uv betrayal. Didnt happen. Pollz still showing a close race.
Humanz hav a bad habit uv cementing thingz into their brainz. Wutever fallz in first gets bilt into a castle, and no matter how weak it iz, they defend it against anything new that showz up that contradicts it. The GoP clown show thats been going on since Obama got elected iz just another glaring example uv this.
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It's not a new coded language, he just spells things like they sound. Wow, what a brain scratcher!!!!If anything, English is much harder.
A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling
For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later.
Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all.
Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.
Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x — bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez — tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
--Mark Twain
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Or your kid could be special.
Yes. Yes she is...
And for what it's worth, I never bothered to actually read his pages. I think you all know if it can't be said succinctly in two paragraphs, I don't bother. But I got the gist and that was enough for me.
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:) Good wun Byte!
I know its irritating, everybody. Sorry, but the revolution against institutionalized stupidity haz to start sumwhere. Just read at least the 1st 4 pajez at nooalf.com. If you believe you hav the ability to participate in a real debate, you need to know wut youre oppozing.
Okay, new thread here...
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Originally posted by Storymark:
A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling
For example, in Year 1..... Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
--Mark Twain
Not bad! Did Twain really rite that??
I spent about 5 yirz in the Saundspel spelling reform forum and thout I'd seen everything frum the well known reform proponents.
Thanks for the new topic, Nickerson
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One big impact of spelling reform: It would make
all our existing literature unintelligible.
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:) Good wun Byte!
I know its irritating, everybody. Sorry, but the revolution against institutionalized stupidity haz to start sumwhere. Just read at least the 1st 4 pajez at nooalf.com. If you believe you hav the ability to participate in a real debate, you need to know wut youre oppozing.
I understand the sentiment, but I dont think introducing new stupidity is going to help. Making communication *more* difficult is the opposite of helping.
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It's not because people don't want to grow, or consider new ideas that things such as this are ridiculed. It is because folks do take a moment to think about it and realize very quickly that it is a bunch of bunk. Try something new, think outside the box, jump off that bridge...no wait of course that is not a good idea.
Yes it is hard to change people's minds, but there are also good and bad ways to go about it. I would have no problem having a conversation about changes to the spelling standard to English. So starting a thread about it, stating proposals you like and making a coherent case for those is a good way to do it. Coming in to thread, writing in a piss poor manor and trying to link what you are doing to people being idiots is not.Quote:
you can't FORCE its evolution by just trying to jam it in people's faces....
If you try to change the entire language overnight, you'll be met with a huge pushback, and you'll fail, and you'll accomplish nothing.
I was easily able to read Jo's post before last (and pretty much agreed with it, too). I have no problem with that, and I use things like 'cuz and ya myself. But to suddenly introduce an entirely new way of writing which takes me time to decipher turns me off. This is a "conversation"--not as fast as chat, but nonetheless read and responded to faster than writing a term paper. If I wanted to spend extra time deciphering something, I wouldn't have much interest in being here. Has nothing to do with "lazy", has to do with the fact that I've got a life, I allocate X number of hours here and then do other things. Why would I start trying to learn and decipher a new language just to have a conversation, or even a debate?
If Jo could INTERSPERSE his posts with his version of English, that wouldn't bother me. It's trying to work my way through entire paragraphs of nothing else that just makes me scroll past the post.
I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication, since we can't see body language, facial expression and can't hear vocal inflection; I see no particular reason to complicate it further. That's just me.
I also still do not understand that numerical thing at all, but don't bother explaining it, I'm not particularly interested. That's not a dig at anyone, just a time saver for anyone who might want to further try to explain it.
None of this language stuff has anything to do with the initial post and title...while virtually everything gets thread jacked eventually, and this is a far more civil way to thread jack it, I'd rather return to the topic at hand. JMHO.
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I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication, since we can't see body language, facial expression and can't hear vocal inflection; I see no particular reason to complicate it further. That's just me.
Exactly!
Me, too.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication
So bitch everyone into compliance with your ideals of communication, or try to adapt a bit, since there ARE so many pitfalls? Don't talk to teens or ebonics people because they aren't worth it? My kid can't tell the difference between a "b" and a "d" (and may never)... soo, I guess I shouldn't let her on the internets because she isn't perfect?? If she said it was her dirthday would you narcissticly flog her about it every year, or try to adapt?? Been talking to River in chat for a year and being Australian, I guess every day when she says "ARVO" I should yell at her and tell her to speak English??
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So one more pitfall would improve things? Oh, wait, I guess it's "So bitch everyone into compliance with YOUR ideals of communication..."
So bitch everyone into compliance with your ideals of communication, or try to adapt a bit, since there ARE so many pitfalls?
Yup. We should all shut up and not offer our opinions, obviously. Otherwise we're "bitching everyone"...that's as in "telling them what to do"? I wasn't aware expresing an opinion was forcing others to do anything...huh, I must have missed something along the way.
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I'm not forcing anyone into anything.
As well, I'm not letting someone force ME into something.
He - and your daughter - can communicate in any way they'd like to.
I am free to ignore them if they fail to make themselves understood.
If I want to make myself understood to someone else, it's incumbent upon ME to make sure they understand, not on me to call them a dumbass if they don't understand me. If they do not understand me, it's my failure to communicate effectively that I blame. If I do not understand them, it's a failing on their part to communicate effectively.
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I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication
So bitch everyone into compliance with your ideals of communication, or try to adapt a bit, since there ARE so many pitfalls?
Im discussing language. Expressing my opinion, just as you have yours. And now you're the one bitching about everyone else needing to comply with one person's choice. Have you NO understanding of irony...?
Grow up and deal.
I also didn't demand they comply - you keep inventing things, and it doesn't reflect well on you. I merely said if they choose to continue to write like that, I choose not to read those posts.
If that bothers you - that's your damned problem, not mine.
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Don't talk to teens
A fallacious bullshit argument, as spelling is irrelevant to speech. But, as a teacher - I do expect kids to write correctly.
Its irresponsible to do otherwise. The job market isn't interested in someone expressing their individuality through incomprehensible spelling.
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or ebonics people
No one around he speaks it, sorry.
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because they aren't worth it?
Now you're just being a ass.
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My kid can't tell the difference between a "b" and a "d" (and may never)... soo, I guess I shouldn't let her on the internets because she isn't perfect?? If she said it was her dirthday would you narcissticly flog her about it every year, or try to adapt??
I think its more reasonable (and responsible, see above) to try and help your daughter adapt to the world (as many people have done before her) than demand the world to adapt to her.
ANd thats a bullshit argument anyway - the person in question is not writing like that because they cannot write otherwise - they have CHOSEN to write like that. This is clearly established, so stop being disengenouse.
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There is no point arguing with you. Your arguments make no logical sense. You respond to each line but you completely miss the point of the encompassing argument.
She physically CANNOT adapt, so one of you must in order to communicate or co-exist. Personally, I will now tell her to avoid morons hell bent on "fixing her" for their own comfort... Problem solved.
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Wish, you've gone off the deep end. He clearly wrote: "the person in question is not writing like that because they cannot write otherwise - they have CHOSEN to write like that." He also wrote "to try and HELP your daughter adapt..." In other words, do whatever you can to assist her; at no point was he inferring (I'm guessing) that you COULD "fix" her, only that it's a good idea to do what you can to HELP; and his argument that this person is doing it by CHOICE shows he understands perfectly about your daughter's situation. Nobody is making fun of it, we (I believe) have the utmost respect for your situation and your bravery in dealing with it. Either you're upset or you're deliberately misunderstanding.
His, my and Mike's "arguments" (you won't even TRY "opinions"??) make perfect sense, and speak directly to the debate at hand. The question, as I see it, was whether to "adapt" to each individual's choice of writing style, or we're...whatever you've called us. THAT is the illogical argument; adapting is fine, but to ask (and I think what you've done is somewhat more itense than "ask", personally) a group of people communicating in one language to pay attention to someone who comes in suddenly and starts talking in a variation of that language is what's not logical. None of us have (to the best of my reading skills) TOLD this person he MUST adapt to our way, we have expressed our opinions (some more forcefully than others). We have the right to our opinions, just as you and the newcomer do--neither is right or wrong, just different.
I get the feeling you may have lost just a bit of perspective, or your emotions may have gotten wrapped up in the discussion. Whatever your reasons, for me at least this hasn't been an "argument" but merely a conversation, and I kinda mind being called a "moron" (certainly you're lumping me with same, given I've expressed almost exactly the same things in the last few posts as Mark has).
I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this matter, but I'd appreciate it if you'd address people specifically if you're going to call them names. I also seriously doubt Mark, AS A TEACHER, is a moron. I know our educational system is in terrible condition, but I don't think they deliberately hire morons. I note for the record that Mal4, also I believe a teacher (?) feels somewhat the same as we do.
Have a nice day (well, yeah, that was said snidely--your rather obvious anger and lashing out triggers frustration).
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
There is no point arguing with you. Your arguments make no logical sense. You respond to each line but you completely miss the point of the encompassing argument.
She physically CANNOT adapt, so one of you must in order to communicate or co-exist. Personally, I will now tell her to avoid morons hell bent on "fixing her" for their own comfort... Problem solved.
When I meet someone like your daughter who CANNOT change or adapt, then I will do what I can to communicate with them in whatever way I can. I can make that choice.
The newspeak guy here is not someone who CANNOT change or adapt, though. He has actively CHOSEN not to. I have actively CHOSEN not to change or adapt my own communication methods to serve his choices.
But yes, you definitely should tell her to avoid morons bent on fixing her for their own good. That's good advice no matter who you are!
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It woud be nice if everywun woud go to the topic M52 started for debating Nooalf, but thats the nature uv forumz; thingz digress and people comment on wut interests them. Wudevr!
Anyway, there are sum excellent comments here. I wish the forum structure wuz better. Properly replying to each person iz a hassle here!
About the 'choose to not read bad spelling' comments:
Suppoze you had no choice. Suppoze it wuz 10x worse than the problem you hav with my nonstandard spelling.
Thats the reality for dyslexics and otherz who hav sum difference in perception or visual info processing. They dont even get a fair start in kindergarten and fall behind every year after untill they finally adapt to our goofed up excuse for an orthografy. Often they fail, ending up in a lifetime uv menial jobz no matter wut their real potential wuz. And you may know that a hi percentaj uv creativ geniusez are dyslexic.
And its not that this nonsystem we hav iz helping society in general. Its an unneccessarry burden on everybody from the minit they start to learn it till the last thing they rite wether they realize it or not.
About teachers: You uv all people shoud know wut a waste this iz. In countryz with sensibly spelled languagez, such az Italy, Korea and Bosnia, kidz learn to read and rite in a few months IF they dont alredy know wen they get to skool! Not 3 yearz. Not a 17% failure rate. Therez no multibillion dollar market for literacy training products, tutorz and skoolz. Dyslexics usually never even find out that they have the condition!
The bottom line iz that lojik works better than kaos. We dont need to keep foisting this mess on generation after generation to prove that. Thoze who are alredy literate dont feel a need for improvement, so they dont need to change. But they can at least give the next generation the choice.
I'll paste this into the Nooalf debate also. Make it eazier to comment on it and get this wun back on topic
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