Who are the Criminals Here?

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ANTHONYT

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:22 PM

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-theives-free-victim-arrested-txt,0,23158
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Hello,

Does anyone have additional information on this news story? I can barely wrap my brain around the wrongness of it.

--Anthony

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WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:25 PM

Since when did we start living in Britain?

Welcome to the slippery slope of socialism.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:39 PM

There must be a law in CO against murdering someone with a gun - so few freedoms left.

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WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:44 PM

Murdering someone with a gun.... wow. You didn't read the article at all, did you?

Man protecting himself, and his property, shoots at thieves.

The thieves will not be prosecuted, but he will for the temerity to try and protect himself/property.

If this were me... whooboy. I would about to be rich. I would sue the hell out of the state, and the police for this one.

You know whats a stupid law? Prosecuters cannot be sued, or put on trial, for bringing foolish charges/cases against citizens.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Murdering someone with a gun.... wow. You didn't read the article at all, did you?

Man protecting himself, and his property, shoots at thieves.

I read it, even the second paragraph:

"82-year-old Robert Wallace said in February that he looked out his window and saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their pickup. He yelled at them to stop, but they sped away, stealing his trailer. He told police he fired two shots at the pickup."

Big man protecting himself as they sped away like that.

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WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:03 PM

Right Piz,

So by your logic, if one of these scumbags was raping your daughter/wife/sister, you shouldn't shoot them.

After all, its not like they are killing them, right?

Or, if someone is stealing your car, which you worked long, overtime hours, to be able to buy... which the insurance will not replace, and which will then cause you to loose your job because you can't get to work on time... nope. Don't shoot them, dont shoot at them. Especially if they are already running away.

Way to be a victim and allow these bastards to continue to victimize others.

Good job.

ANTHONYT

Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:05 PM

Hello,

I think there is a clear disparity here, with the gentlemen who were committing felony theft thus far not charged with a crime, while the gentleman who tried to stop them is facing death in prison.

Yet oddly when a police officer shoots a bystander while trying to stop a felonious action, it is the criminal who is charged with the death.

I do not advocate shooting at fleeing suspects unless they are likely to commit violence, but I think the greater sin here was on the part of the thieves. It saddens me that charges were so quick to be brought upon the victim of this theft, and so slow to be brought against the criminals who instigated this affair.

--Anthony

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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:18 PM

This is how it is in most states. Only a few recognize property rights as justification for using deadly force. In this case, however, I do not think firing a gun is a legitimate response to a vehicle theft. In Florida when you take a concealed weapons permit class, they teach you, they drive it into your skull that you never use deadly force unless confronted with deadly force. I guess the problem with that lies in not always knowing how things are going to go while a crime is being committed.

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:20 PM

Castle Doctrine.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:23 PM

Quote:
I read it, even the second paragraph:

"82-year-old Robert Wallace said in February that he looked out his window and saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their pickup. He yelled at them to stop, but they sped away, stealing his trailer. He told police he fired two shots at the pickup."

Big man protecting himself as they sped away like that.

...What?

I mean, okay, it's not so great that the victim was apparently shooting to kill, if he was trying to stop the theft, a better target is the wheels of the pickup.

But, he didn't kill, and this was defense of property. "Big man?" Your statements are beyond my frame of reference. He was well within his rights to attempt a citizen's arrest because grand theft auto is a felony, and use of force is validated in a citizen's arrest.

What we're getting into here is quibbling over strict liability, for damage caused by that use of force. As a citizen, he doesn't have the same privileges as police in regards to strict liability (IMO, a bunch of bullcrap). But technically, this should be a civil case, not a criminal case, because the man wasn't culpable, so this isn't going to fly. You'll see. Though he might end up paying the hospital bill for the thieves, depending on if they have good representation (insane, I know, but a likely outcome).

Amazing shot, though, for an 82 year old. Gunshot wound to the FACE in a car speeding away and the guy is still alive. Wow.

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