3 ways to kill a sequel/reboot

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 20:50
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OPPYH

Sunday, February 7, 2010 7:15 PM

3. Introduce offspring. Shia Lebouf in Indy 4. Pointless. Ruined the film for me. Superman's son in Superman returns...stupid. What the hell were the writers thinking? The introduction of offspring can suck the life out of a film.

2. Clueless director. Michael Bay in Transformers 2. Apparently there was a decent story in there(according to the screenwriters). Michael Bay tampered, and fiddled with it. In the end we got a pile of garbage so huge that Michael Bay was pleased. The man just loves making crap. Uwe Boll would have done better. Much better.

1. Multitasking/studio tampering. Ok, here I'm singling out the Spiderman franchise(as it was). The first one..pretty good, the second one...awesome. The third Sam wants Sandman to be the villain[STUDIO STEPS IN] "we hear that Venom is pretty cool throw him in too". Sam "I don't want that" [STUDIO BRASS] "Do it".

The end result is the death of a perfectly good series(cast, and director). Spidey gets a reboot because Sam's reluctance(bad memories of the third movie) to make a deadline. Shame.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, February 7, 2010 7:25 PM

I liked Indy 4 & Spidey 3. Yeah, they both coulda been better, but whatca gonna do?
I agree with ya for the most part, though.

The laughing Chrisisall

OPPYH

Sunday, February 7, 2010 7:51 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I liked Indy 4 & Spidey 3. Yeah, they both coulda been better, but whatca gonna do?
I agree with ya for the most part, though.

I'm getting to the point of Spidey 3 being "OK", but it could have been so much better.

As far as Indy 4, well in my opinion Indiana Jones is the coolest character in cinema...period. Funny, smart, and tough. My standards were way, way too high for the fourth film. Of course I was disappointed.

DEWRASTLER

Sunday, February 7, 2010 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

As far as Indy 4, well in my opinion Indiana Jones is the coolest character in cinema...period. Funny, smart, and tough. My standards were way, way too high for the fourth film. Of course I was disappointed.

For me it wasn't the introduction of Indy's kid that ruined Indy 4, it was the whole survive the nuclear blast in a refrigerator scene. And the worst part was that it added nothing to the story. Remove that ridiculous scene and the movie still works, so why have it?

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
My standards were way, way too high for the fourth film. Of course I was disappointed.

I heard it sucked, so I did a cautious blind-buy, & ended up liking it easily as much as Mummy Returns.

The laughing Chrisisall

CYBERSNARK

Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Apparently there was a decent story in there(according to the screenwriters). Michael Bay tampered, and fiddled with it.

NITPICK: Th'other way around, actually.

Michael Bay wrote the script himself during the Writers' Strike (demonstrating how much respect he has for us pencil-pushers

). By the time the Strike was resolved, the script was pretty much locked and all Kurtzman & Orci could do was to tweak the dialogue a bit.

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KWICKO

Monday, February 8, 2010 2:16 AM

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2. Clueless director. Michael Bay in Transformers 2. Apparently there was a decent story in there(according to the screenwriters). Michael Bay tampered, and fiddled with it. In the end we got a pile of garbage so huge that Michael Bay was pleased. The man just loves making crap. Uwe Boll would have done better. Much better.

I thought "Uwe Boll" was German for "Michael Bay".

CHRISISALL

Monday, February 8, 2010 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I thought "Uwe Boll" was German for "Michael Bay".

Isn't it?

The laughing Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Monday, February 8, 2010 3:42 AM

Originally posted by OPPYH:

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3. Introduce offspring. Shia Lebouf in Indy 4. Pointless. Ruined the film for me. Superman's son in Superman returns...stupid. What the hell were the writers thinking? The introduction of offspring can suck the life out of a film.

Not sure I agree with you on this. Godfather part 2 was all about the offspring :D Ok,Ok not the same thing... However I think if a script is good enough things like offspring showing up shouldn't be a problem. It's just when things are contrived that problems arise. (And all directors are prone to this. Look at Gangs of New York. The relationship between DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz is so dreadfully contrived it simply jarred with the narrative flow). Although I don't have a problem with Shia LeBeouf in the Indian Jones and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I thought he was great. He's just an easy target.

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2. Clueless director. Michael Bay in Transformers 2. Apparently there was a decent story in there(according to the screenwriters). Michael Bay tampered, and fiddled with it. In the end we got a pile of garbage so huge that Michael Bay was pleased. The man just loves making crap. Uwe Boll would have done better. Much better.

Well I won't argue too much with you on your thoughts about Michael Bay - but the guy did deliver with the first Transformers so you can kind of understand why the studio would give him more control. Bare in mind he delivered Transformers under budget and ahead of schedule. These are two things studios love about a director, and when that directors effort goes on to make a shed load of money it's no wonder they asked him to repeat the thing, and all in the wake of a writers strike. However you are correct. This a good film does not make....

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1. Multitasking/studio tampering. Ok, here I'm singling out the Spiderman franchise(as it was). The first one..pretty good, the second one...awesome. The third Sam wants Sandman to be the villain[STUDIO STEPS IN] "we hear that Venom is pretty cool throw him in too". Sam "I don't want that" [STUDIO BRASS] "Do it".

I'm not a fan of the Spidey films. They're basically the same thing through-out. I actually found it offensive that they kept revisiting Uncle Ben's death and spitting out yet another villain responsible for his murder. It was lazy writing to the extreme. The first one was acceptable. Willem DeFoe was perfect and the genesis of Spidey was brilliant. But thereafter. Nope!

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The end result is the death of a perfectly good series(cast, and director). Spidey gets a reboot because Sam's reluctance(bad memories of the third movie) to make a deadline. Shame.

Yes it is a pity. Sam Raimi is a class act - but really these kinds of directors should just dip there toe into the corporate animal that is hollywodd and the whole studio system and then move on. I think this will be better for him in the long run. He's best making rogue movies like Evil Dead and Crimewave. Edgey contrary work is best when it flies opposed to the mainstream.

CORNCOBB

Monday, February 8, 2010 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

I'm not a fan of the Spidey films. They're basically the same thing through-out. I actually found it offensive that they kept revisiting Uncle Ben's death and spitting out yet another villain responsible for his murder. It was lazy writing to the extreme. The first one was acceptable. Willem DeFoe was perfect and the genesis of Spidey was brilliant. But thereafter. Nope!

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I think Spider-man 3 is a rare example of a film where the director should have listened to the studio. The Sandman plot was epic fail throughout. So was the Harry Osborne plot. The Venom storyline might've actually worked, except Raimi practically sabotaged it. Seems like he was so annoyed with having to use the Black Costume/Venom that he decided to rebel by treating it as a bad joke. Hence, rubbishness ensues. Really unprofessional.

Spider-man 2 was just the same thing over and over again. Character A discovers spideys secret identity, character B discovers spidey's secret identity, Extras A through J discover spidey's secret identity... etc. Dreadful.

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